baby doll face??
 

I've noticed with all the photos that I've been looking at of the Yorkies..some tend to have a shorter snout (I've read that this trait is called a "baby doll face") If I do decide on the Yorkie as the breed that I will get, I would deffinately want one with a shorter snout. is this hard to come across?..do certain breeders breed for this trait? in other words, will I have trouble finding a puppy with this trait, or is it common?...they just tend to keep that puppy look forever when they have the shorter snout :D

Baby doll faces aren't too hard to find, at least where I am. Bailey has the baby doll face which is desirable in the show ring, for the most part. Longer noses aren't as desirable. When/If you start looking for a yorkie, ask the breeder to see the parents and ask if the puppies will have the baby doll face. You can usually tell if the pup is going to have a longer nose by the age of 3 months. Good luck :thumbup:

i was completely backwords..... i thought it was the other way around (i ei the longer noses were better in the showring)

Well, I would like to know the difference also. Once, I heard that longer snouts/noses were a sign of inbreeding...Is this true... :confused:

Nose
 

If you look at the photos on websites of show dogs they have the longer nose

Yes I too, was told that the longer nose Yorkie were the ones on show. I haven't seen any in my neck of the wood in show with short nose, I myself like the looks of the baby face yorkies, I think they look like a little teddy bear. So why if anyone know, do they show the longer nose yorkies?

The quality of a show yorkie is not only based on the lenght of his nose . I have seen yorkies with longer nose than the baby face and they were splendids but at this show the judge have had a preferrence for shorter noses.That day , even if the coats were poor on the baby faces , they won .

I prefer a shorter to medium length snout. I have seen some with a really long snout and that just does not appeal to me. I guess it is just all in the eyes of the beholder! Speaking of eyes though, I am sure that you have all noticed that Yorkies seem to have so much expression in their eyes. I love , love, love the looks that Yorkies can give- such additude, inquisitivness, alertness! YORKIES ARE THE BEST! :yorkiesar

I think you are right, If you look at the AKC standard breed they show a longer nose, not real long but longer. I also like the Baby doll face It just makes them look so adorable. Kim Just got a new Puppy and it looks like a baby face, Now I want want. How adorable that baby is.

baby doll faces aren't that easy to find in my area. Most you will find will have a longer nose...teddy bear. And then, there's the wolfy face which is really long. I prefer the baby doll but like I said, they're hard to find. Mine have the medium snout which works just fine!

I think that the ones with the very small snouts have more trouble with their teeth than do the "regular" ones. I've always been lead to believe that the space between their eyes should be a good indication of how long their snout should be in porportion to their head...

yorkiegal- I have never heard that before, but it sounds reasonable. I have seen some dogs with a very short snout but with such wideset eyes (I mean really wideset). It does look a little strange. I have seen a website where they breed for a short snout and a lot of their dogs have almost a Pekingese look- really wideset and buldgy eyes! They still look cute, but in a different sort of way. :eek: :D

There are a group of breeders here in California that breed "for" the shorter nose extreme babydoll face. I don't think the "extreme babydoll face" typically does well in the show ring but the shorter snout can sometimes do well if you have a judge who likes it. The YTCA prohibits it's breeders from using the terms "babydoll", "teddybear" or "teacup" in their advertising. So, if you want to find that look it will usually not be with a YTCA breeder.

They can also go too "extreme" and get into that bulgy eyed pekinese look where the dogs can actually have breathing difficulties. The breeders are aware of this just like any good breeder who is breeding for a specific trait they will mix in some other dogs to avoid this.

I got Avalon from a breeder in Southern California who sort of started the trend here because she liked the look. There are now a lot of breeders with the look but they all have her dogs in their line somewhere.

Unless the puppy has an extremely short muzzle you would most likely NOT be able to tell if it is gonna have it as adult. Yorkies can reack back 4 or 5 generations to get their color, looks, temperment and body colors. The parents are not the sole contributors to the gene pool of a puppy. They carry genes from past generations
I have seen a few in the years I have been breeding that were abvious as young puppies. The length of the muzzle is NOT a sign of in-breeding. The Yorkies who come over from Europe and Ireland and such, almost always have the longer muzzle. They are probably what the standard was describing as it was first written..
I have not read the previous answers on this thread, but if YorkieRose has posted, her experience and knowledge is the most accurate, IMO.

I had a friend that got a longer snout yorkie at a discount because the snout was too long for a show dog. However, her vet told her that the longer snout yorkie is better because it will have less trouble with their eyes and breathing. Her first yorkie was one with a shorter snout and she did have more trouble with it's eyes then she's had with her current (longer snout) yorkie.

Is Brittany's of Brittie123 babies what you consider baby doll faced yorkies? I am so in aaawwwee with her Mia. Gus has a shorter snout, and he's a very good looking guy,, but Mia is a beautiful little girl. That little face is so darn adorable!!!

You are sooo right! I haven't raised but two litters so far and i've expierenced the amazing genes. My vet said they could go way back. I have a new litter now and i would never guarantee the size , color or length of their snout.

I can't understand the fascination with flat-face Yorkies. I thought a knew a lot about "baby doll faces", but I guess I don't.

It is certainly not everyone's "taste" but I just love them! They are so darn cute! The breeder I got Avalon from has been breeding for it for so long that she can almost guarantee the face. You can see it in all of her dogs and the dogs of the breeders that network with her. I know that there is always a chance they will change as they get older but with hers it would be rare because she has this face bred into her dogs for so many generations.

She also knows where to stop and where to bring in a long snouted dog so the dogs don't have the breathing difficulties. It is not easy to accomplish and she is very talented at breeding and knowing what dogs to put together to get a particular look. I am amazed by it all.

I can often tell by looking at puppies which ones are baby doll faced and which ones have the teddy-bear face, but I can't tell on the older dogs. Does someone have a picture of a baby-doll face yorkie as an older adult? Do they grow out of that look as they get older? Just curious.

If you want to see the babydoll faced yorkies as adults, just look at Teri's Sweet Pea (Bowwow Couture) and Brittany's Mia. Also Raven om Marysyorkies.com.

Here is a link to a website for a beeder with babydoll faced yorkies. There are some adults on the hpme page an throughout the site if you look.

Also you can go to Noblestar kennels and Starlights Yorkies.

http://www.epetitepuppy.com/

I couldn't put my finger on what it was that I didn't like about the extremely short snouted yorkies until I read this part of your post!

The eyes look like Marty Feldman eyes to me on most of those.

Its just not my cup of tea.

Lisa

Well, I looked at the HP too, because here in Europe we try to breed yorkies with short snouts, but what I saw there is really extreme and I don´t like it too. I had to realize what we call short is long compared to the baby doll faced yorkies. I think they don´t look like yorkies anymore they have a complete different expression with that short snouts. My girl has a short snout for Germany, but it´s much more longer than the ones of the baby doll faced. We try to breed it a little bit shorter because in Germany there are many dogs with very long snouts and the judges in Europe like the shorter one.

Wow...If I were a LONGTIME breeder - breeding yorkies - I'd want yorkies ...NOT a yorkie that looks like a Pekingese...I think all yorkies are beautiful just AS THEY ARE....why anyone would go extreme in a different direction just tells me it's a money issuse for something 'different' ....I'll take a traditional yorkie everytime.....

My "cup of tea" may not be your cup of tea but that's perfectly okay. Some like a long snout, some prefer a short one. I don't think it is about "money" at all, it is about personal taste and what you prefer. The breeder with the shorter snouted dogs would lose money based on the opinion of many people on this thread who don't like the "look" so it can't be about money. It's her personal preference and she breeds that way DESPITE some negative public opinion.

I have never seen two yorkies who looked the same and I don't know what a "traditional" yorkie is. I think that is part of the beauty of this breed. They ALL look different! Even within the "breed standard" if that is what you refer to as "traditional", there is a wide range and one day the longer snout is in favor, the next judge likes a shorter snout. One year they like "leggy" yorkies and the next season, it's short and cobby.

In my opinion, docking tails is "extreme" so we all have different ideas of what that means too.

The Biewer isn't "traditional" by any stretch and most yorkie fanciers would love to have one of them. I don't think money was what Mr. Biewer had in mind when he developed his dogs even though it turned out to be profitable. He received a LOT of criticim from "longtime" breeders. Just look at the variety on this board. Our own dogs all look different from each other and I think they are ALL BEAUTIFUL. :) JMHO

[QUOTE=Simmy84]Well, I looked at the HP too, because here in Europe we try to breed yorkies with short snouts, but what I saw there is really extreme and I don´t like it too.


Simmy what is the HP? I am confused, I have read and reread this post but I cannot figure out what you mean.

is there a difference between baby doll and teddy bear face? Is it the same? I must admit..I have seen some cute baby doll faces. I think when people think "traditional" they have a mental image of the standard, in other words what you see when you attend shows or look at AKC standard examples. I prefer that look because thats what attracted me to the breed, I love the elegant dainty look. But I'm one of those that loves the Biewer too! Would love to have one...maybe one day.

I like the baby doll face, the teddybear, short, medium, & long snout. All Yorkies are just adorable!

Well...I can't see how you don't know what 'traditional' looks are in a yorkie....but I wasn't looking to debate with my post either. I was just stating my own opinion....end of story - I didn't realize it would start something.