Ckc Vs. Akc
 

I own a 5 1/2 pound female yorkie who is akc registered. I have been researching/studying breeding and I have found a tiny male but he is ckc registered - I do not believe that is canadian kennel club.
I know absolutely nothing about ckc. So my question is if I bred this dog to my dog does it decrease the value of the puppies?? Does it really matter if it akc or ckc?
I appreciate your advice. thank you!

It does matter if they are CKC or AKC. AKC does not recognize CKC in the pups so they will be unregisterable. I found out the same info a year ago when I was looking for a male. CKC has no big restrictions on their breeding so you can run into a larger dog in the genes. Their dogs can be up to 15 lbs. Cross breeding is not regulated neither. That means that grandpa and granddaughter can breed. AKC toy yorkie should not be over 7 lbs,anything over that is not considered show quality, some AKC yorkies go up to 9-10lbs and are still considered AKC, anything over that and they are probably eating to much, or their is a larger pup some where in the line. The nice thing about AKC is that yo can go back in the lines and find out that kind of stuff. You would be better off getting AKC. Good Luck

IMO, AKC is the only way to go. I personally would never buy a CKC registered dog, and no one I know would either. I guess if you're just breeding for pet quality pups, it doesn't matter, but you gotta think about what people are going to want as well. Good luck :D

I guess that is why the puppy is so inexpensive.

I dont know what IMO means, please explain.


thanks all for your input.

Oops, sorry. IMO = In my opinion

WRONG----AKC recognizes the Canadian Kennel Club but not Contenental Kennel Club--both CKC. So a canadian would transfer but the other doesn't. AKC is superior. IMO. Easy pedigree searches. Don't except mixed breeds and don't register just anything. KNOW THIS THOUGH--registry does not gaurantee health or quality--that's your job......BUT I'd put my money on AKC before any other.

If someone sold you a pup under the pretense of AKC registerability and then only offered CKC registration, what would your reaction and/or recourse be?

Breeder claims that CKC does not devalue her pups.

the ckc doesn't depreciate the value where i live they all cost the same if they are akc or ckc....

I would return the pup. If that wasn't an option, I would find out if any legal action could be taken.

Returning isn't an option - he's been here since Christmas. I'm going to seek legal advice but don't know how much good that will do. I will be checking with the local authorities in her town to file a complaint and will possibly file a small claims suit.

Just to give info . . . she is on "referral" with AKC and isn't suspended yet. She is saying that AKC is too political and she is pulling out and going CKC. This stems from a pedigree issue that actually happened 2 years ago with a multi-siring or DNA issue and has nothing to do with my pup, however, because she went under referral before the date I purchased my pup, AKC will not register him. She provided me with a preprinted litter registration form for my AKC registration and it is being held in abeyance pending her inquiry. UGHHHH

I've sent a letter of remedy to the breeder and she has not responded.

I have to disagree with the size statement mentioned earlier. Ckc yorkies are no bigger then AKC yorkies. The smallest dog I own is CKC and the largest is AKC at 10 lbs. AKC registers dogs if they are inbred......they do not deny registry so that statement is not true either.
Truthfully registry hasnt effected me but Im not raising showdogs but I do try to improve lines. AKC is without a doubt a better registry but a couple of my nicer females are ckc only. Gorgeous silky coats, nice ears, very smart and smaller.
My advice to you is to get a AKC male though.

I went to an American breeder place to have one of my friends Yorkie girl bred to her Ch . My friend never have had a problem with the Canadian Kennel
Club for the registration of the puppies .

What is the Continental Kennel Club ?

http://www.continentalkennelclub.com/?404fromckcusa

Its a club which is not as strict and they will register mixed dogs, such as yorkiepoos, morkies, corkies etc.

As I had stated in my previous posting that is what I was told a year ago by a AKC representative. I was told that AKC would not register an CKC puppy,even though the parent was AKC and CKC registered. The breeders in this area don't want to deal with the political stuff AKC requires and all of the fees, so they have turned to CKC. The majority of the pups are larger than the AKC, that might also stem from they were not raised to be show. There are also large AKC, I never stated that there were not. Someone was asking what to buy I only told them what I have been told by AKC directly. As far as cross breeding goes I was also told that you can breed relatives that were further apart on the family tree, not dad-daughter,grandpa-granddaughter, but to breed cousins. This would reduce the risks of deformities. The thinner the blood relation the better off the line will be. I have personally seen what inbreeding close blood lines can do and it is horrible. I did not post to argue just as everyone has stated what they know, I have done likewise, it doesn't mean that anyone was wrong. THere is a difference in the two organizations, otherwise there wouldn't be so much concern over it.

What turns me off is their loophole that allows dogs over 6 months to be registered without proof of pedigree. Seems like it would be way too easy to have two witnesses and 3 photos to gain entry into the registry.

Since I was promised AKC, I don't like being lied to . . . maybe not an outright lie but the truth was definitely withheld. My pup is now almost 9 months old and we've had him for 3 months. Time to get closure on this issue for me.

Exactly what bothers me as well. My neighbors just registered their malti-poo with the CKC as a purebred Maltese so they can register any pups the dog has as purebred maltese. Talk about stupidity. :mad:

Im sorry Treats if you felt like I was trying to argue with you, that was not my intention.
It is very true AKC doesnt accept CKC registry. I must have misunderstood your earlier post. I thought you were saying CKC would register inbred pups and AKC wouldnt. Actually one of my ckc females not long ago was AKC in her background but the breeder went ckc with the pups. Again something to do with politics.
Its just really a shame those who are dishonest in breeding cast a shadow over the honest breeders no matter what club it is. Its the people who make the club.
Like Ive mentioned before, no matter what club you belong too, a disreputable breeder could easily doctor paper work. DNA in AKC isnt mandatory until litter 7. Thats alot of puppies going out!
Cartersmom, Im sorry the breeder was dishonest with you......I would be mad too....Did she know she was under referral when she gave you the dog? The reason I ask is she had the puppy registration, so AKC must have put a hold on the papers after she recieved them. I guess my question is the date she was put under referral, before your dogs pick up date or after?

Pinkmartini.......TURN YOUR NEIGHBORS in to the CKC....anyone who is pulling that needs not to be able to register a dog period.
ANyway MOJO good luck on your search for a nice male!!!

The litter was born 7/4/04 and the litter registration application paperwork for transfers she received from AKC was at the beginning of October. She didn't go under referral until a few weeks later. She was notified that during the inquiry she was not to tranfer ownership of any pup. Carter was purchased on Christmas Day. She had the registration application in hand to give to me. I never DREAMED that there would be a problem!

I would recommend that anytime someone is checking out a breeder for the possibility of purchasing one of their pups that you contact the AKC registration department and ask if the breeder is in good standing. That is something I didn't realize was available to me.

You learn volumes after purchasing your first yorkie.

My breeder, according to her own admission, is not going to comply with the AKC inquiry and is pulling out to go with CKC. I'm stuck in the middle!

Then she just lied.......SOunds like you have a good case for judgement in your favor to me, but this is based on judge judy........LOL........Hope its cleared up soon!

She has been communicating with someone else that I have an online friendship with -- sent 3 emails to her within a matter of hours yesterday but has yet to respond to my letter for remedy faxed to her on 3/22 or my followup by email yesterday.

I'm waiting for a return call from AKC's Case Management Dept right now so that I can see if she has contacted them since I last spoke to them on 3/22.

On 3/22, the breeder told me she was out of town yet she told my friend in email that she had family in for the whole week last week and they left her house on Easter Saturday!

Sounds like she is avoiding me.

I find it extreamly hard to have to put such faith and trust into an individual (breeder) with such an important situation of purchasing/adopting a Yorkie (or any pure breed dog)...

AKC or CKC or ABC (joke) can give healthy or unhealthy pups I am finding out. It all falls back onto TRUST!!

So if a breeder was AKC and changes to CKC shouldn't the health/dna tests/ etc guarantee stay the same? I am referring to the breeder Carter's Mom is talking about. She has AKC breeding stock and now is CKC due to her claim of politics. However, wouldn't the quality of pups remain if the breeder remains to take the same mental attitude of "keeping the Yorkie standard" high? And the contract/guarantee/quality/ etc remain right?
I am in a learning experience also with CKC at this time so am trying to hear all sides to this.

So I am just wondering is the UKC just as good as the AKC?

All of the dishonesty out there is what made my family start breeding Yorkies. My husband's grandmother DNA registered her male after his first litter, and they bought a female who's dad was DNA registered. I have one of her pups and I have bred her resently. There are few reputable breeders around here whether AKC or CKC, and it is sad to see such wrong doings. I had at first wanted show dogs, but then decided on just pets. I never have regretted it.

IMO, yes. UKC holds shows/dog events just as the AKC does. They both are pretty similiar.

Oh believe me, I already have. I am firmly of the belief that no mixed dog should be bred, period, especially a mixed dog being misled as a purebred :mad:

I understand UKC is an honorable, very old club, strict and I believe AKC accepts their registries. Dukie (my stud) his dad is AKC and UKC registered, Dukes mom wasnt UKC registered so Duke isnt registered with UKC. You dont see UKC registrations often in this country ......at least I havent.
Schatzie, you couldnt have said it better...Its trust and honesty which is so important.
CKC is really to lenient, makes it easier for dishonest people to be DISHONEST!
and I dont believe any kind of mixed breed should be eliglble for registration.
.......but some of my yorkies are ckc and I love em and they are nice babies and as far as I know purebred......they look it anyway........LMAO!

I would be angry too if I were lied to. In my area, CKC as well as AKC are the same price range. I have found much nicer pups ckc registered in my area though. I guess there is not as many people breeding around here anymore. 15 years ago, i bought a puppy which i would not have traded for anything but, she was supposed to be about 7 pounds at the biggest, her mom was 5 pounds and dad 3 pounds. Her pedigree had 6 generations of champions and she was AKC registered. She was 11 to 12 pounds full grown. so this AKC breeder had big dogs someplace in her line. I say if you want to show your dog get AKC only because they sponser the shows. other then that just make sure you know enough about the breed to see for yourself what you are getting and don't worry about the politics of it if it is going to just be your pet. I personally don't care what the registration is, I just want a sweet healthy yorkie. :aimeeyork

AKC all the way
 

My Vet. told me that anyone can go to the pound and pick out a dog that looks like a yorkie ( what could be a mixed breed of who know what ) take it to the Vet. The Vet is told that the dog is a yorkie and the Vet can then fill out papers stating that the dog is a yorkie and CKC will reg it as a yorkie. So if you want a pure Breed dog go AKC. Their standards may be more strict but IMO :) it it worth my money and peace of mind for a true prue breed dog. I am also not saying that some CKC dogs are not prue breeds but you never know with CKC. ;) :aimeeyork

Akc
 

Bottom line, it is the honesty of the breeder..many AKC pups are not purebred...but I still feel AKC is the lesser of many evils.

I think it depends on who is buying/deciding the value of the baby. If you wanted to show the dog, I've read AKC is the way to go. I know that I've seen CKC (Continental) registered dogs for very high prices. My Frankie is CKC-registered.