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Breeders what do you think? Please read all before responding :) Ok, this is not all about tinies!! I have a female Zaylee. She is 4 1/2 pounds and almost one year old. The stud I have chosen for her is 2.12 lbs. Now I know Gizmo (my stud that I dont want to use since he is 4.4 lbs) gained weight even after he turned 1...what do you think my luck is to get to the magic 5 lb number OR do you think with such a little male she would be ok? I am not planning on breeding until she is almost two, but just wanted your imputs..but please no ranting :cool: |
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I'd say good chance she may hit the 5 lb mark by the time you get ready to breed. They seem to fill out and put on alittle bit more weight by the time they hit 2 years. I'd think your male would be fine to use as long as his parents were not in the 6-7 lb range. I'd make sure your male or the other male you are thinking about using came out of smaller parents too. Your Vet will be the one to tell you if she is in good health and OK to breed. Good luck to you...Sherry |
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Hello. I would prefer going with your own stud who weighs 5lbs or so. Your female will probably fill out more like everyone is saying. It is true. I don't see why a 2.2lb male would interest you? Besides the fact that they would produce little pups and it would be easier for your girl, the littler does not mean the healthier. If you want to raise nice, average, standard, healthy yorkie pups, go with your own stud. That is just my opinion. Why do people always want to charge more for the 3lbs or less yorkies??? Thanks |
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I'd give her a little more time to mature and gain and breed to the 5 lb male before i would the 2 something male anyday. Good luck! I wish you and her the best! |
Have you had your female evaluated by a canine reproductive specialist to determine her overall suitability for breeding? It is not really the weight of the female that is key, it is the "frame" and pelvic capacity. I would find a vet who specializes in reproductive veterinary medicine and have a complete pre-mating evaluation done. :thumbup: |
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There is no magic number..many 5 pounders have no business being bred. Look at the frame and structure before the weight. I do so agree about the size of the stud..the weight of a stud is the least of my concerns just so he is not oversized. I would pick a quality 4 pound stud over a tinier stud anyday. There is this theory the stud must be smaller, the bitch must be 5 pounds and then all will be fine..no so. You have to go bitch by bitch. I hope that did not sound like a lecture..not meant to be. Good Luck to you. |
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Why NOT use a specialist who is the most qualified to conduct ALL pre-mating tests? If it were my female I would want only the best. There are very few vets imo who are qualified to FULLY evaluate a female for breeding purposes. There is a lot more to it than measuring the diameter of the pelvic region. That is only one factor. There are very few small breed vets period and not many trained or experienced in working with breeding dogs.....they are just few and far between and you may have to travel to have the evaluation done by a specialist, but it is well worth the extra effort and expense if you care about your girl. JMHO. |
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Maybe it's just our town but my vets have dealt with small breed dogs for years. Any testing that I have had to have done was done by the vet and not a "reproductive specialist". |
What SPECIFICALLY is it that makes a 'reproduction specialist' so much better than well seasoned vets? What SPECIFICALLY do they do that 'traditional vets' are apparently too stupid to figure out? |
Would you go to a general practitioner or an ob-gyn if you were considering getting pregnant? Again, I refer to this link for further study http://www.intl.elsevierhealth.com/e-books/pdf/974.pdf This is what a Pre-Mating Evaluation should consist of: Review of patients's complete medical and reproductive history Evaluation of patient's body weight and possible obesity or malnutrition concerns addressed Evaluation of pelvic capacity Review of vaccination history Detailed examination of genital system Screening for specific problems Bacterial investigation of the genital tract Cytological and hormonal appraisal Hemotological and biochemical appraisal Genetic counseling Evaluation of Pedigree for degree of Inbreeding Monitoring of approach of ovulation with aid of progesterone profile and vaginal smears. |
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Second, you have no REAL experience with this and can only answer the question by siting whatever you pull off the internet. Hopefully, some of the BREEDERS who have actually used one will be able to answer this question. I see this come up over and over and over and I would like to know, once and for all, from someone who has done this FIRST HAND, what the big deal is. |
:rolleyes: here we go again. ...I have a feeling lots of VETS and Breeders make pretty good teams......without any specialists involved...and Wendy did get some good answers from the breeders on here - |
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Reproductive Specialist..... Maybe Irene will see this thread and post to it.. She is the only person on this forum that I know uses a Reproductive Specialist and for that I give her a BIG pat on the back! I do not have a Reproductive Specialist in my area and in a perfect world if I was able I would drive the 3 1/2-4 hours one way to see Irene's.. But that is just not possible on a everyday basis.. But if there was ever an issue that my vet and the orthopedic specialist we go to could not answer, I would make the trip.. I am very confident in my vets and like I have said from time to time, a good breed and a wonderful vet go hand in hand! JMHO.. |
Are you guys serious? There is nothing wrong with suggesting a reproduction specialist. Those of you that don't use one should not get offended, be comfortable with the choices you make. To say disregard a specialist is silly. My regular vet happens to specialize in canine reproduction. Because I started with a RS I couldn't imagine not having one. Sorry, I don't believe for one minute that if a breeder had a vet that specialized in canine reproduction near them, they wouldn't use them. Unfortunately there are not many around. Vet's don't get offended. They know who to call when a matter arises that is out of their area of expertise. |
Irene~I did not mean it that way girl! I was just stating that I don't think it is absolutely neccessary if you have a vet that can perform the same research. It seems like alot of times they are portrayed as and absolute necessity, not a benefit if they are needed/available. ;) |
For the record....I never criticized anyone's advice. It was my suggestion that was criticized. (see post #13) I also believe that people will read and make up their own minds as to what advice they wish to follow. :thumbup: I believe Robbie has used one as well and there is at least one other breeder who uses one that I cannot remember the name of. You can certainly search the threads to see what Irene has said which is basically that she considers her canine reproductive specialist an irreplaceable part of her team and her breeding program. She wouldn't be a breeder w/o one is what I believe she has inferred. I respect that greatly and I respect those breeders who do not have one close by and have had to rely on a general vet that they trust. I just know that when we are giving advice to first time, inexperienced breeders, it just makes sense to refer them to the best possible resources doesn't it? :confused: |
Thanks Irene~ I was writing my response and posted before I saw that you had already posted. I hope you don't mind the way I summarized what I believed to be your thoughts on the use of a specialist.:) |
I have seen 6 pound females who should not be bred. Why? because they have 2-3 pounds of fat on a 3-4 pound size frame. A good mentor can judge very well, whether or not your bitch should be bred. How level is the topline? How wide is her pelvis? And we all know about the knees, hips, heart, head and skull, bite,, etc. I know this will thread will be another one of those that we will have to agree to disagree on and the discussions by experienced, long-time breeders, novices and pet owners who never bred will go on. Because one person uses a RS and most of us do not, will not change. My vet can handle every problem or situation I have with breeding and I will continue to use them. I guess it depends on how much confidence you have in your vet and your vet has in you to make the right choices before breeding your pet or breed-quality bitch..JMHO |
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Comon I think it is important to remember that these type of specialist are not that prevelent in Middle America- so to make that claim "that it is worth the effort and expense if you care about your girl"-- is insulting and should not have been said- it may not be possible for some people....all too often people think that because something is available to them it is everywhere- but I would be hard pressed to find a repo specialist around here....I imagine they exist but if I had a good vet and was comfortable with them, there is absolutely nothing wrong with using them. |
This is what a Pre-Mating Evaluation should consist of: Review of patients's complete medical and reproductive history This is an automatic by ANYONES VET! Evaluation of patient's body weight and possible obesity or malnutrition concerns addressed Vets have very accurate scales and knowledge of obesity or malnutrition Evaluation of pelvic capacity All vets do this with an xray and a diameter measuring tool Review of vaccination history All vets have the capibility to UNDERSTAND vaccination history Detailed examination of genital system Details of this nature are NOT necessary unless the bitch is symptomatic Screening for specific problems This is encompassed within all the previously gathered results. Bacterial investigation of the genital tract This is merely a swab test Cytological and hormonal appraisal This is blood draw and is usually sent out to a specialist for evaluation. Hemotological and biochemical appraisal This is blood panel testing and is very routine Genetic counseling This is a mentoring or knowledgable breeder issue plain and simple. A vet or specialist would have to be taught each bitches genetic background in her pedigree. DNA only exist for proof of parentage at this point. Evaluation of Pedigree for degree of Inbreeding Again a mentoring/Breeder question and most capable for evaluating not a vet or specialist. Monitoring of approach of ovulation with aid of progesterone profile and vaginal smears Blood draws once again by a vet and a specialist is consulted if needed. The best method in breeding as in anything, if there is a need for a specialist one is consulted. These evaluations listed above do not require a specialist to be preformed accurately. |
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