Blue Yorkies??
 

Can anyone point out a picture of someone with what you call a blue yorkie! I phoned a lady today and she has some blue yorkies being born in Feb. and I was wondering what the difference is from the black and tan ones. Hoping maybe to get another one at that time.

How does she know what color they are if they have not been born yet? :confused: Hmmm...I am assuming she means blue as in steel blue. :rolleyes:

Carol, are they AKC registered? I thought blue Yorks are not purebred. Might be wrong though.

I have pics of an adult blue born Yorkie. They might and probably are purebred but are often afflicted with unusual conditions. They are not desirable and any breeder who breeds for blues intentionally (and I don't know what colors you would breed to gether to get blue!) is irresonsible and I would run NOT walk from them as far as buying a puppy is concerned. There is a site on the puter that goes into detail about these blues. That breeder should read it..

Standard colors are Blue and Gold, Blue and Tan, Black and Gold, Black and Tan. I am assuming since they are as yet unborn, she was referring to blue and gold/tan....and not, heaven forbid, blue born pups. Rini is the resident expert on the health problems associated with the blue born pups, but I don't think it is possible to breed FOR this genetic anomaly and I would hope no one would ever try.

ooops forgot you asked for a pic
 

This is blue...sorry for the same old pic of Ber...it's just easy for me to find and post...

Yorkie pups should be black and tan at birth. Blue born are a problem and I would be surprised if they can reproduce. I would assume they are recessive gene meaning each parent would have to be a carrier for them to appear.
A blue born is usually a lot of health problems especially allergy/skin problems and often do not have longevity. Certainly not something desireable or that you would breed for.
For a puppy born black and tan, one can only wish that they will mature to a nice blue and tan/gold shaded furnishings but this cannot be predicted even at birth even from nice colour parents.

Now I am going to have to stick up for these misfits (blue born pups). I have had 2 one has a full coat is almost 3 to this date and has no health problems. The other had sparce hair but is healthy to this date also. Everyone seems to knock them down and I see them no different than the reds and choc everyone seems to want. I would like to see some results on just how ill and what they seem to have for health problems, for I have not seen much difference in these blues and choc and reds and black ones myself?
I think it depends on if they carry the gene that causes them to loose hair health problems etc.. They are no different than Chocolates and Reds that people are breeding with and should not. They may have a few more health problems which I have not seen but non the less a misfit just like the chocolates and reds.
None of these off colored pups should be used for breeding and I know alot that do! They are just putting them back in the gene pool.
Everyone seems to oo and ahh over these reds and chocolates but not the blues no different all, except maybe a few health problems and I am thinking maybe some of these reds and choc have health problems also just not talked about much.
Here is a pic of our blue baby and he was adorable. I thank god for our blue baby for he has given us alot of knowledge, and brought us together with a very special person we love and adore, so without him we would of never met this lady. I do belive we had him just to cross paths with this special lady I do not know what we would do without. Hugs and kissesd to ya Grandma Teddy.
I do know a person that has bred blue pups and they have no problem concieving and reproducing. And the litter produced all black pups, not a blue pup in the group.
So desirerable maybe not but none of the off colored pups should be desirerable. And there seems so be a outpoouring of people who want the odd colored pups.IMO

I was under the impression..blue pups are born blue..from the pic..you little guy looks like a black and tan pup. Do you have an adult pic?

Oh I think it's great that you feel comfortable to post...we just may have different views :)

What is the difference between a red and a chocolate? I just thought they were the same...

Cher's site www.goldenrayyorkies.com has a terrific info sheet on genetics and explains why the blue born are a different genetic problem than the red/chocolate. As far as I'm aware, the red/choc/parti etc...recessives do not link genetically to the alopecia tendency of the blue born which is just the tip of the iceberg for health issues.
Shame on the person who knowingly bred a blue born dog... People like that who knowingly perpetuate a problem just make me tired.

Sylvan I would have to agree on that one. For there is alot of them that breed these blue and reds. If you get one by mistake that is fine but to breed for it is very wrong. Here is a pic of what they look like when born and cooper as an adult which he lost his grey hair and it came in black and has a full coat. He is over 3 years old and has not been to the vet for anything but shots. My husband works with the guy we sold him too so I have been kept up to date on him. I still worry about them for future health risks and I do not own them.I have told them both you do not want them they come back to me.
We had one with no alopecia in him for he has a full coat and no health problems . The other was loosing his hair when he was 12 weeks old at 16 weeks he looked good but I could tell his coat was different more wirey I guess, but adorable non the less.
Cannot find the pic of cooper full grown but I have put it on here before I belive. If you go to blue pups a thread there will a pic of him I will keep looking I have it somewhere

Well, wouldn't there be a difference though (somewhat, in a sense). Correct me if I am wrong, but the blue born are more likely to have health issues, whereas it is not prevalent in the reds/chocs...at least, that is my understanding? (If I am wrong, please let me know.)
I am not saying I think it is either right or wrong to breed a non-standard color-that is a different topic altogether and not the point of this thread. What I am saying is that there is a difference in breeding for a non-standard, otherwise healthy dog like the red/choc and breeding w/ blue genes w/ higher health problems.

If you go too help my friend has blue pups you will find the pic of him as an adult he is really grey in the face and his ears are down they clipped them and they came right up. He is a very good boy I seen him about 4 months ago nice coat, very silky and soft, I checked him over well and he looked healthy and all to me and no vet visits except for shots. So all are not health ridden and have problems.

Now I would have to disagree you should not breed for anything but the correct color. To breed for reds and choc is not a good thing imo.
The choc do not have the greatest coats either they can be wirey also and not grow as long as the normal black coat ,reds I do not know that much about I know they can have sparce hair also and not grow as long, hair is thinner on the legs etc.
And with the blue it is if they carry the alopecia gene or not some do and some do not.
So for me I guess I would be too afraid that something would go wrong or have unhealthy pups with any of the 3 colors, and there is nothing worse than worring about pups will they be healthy etc. I would never take the chance my self. We had 2 blues and I never want to ever see another color besides black and brown in my whelpiing box.
So I would have to say those that are breeding for this color (red or choc or blue) do not care much about breeding the best yorkies they can. I feel they are messing up the gene pool and dont some people do that enough?
Let alone for us knowledgable breeders to do that!!!!!IMO

Again, I didn't say it was right or wrong to breed for Choc/Reds, because quite honestly, I really just don't have an opinion as to if it should or shouldn't be done. I was just trying to state that breeding for blues and red/choc is different in one aspect because the red/choc, to my knowledge, do not have the same health risks as the blues. But honestly, breeding for a choc/red would be no different that breeding for a parti-color, IMO, would it? Or for any out-of-standard trait, be it coat, size, weight...etc? Hmmm...I guess I am having a hard time putting into words what is in my head... :confused:

I understand what you mean, it is hard to put into words what you want to say sometimes.
IMO to breed two yorkies to get a choc red or blue is wrong.
I do not know that much about partis. They are beautiful dogs though I do know that.
But to breed anything other than the standard I feel is wrong.
And who knows these reds and choc may have health problems maybe they are just not followed as closely as the blues,Who are known to maybe have health problems. But would be no different for someone to breed two yorkies that are know to have LP or liver shunts for you get alot of health problems with yorkies that are standard . So I guess for me I would have to say there is not much more problems with the blues than any other yorkie with health problems or disorders. And if you look at all the posts on sick and ill etcc, there are MANY that have health problems and are the standard.
I just get really defensive over our blue babies they are yorkies non the less and just as loving as all the others. People talk like they are something really bad and I feel they are no different than any other. But I was their mommie and will defend the little misfits.
Now I have heard that the all blue pups can really have alot of health problems we had 3 colors on ours white, silver or (blue) and tan so I am thinking the more color you have the better.. I have never seen an all blue pup and ours where silver or bluish when they were born white on the chest and some on the feet then the tan or brown legs.

As ANY good mommy should! :)

True the blue born is not a puppy that is correct. Although I intend to go add to my site on that particular article when through here as I believe with the improvements we have made in the breed with texture, etc that not as many end up with the severe skin disorders but they are extremely sparse coated which tends to bring other issues into play and no one should breed on the disorder. I sure would not buy one and chance the inherit problems though.

Now looking at the picture above it didn't look blue, it looked black. But pictures can sure fool us.

They are born silver light blue and have tan markings, if you went back to the post my friend has 2 blue pups and look at the pic I posted he is black now full grown. (no 2) If you are talking about the pup pic when he was about 16 weeks his coat was turning a dark brown almost choc color, but still loosing his coat. Havent had a pic sent to me for a while from the owners so do not know what his coat is like right now. But just looking at him you could not really tell a difference in his coat unless you felt it and really looked him over.But o boy did I notice and worry about him, is he going to be healthy will have no hair etc.... The worry is too great to have anything but the standard!!!!!!!!And then you can have stuff with that also but not as great a risk.So if I breed only what should be bred then I do not have to listen in the back of my head my mind saying if I would of could of should of.
And to buy one I would !Make sure it is neuterd to not pass on the gene but what is wrong with that? They are loving normal acting yorkies just like yours.
Some have problems some do not.
And heaven forbid... They are not an abomination ( and I am not saying that is what you meant it is just how people sound when they talk about the blue pups I am just defending again), they are misfits anything that is not the normal is a misfit white ones red ones, choc ones, blue ones , regardless of health condition.

The pictures of the blue pups that I have seen are completely bluegrey, with no other color on them. These are the ones that lose the hair when they get older if I am right. They do not turn black or brown, or any other color when they grow, they stay the bluegrey.

Very interesting thread! :thumbup:

That is what I have heard also that is they are born all blue they will die soon or be in bad shapewhen they get older. Thank god ours had 3 colors on them and they turned out healthy so far.

Here is a picture I have of the bluegrey yorkie puppy. I don't know if it lived long or not.

Thanks for all your input on this, I learned a lot from all your comments but---I think this lady was meaning the colour of the coat, and trying to describe it to me. Cassie, I got from her and she was black and tan, but the mom and dad are different this time. I have seen them a year and half ago when I got Cassie but cannot remember just exactly what their coat looks like. From what I remamber it was tan or gold face with kinda of a silver body. I know she has had them for awhile. They are not going to be the black and tan ones. So when they change colour it will be more tan and silver blue. Thats what I thought?? I looked up Yorkie on the web and it said there is two distinct colours for yorkies????

On page 2 of the gallery link for my younguns and friends, you can see a pic of an adult Blue Born female. She was blue with a wee bit of tan on her face but you had to really look close to see it. By the time she was 8 weeks, I had taken her from her breeder to place as a rescue with a friend. I wanted to watch her grow. As a matter of fact, I contacted Cher for info. A long time breeder and show person told me about her article that had been printed years ago..
The girl's name is Jillian and she is one of the blue borns who had the skin problems..She lost her coat and had no hair on her ears. I had to slather her with sunscreen even on non-sunny days. Her back also was easily sunburned so a 30-45 sunscreen was used on her.. She had a problem with having enough calcium in her body and broke easily as a baby but as far as I know, has not had that problem as adult..Her coat was sparse, wiry, short and felt like 300 grade steel wool. The fringe or tan/gold hair grew normally and has to be clipped..
BTW, her dam and sire were both well-pedigreed and from a well-known show kennel. That is not to say they were at fault and they did not produce her in her kennel.
011011's puppy was very blue at birth and he did lose his blue coat somewhat.. AND, I love him to death even though I NEVER saw him in person, but I met the most wonderful little guy (he is my penpal that I mention on here) who is holding the puppy. He is my Tiger and I am his Granma Teddy.. I digress.
I have seen one other blue born or choc-it was really hard to tell. In some light he looked choc; others he looked blue..
Cher, I look forward to reading your article with its up-dates and I thank you for your expertise...

Thanks for that pic I have never seen one that was all blue. They look like weimers! Poor things to have to grow up with that.
I have seen a blue doberman in a pic.
Now RIni with Jillian was she their first litter out of the male and female or had they had a few litters before the blue came?

You can have a blue born weimers also. My mom had a weimer and is working on getting a new one and is friends with a lady that has show weimers. and these blue born weimers have similar problems to yorkies, they don't lose there hair, but they have a lot of health problems. However, the coloring is so intense that some breeders are actually trying to breed for this color in weimers too.

Tammy, it was a first mating between the parents. Both had been bred before to other partners. Jillian was a product of an out-studding and because the person arranging the stud service did not know pedigrees, she bred back into a line that has been known to throw blues when the right 2 dogs are bred. Not "right" but the dogs that produce that color are bred to each other..