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I think that if we take deposits for puppies/dogs and the deal does not go through for either reason the deposit should be refunded.. That is the reputable thing to do.. But I also do not think we should back out of placing a puppy that we took a deposit on.. Melanie |
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Of course, I don't know what I would do in the situation because I have not been faced with it yet, but I am just curious. I don't think people would take it as seriously if they knew they could change their mind at any time? |
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So, what repercussions should come to those buyers that don't hold up to their end of the deal? These buyers that pay a deposit, decide for whatever reason that they don't want the dog, demand their money back and move on to the next buyer. All of the stress is being put on the seller. All of the responsibilities are being put on the breeder in oder to make the sell successful. What if the potential buyer is one of those people that nit-pick about everything and nothing seems to make them happy??? |
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I don't take deposits on pups because I am a breeder not a banker. I couldn't possibly decide who gets which pup when they are born and not for many, many weeks after. They are 8 weeks old before I begin personality testing that helps me figure out which pup would suit which situation the best. If I am looking to keep a pup for show potential I could not possibly decide which one when they are tiny. If you want one of my pups, you can hang out on my waiting list until I decide. My waiting list is NOT first come, first serve since I try to match pups and if, when I meet you in person and something doesn't seem right to me...you will not get a pup. Is this fair?....nope. Do I care?....nope. Do I worry about people getting mad at me?...not even a little. My first obligation is to the well being of my dogs. Does this leave me with available pups not placed until they are older than 12 weeks sometimes? Sure, but so what. Eventually they will go to the very best home that I can choose for them and that's what matters. I know it's not easy to just hang out on a waiting list (I've done it myself), so I do try to locate other breeder's pups for people all the time. On the flip side...I can understand why breeders do take deposits, because it does let the breeder know you are commited to getting one of their pups, and then they will not be by-passing others that might be equally as deserving. If it is stated as non-refundable, which many are, it is up to the breeder to decide if they will return that as a courtesy when the situation changes and the pup is placed elsewhere. |
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You have a great point here and I like what you are talking about. I know it it is very hard and yet time consuming to place a puppy with the right person. And of course you want the right person for your precious babies. Nothing else will do............ |
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The More I read this I think a deposit could only benefit the seller. At least you think you have that one sold and can go on to others. When they give you a deposit couldn't you have a receipt printed up stating their name given on such a date for f/m dog etc say it is a non-refundable deposit. But then I also don't think the seller should renig on the sale. Kim, I know that isn't how your sale went but I can't see why a deposit wouldn't always be helpful :confused: I remember what a lady by me used to do and I think it was a wonderful idea but then you limit yourself to local people. She had English Bulldogs and they were in such demand, she took calls and sent pics to people interested and told them the date they were to be shown ( as I remember 10 weeks) male, female the same price. She didn't have people coming through her house , possibly carrying parvo and taking up her time with just curious people. On that day the cars were lined up like you would not believe and they went like hotcakes. She already had interviewed the people before hand and let it be first come first serve. She wondered how it would be if she only had male pups to offer but it went equally as well. She and I both thought male and female are equally precious and I think she was smart to price them alike and that put that important part of it in their minds too. |
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lady with the bulldogs, I mentioned may not be getting the right pup in the right home. |
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Quality Yorkies from reputable breeders are a rare find these days. Usually folks that have done their research and realize this prefer to send a deposit of some kind for piece of mind. So a deposit can also benefit the parents to be. It's like be pregnant, you can prepare for the new arrival. I take deposits early and offer to refund it if the puppy ends up not being what they want as long as we discuss thoroughly what it is they want. I ask for it to be spelled out in an email acutally. I did this with a person that wanted a small female from me. She basically paid to hold her spot. I was pretty sure this puppy was going ot be small but how small was the question. I asked her what size she was comfortable with at 16wks. She said less than 2 pounds. We agreed that the deposit would be refunded if she exceeded that weight. THings worked out she ended up being less than 2 pounds and she's very much loved today. They couldn't be happier. Just wanted to say a deposit is benefical for the buyer as well. I ask for deposits at 8 wks old but if someone wants to send me a deposit to hold the puppy because they want to make sure they don't lose out. I'll accept it to make them feel better but I don't need it before 8 wks. We have to remember neither of us is right or wrong if we chose to refund or not refund deposits...it's how certain situations are handled that can make one or the other choice end up being a bad thing. |
Try to make this the last question....for those of you that feel that a deposit is like an unwritten contract, then if the buyer backs out, should they receive their money back? |
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I baught Ruby and Bella from different breeders and I was REALLY UNPLEASED with Rubys breeder. Well I had put a $500 deposit down on a pup 5 months before i could get her. 2 months before i could get her i was offered a 5 month old, small, female (with an umbilical hernia) (Ruby) but she had great lines in her and she was adorable, well i decided to take her and then still get my original pup because i wanted two dogs. Well when the puppies were born and the breeder saw how small they would be she raised the price on my original puppy (i faught it) she brought the price back down to what it was originally and long story short I was so furious with her that I decided to go to another breeder and lost my $500 deposit. |
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I had already brought Ruby home (and fell in love with her) and took her to the vet right away and she was a healthy girl. As you probably know as a breeder umbilical hernias aren't that big of a deal and Ruby had it fixed when she got spayed. But this breeder wanted to keep Ruby for breeding because she is a gorgeous Yorkie (great lines) but she was to small (that's why I got her when she was 5 months). The breeder was going to breed her with her umbilical hernia if she got bigger:eek: It just goes on and on. |
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I mean everyone knows.. how much I love Stacy (Sylvan). But here I am again. I read her post long time ago explaining about similar thing. I can imagine some people can get upset or frustrated... but to me this is something I felt really good about Stacy. As she said that she would be the one who decided which pup goes to who, and if she even wants to sell her pups to the potential buyer. Then at the same time, postential buyers can also decide if they really want a specific pup or from her. I mean.. Stacy is just so great. So if she says you can have it, you definitely want to have her pup. But I really like her process of finding home for her pups. It really attracted me so much after contacting so many breeders. I have been thinking about a lot about this whole thing and saying (often) that buying a pup shouldn't be easy thing. It is a committment and 10 or plus year of companionship, so it is important to do a lot of research. Having a good relationship with a breeder is MUST. So.. I really like her policy... she lets us to have chance to get to know her and also for her to get to know us! Just love it, love it, love it. Just for you to know.. I don't get any commission for saying that! So I really mean it! |
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Michiko You are truly a darling young lady and I hope you get the greatest pup in the whold wide world. You have learned so much and you don't even have your yorkie but that is really the way to do it. I got to know the breeders when I went looking for Crystal and when I was finally able to figure out who the good guys were I really worked hard like you are. My breeder felt she had someone she could trust and I felt the same about her and we were both correct. I was reading about you buying a duplex, I think you said "How Exciting" for you and that boyfriend who seems to adore you. Best of Luck and keep us posted. p.s. putting a hyper pup with an elderly person or a very very quiet and shy one with children would be 2 strkes against the pup and family, right off the bat and I like you have come to see how important that is for a breeder. |
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Oh my.. so sweet. Thank you for your kind words. I was just talking to my friend who has a yorkie about different breeders policy. When you want a yorkie, you want a yorkie. It is easy to jump to it.. But it is very important to look at breeders' policy. Good thread! |
I have never taken a deposit and I don't advertise or show my puppies til I am ready to place them. So, by word of mouth someone learns about my puppies. Oh, and I have a notice about rescue help etc on Breeders.net. I get a call, I do an interview; I make an appt with the family to come to visit and by that time I have decided which puppy if any I am considering for their home. All household members and other dogs must come for that visit. Dogs vaccine record must be up to date or they aren't even allowed inside-hoomans or critters. Sayonara! I have made only one exception to this routine and you know who you are. Then, I either tell you that your home is not for my puppy and we part ways. Of course, if I have a bad vibe during the phone interview, I don't even make an appt. I have certain things I listen for on the phone.. I tell people that I deal in cash, discuss my strict contract and we sign 2 copies. They have an agreed upon time to go to the vet for an initial check...they get a slip from my vet also. If We decide that we are a match, I send the buyer either home if they live close or just go away for a few hours to discuss the situation. If they don't want the puppy it is a perfect way to scoot. But, they need to talk freely amongst themselves without worrying about my overhearing their conversation. If all goes well, A very happy family leaves with one lucky puppy and with a sad mom standing at the door waving and hoping she won't cry.. |
Question Wispersmom Reni, is your process somewhat like the Bulldog lady, I mentioned?? She went to their house though but on the day she showed them it was first come first "get"(not good) and that is something that you don't do. You need to get the right pup in the right home. Also don't think your good deeds go unnoticed. |
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I so agree with Joan and Misty - Rini - YOU Do not go unnoticed ! Not at ALL...you are one special lady and any one of us would be lucky to deal with YOU. :) and to add to this ...I feel the same about Pat - YorkieRose. |
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I think that by taking a deposit, it's an unwritten contract. That being said, I absolutely think that if a buyer backs out that the breeder keeps the money. I'm not a lawyer or an expert on the law (by any means!), but it is my understanding from the courses I've taken that if the breeder cashes a check or accepts cash from a buyer, that it can be as binding as signing a contract. Now, say a breeder takes my check and tomorrow calls to say that they've changed their mind (and has yet to cash the check), then it's the breeder's right to back out of the agreement since they haven't "formally" accepted. To avoid this, I think a breeder should wait until they are able to fully evaluate a puppy's traits to decide whether or not to sell. The breeders that work hard to match an owner's needs and wants to a puppies characteristics are worth their weight in gold. I would not want to put a deposit on a puppy or litter before birth or at a very young age because a puppy changes so much as it grows and matures- personality-wise and physically. So even if a puppy is your "dream" puppy at 6 weeks, he or she could completely change in their personality at 8 or 10 weeks and not be a good fit for you or your home. |
I am not a breeder but here is my 2 cents. If someone takes a deposit, it is considered a verbal contract between the two parties. If the buyer back out (assuming the puppy is healthy), there should be no refund. Let's think about this, upon receiving a deposit, the puppy would be taken off the market. It’s only fair for the buyer to follow thru. If the breeder has expressed she/he might not sell a certain puppy and the buyer still want to put down a deposit to save her/his place in the possibility of getting the puppy, the breeder should be free to cancel the deal anytime and just return the deposit. On the other hand, if there is no pre-agreement about uncertainty of a sell, the breeder should not be able to back out without financial loss either – though this is not typically agreed upon. IMO, what’s fair is fair. A deposit represents a commitment between two parties therefore no one should suffer a lost without proper compensation. If the sell is not guaranteed (for either party), what’s the point of having a deposit? On the side note, my breeder wouldn’t take a deposit from me because she didn’t want to guarantee the sell (we live in different state). She told me that if she doesn’t feel comfortable with me when we meet in person, she won’t let me have her puppy. Mind you that she drove 5 hours to meet me half way (after many phone conversations) without making a commitment but listed her puppy as “sold” with my name next to my puppy’s photo on her website days before our meeting (as soon as we set the date). She really has her puppy’s best interests in heart as the breeder members here on YT :) . Sorry for the long post. I didn’t mean to write a book. :p |
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A handshake still mean something to me though and to some of the people I know ........... |
Scenario Scenario: You as the breeder talk to a potential buyer. They meet with you, pick out the puppy they want and give you $100.00 cash as a deposit to hold the chosen puppy.(puppy is ready to go but they are not ready to take the puppy immediately) You write them a receipt that says that their deposit is non-refundable and the puppy must be picked up by XXX date. But, you don't have a copy of the receipt that you gave them. They don't show up for the puppy by the XXX date and you can't find them and they make no attempt to contact you. How long do you wait before you put the puppy back up for sale? Can they come back and want their $100.00? |
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