Vaccinations- DIY or Vet?

[Yorkiemom1]

You have to calculate your own dosage according to your baby's weight....

[McheleM]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

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My question exactly! I have no idea why none of my people have had all these problems with their vets refusing a valid shot record from a breeder that has the appearance of looking professional....they will certainly have issues with a "note" on a paper towel simply stating "dog has had all shots".....but I really do think if you are conducting your business like you are not selling puppies in parking lots and flea markets or out of a box on the side of the road, vets are more at ease believing what they are looking at. Like you say, they SHOULD be more concerned with overdosing the baby than accepting the valid shot record! Actually, the only vaccination they would be "responsible" for justifying or "standing behind", would be the rabies shot, which in most States is still given only by vets. If you tell your vet you trust your breeder and accept her word that the vaccines were given correctly and appropriately, what in the world are they going to do? Establish working relationships with the people that are taking care of your pup.....there SHOULD be a trusting relationship going both ways between you and your breeder, vet, groomer, etc!

Agreed. If I say I don't want those vaccines, my vet will not force me. And if I trust my breeder, and have done my research and build a relationship with her, why would I doubt her ability to administer shots, or think she lied. And as my vet, he should trust me when I tell him the shots were already done.

[theporkieyorkie]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

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My question exactly! I have no idea why none of my people have had all these problems with their vets refusing a valid shot record from a breeder that has the appearance of looking professional....they will certainly have issues with a "note" on a paper towel simply stating "dog has had all shots".....but I really do think if you are conducting your business like you are not selling puppies in parking lots and flea markets or out of a box on the side of the road, vets are more at ease believing what they are looking at. Like you say, they SHOULD be more concerned with overdosing the baby than accepting the valid shot record! Actually, the only vaccination they would be "responsible" for justifying or "standing behind", would be the rabies shot, which in most States is still given only by vets. If you tell your vet you trust your breeder and accept her word that the vaccines were given correctly and appropriately, what in the world are they going to do? Establish working relationships with the people that are taking care of your pup.....there SHOULD be a trusting relationship going both ways between you and your breeder, vet, groomer, etc!

It makes me wonder if these vets are just out to make a buck and use this as an excuse to re-vaccinate and charge the client more. I've had vets refuse to write me a prescription for HW pills, after administering a HW test at their office, simply because they wanted me to ONLY be able to buy HW pills from them and nowhere else. Needless to say, that is the last time I took my dog into that vet.

[chachi]

Originally Posted by theporkieyorkie

It makes me wonder if these vets are just out to make a buck and use this as an excuse to re-vaccinate and charge the client more. I've had vets refuse to write me a prescription for HW pills, after administering a HW test at their office, simply because they wanted me to ONLY be able to buy HW pills from them and nowhere else. Needless to say, that is the last time I took my dog into that vet.

Mine was not out to make money. He truly had concerns the vaccine may not have been administered correctly and he has concerns of a dog he sees getting parvo or distemper or other problems because of it. I dont like the insinuations my vet is just out to make money. There are alot of things that go into administering the vaccine correctly like storing the vaccine at the correct temperature and giving them at the correct time. Not all breeders are doing it correctly and how is he to know which ones are and which ones aren so he has to set a precidence no breeder shots. I dont blame my dogs being overvaccinated on my vet I blame my breeder. If she hadnt been trying to save a couple bucks by vaccinating herself mine wouldnt have been overvaccinated

[Yorkiemom1]

[QUOTE=chachi;4403057]Mine was not out to make money. He truly had concerns the vaccine may not have been administered correctly and he has concerns of a dog he sees getting parvo or distemper or other problems because of it. I dont like the insinuations my vet is just out to make money. There are alot of things that go into administering the vaccine correctly like storing the vaccine at the correct temperature and giving them at the correct time. Not all breeders are doing it correctly and how is he to know which ones are and which ones aren so he has to set a precidence no breeder shots. I dont blame my dogs being overvaccinated on my vet I blame my breeder. If she hadnt been trying to save a couple bucks by vaccinating herself mine wouldnt have been overvaccinated[/QUOTE]

I worked for a vet....worming and vaccinations were considered "bread and butter". Obviously, not all vets businesses thrive on this approach, but many do. Blame your breeder for not vaccinating pups correctly....but not for over vaccinating....she didnt over vaccinate, the vet did! If a vet is so concerned about protecting the dog from disease, hopefully he at least would think about doing titers before he endangered the pup by over vaccinating. Then, if the pup needed to be revaccinated, he could do so without endangering the puppy. People that are fortunate enough to get their puppy from a reputable breeder, one that obviously loves the breed and her dogs and is emotionally tied to each of her puppies for the rest of the pup's life, has established a close relationship with that breeder way before actually "closing" on the baby. Breeders that give their own vaccinations, dock their own tails and dew claws, do so not to "save a couple of bucks" but because they know how to do it. If you know how to work on your car, and do so, maybe it is because you are capable of doing it and see no reason to hang around a garage for a morning while work is done by hopefully, a knowledgable mechanic.... A responsible breeder knows very well the protocol for vaccinating puppies, (as well as the "complicated" process of keeping vaccines in a working refrigerator) a protocol that some vets still do not follow, ie annual vaccinations when research clearly shows protection exceeds 3 years, and actually may be 7 years,,,,this is undergoing trials now.....Rabies seems to be effective for a lifetime...this too is under trials......so I would be hopeful that if you have a breeder that is giving your pups vaccinations, present the shot record to your vet to assure she gave the correct vaccine, for dogs and not cats....the label from the bottle will be affixed to the record. The dates of administration should be recorded by the corresponding label. Rather than just assuming since "it was a breeder that gave the vaccines so they are no good, re do them".....have the vet draw titers to be sure he "does no harm" to the puppy. Parvo infecting a breeding kennel is devastating to a breeder and can put them out of business. Responsible breeders know this full well and will not risk lying about vaccinating her puppies. If you are not purchasing from a reputable breeder, or one that says she gave shots but does not provide you a vaccination record, with vial labels intact, then you need to change breeders.

[TxVicki]

[quote=Yorkiemom1;4403078]

Originally Posted by chachi

Mine was not out to make money. He truly had concerns the vaccine may not have been administered correctly and he has concerns of a dog he sees getting parvo or distemper or other problems because of it. I dont like the insinuations my vet is just out to make money. There are alot of things that go into administering the vaccine correctly like storing the vaccine at the correct temperature and giving them at the correct time. Not all breeders are doing it correctly and how is he to know which ones are and which ones aren so he has to set a precidence no breeder shots. I dont blame my dogs being overvaccinated on my vet I blame my breeder. If she hadnt been trying to save a couple bucks by vaccinating herself mine wouldnt have been overvaccinated[/QUOTE]

I worked for a vet....worming and vaccinations were considered "bread and butter". Obviously, not all vets businesses thrive on this approach, but many do. Blame your breeder for not vaccinating pups correctly....but not for over vaccinating....she didnt over vaccinate, the vet did! If a vet is so concerned about protecting the dog from disease, hopefully he at least would think about doing titers before he endangered the pup by over vaccinating. Then, if the pup needed to be revaccinated, he could do so without endangering the puppy. People that are fortunate enough to get their puppy from a reputable breeder, one that obviously loves the breed and her dogs and is emotionally tied to each of her puppies for the rest of the pup's life, has established a close relationship with that breeder way before actually "closing" on the baby. Breeders that give their own vaccinations, dock their own tails and dew claws, do so not to "save a couple of bucks" but because they know how to do it. If you know how to work on your car, and do so, maybe it is because you are capable of doing it and see no reason to hang around a garage for a morning while work is done by hopefully, a knowledgable mechanic.... A responsible breeder knows very well the protocol for vaccinating puppies, (as well as the "complicated" process of keeping vaccines in a working refrigerator) a protocol that some vets still do not follow, ie annual vaccinations when research clearly shows protection exceeds 3 years, and actually may be 7 years,,,,this is undergoing trials now.....Rabies seems to be effective for a lifetime...this too is under trials......so I would be hopeful that if you have a breeder that is giving your pups vaccinations, present the shot record to your vet to assure she gave the correct vaccine, for dogs and not cats....the label from the bottle will be affixed to the record. The dates of administration should be recorded by the corresponding label. Rather than just assuming since "it was a breeder that gave the vaccines so they are no good, re do them".....have the vet draw titers to be sure he "does no harm" to the puppy. Parvo infecting a breeding kennel is devastating to a breeder and can put them out of business. Responsible breeders know this full well and will not risk lying about vaccinating her puppies. If you are not purchasing from a reputable breeder, or one that says she gave shots but does not provide you a vaccination record, with vial labels intact, then you need to change breeders.

That right there was a big problem when I was working as a Vet Tech. People would bring in a new puppy with a record but it was hand written. There was no label at all attached to the record.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I worked for a vet....worming and vaccinations were considered "bread and butter". Obviously, not all vets businesses thrive on this approach, but many do. Blame your breeder for not vaccinating pups correctly....but not for over vaccinating....she didnt over vaccinate, the vet did! If a vet is so concerned about protecting the dog from disease, hopefully he at least would think about doing titers before he endangered the pup by over vaccinating. Then, if the pup needed to be revaccinated, he could do so without endangering the puppy. People that are fortunate enough to get their puppy from a reputable breeder, one that obviously loves the breed and her dogs and is emotionally tied to each of her puppies for the rest of the pup's life, has established a close relationship with that breeder way before actually "closing" on the baby. Breeders that give their own vaccinations, dock their own tails and dew claws, do so not to "save a couple of bucks" but because they know how to do it. If you know how to work on your car, and do so, maybe it is because you are capable of doing it and see no reason to hang around a garage for a morning while work is done by hopefully, a knowledgable mechanic.... A responsible breeder knows very well the protocol for vaccinating puppies, (as well as the "complicated" process of keeping vaccines in a working refrigerator) a protocol that some vets still do not follow, ie annual vaccinations when research clearly shows protection exceeds 3 years, and actually may be 7 years,,,,this is undergoing trials now.....Rabies seems to be effective for a lifetime...this too is under trials......so I would be hopeful that if you have a breeder that is giving your pups vaccinations, present the shot record to your vet to assure she gave the correct vaccine, for dogs and not cats....the label from the bottle will be affixed to the record. The dates of administration should be recorded by the corresponding label. Rather than just assuming since "it was a breeder that gave the vaccines so they are no good, re do them".....have the vet draw titers to be sure he "does no harm" to the puppy. Parvo infecting a breeding kennel is devastating to a breeder and can put them out of business. Responsible breeders know this full well and will not risk lying about vaccinating her puppies. If you are not purchasing from a reputable breeder, or one that says she gave shots but does not provide you a vaccination record, with vial labels intact, then you need to change breeders.

I really agree with this, if you don't trust your breeder to give a vaccination appropriately, why would you trust her to reproduce puppies? It's not that I want people to blindly trust their breeders, but get to know the breeder and her breeding program. My vet had no problem accepting my breeders shot records. Many breeders don't like exposing puppies to the vet office that early.

[Yorkiemom1]

[quote=TxVicki;4403086]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

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That right there was a big problem when I was working as a Vet Tech. People would bring in a new puppy with a record but it was hand written. There was no label at all attached to the record.

RED FLAG!!! Each vial comes with a peel off label....you affix the label on the shot record...it has the name of the vaccine, the lot number the vaccine came from, and the breeder should be dating and giving the age of the pup, on the record, right next to the label.....there should be 3 or four labels on the record, according to which vaccine was given....some say 4 doses, some say 3 doses....
No one should accept anyones verbal statement that "shots were given" and yet, no labels affixed to the record. This is indeed a problem! If I found myself in this situation as a buyer, I would have titers done on the puppy rather than risk overdosing the baby with vaccines....if the titers came back indicating the baby had no protection, then revaccinate.....and then contact the breeder!!!

[chachi]

I never said my breeder was a reputable breeder obviously she was not. I think though it would be interesting to find out how many people had vets that didnt accept the breeder given shots. I dont think this is uncommon just not talked about

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

[quote=Yorkiemom1;4403108]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

RED FLAG!!! Each vial comes with a peel off label....you affix the label on the shot record...it has the name of the vaccine, the lot number the vaccine came from, and the breeder should be dating and giving the age of the pup, on the record, right next to the label.....there should be 3 or four labels on the record, according to which vaccine was given....some say 4 doses, some say 3 doses....
No one should accept anyones verbal statement that "shots were given" and yet, no labels affixed to the record. This is indeed a problem! If I found myself in this situation as a buyer, I would have titers done on the puppy rather than risk overdosing the baby with vaccines....if the titers came back indicating the baby had no protection, then revaccinate.....and then contact the breeder!!!

I have a questions for yorkiemom1 I know you are vary educated on this subject my vet recommends getting shots as so- parvovirus at 5 weeks. 5 way at 7-9 weeks then 4 weeks later 5 way plus lepto repeat 4 weeks later again. I told him I was comfortable starting the vacines till 12 weeks, 16 weeks, and 20 weeks he recommended his method. I want to do what is right what is your opinion. What is your way of doing.

[Yorkiemom1]

[quote=Yorkiesrtoocute;4403136]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

I have a questions for yorkiemom1 I know you are vary educated on this subject my vet recommends getting shots as so- parvovirus at 5 weeks. 5 way at 7-9 weeks then 4 weeks later 5 way plus lepto repeat 4 weeks later again. I told him I was comfortable starting the vacines till 12 weeks, 16 weeks, and 20 weeks he recommended his method. I want to do what is right what is your opinion. What is your way of doing.

I give each breeding female NeoPar a week prior to breeding. Each puppy is then medicated with NeoPar at 4 weeks of age. When I had my horrific encounter with parvo, I caolled the vet that developed NeoPar and discussed at length and in detail, what I was going through and what I needed to do. He explaned a vaccination schedule that would cover all my dogs and my newborns solidly against parvo....newborns get NeoPar at 4 weeks of age and then I start my "puppy shots" at 8 weeks of age, 11 weeks, 14 weeks of age....I use Vanguard Plus-5, which does NOT contain Lepto....Lepto is not prevalent in this area so I do not give it. If a puppy is sold into an area that Lepto is a problem, I just ask that baby is premedicated with Benadryl 15 minutes before the shot, and then the owner hang around the office for 20-30 minutes to make sure there is no reaction. I will add that when I started giving NeoPar, alot of vets had not heard of it, and were not using it at all.....there are alot of them that now use NeoPar in their vaccination schedule....Breeders and vets working together, sharing research and information.....GREAT thing for pups!

[Yorkiesrtoocute]

[quote=Yorkiemom1;4403157]

Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute

I give each breeding female NeoPar a week prior to breeding. Each puppy is then medicated with NeoPar at 4 weeks of age. When I had my horrific encounter with parvo, I caolled the vet that developed NeoPar and discussed at length and in detail, what I was going through and what I needed to do. He explaned a vaccination schedule that would cover all my dogs and my newborns solidly against parvo....newborns get NeoPar at 4 weeks of age and then I start my "puppy shots" at 8 weeks of age, 11 weeks, 14 weeks of age....I use Vanguard Plus-5, which does NOT contain Lepto....Lepto is not prevalent in this area so I do not give it. If a puppy is sold into an area that Lepto is a problem, I just ask that baby is premedicated with Benadryl 15 minutes before the shot, and then the owner hang around the office for 20-30 minutes to make sure there is no reaction. I will add that when I started giving NeoPar, alot of vets had not heard of it, and were not using it at all.....there are alot of them that now use NeoPar in their vaccination schedule....Breeders and vets working together, sharing research and information.....GREAT thing for pups!

Wow I can't continue to be grateful for finding yt. You and others have so much good knowledge to pass on that is so usefull. Thanks for the reply I know my vet is experienced but I'm one of those people that question everything. I just want to do what's best for the puppy. I feel these puppy's are a huge responsibility and I don't want anything to go wrong.

[theporkieyorkie]

Originally Posted by TxVicki

That right there was a big problem when I was working as a Vet Tech. People would bring in a new puppy with a record but it was hand written. There was no label at all attached to the record.

Now THAT makes sense to me!!

I apologize if I offended you Chachi. I definitely don't think your vet is the only one that won't accept breeder shots either. I was speaking more in generalized terms and from my experiences. A lot of vets over-vaccinate...and do other unnecessary things to make money. I've ran into my fare share of them recently and that is what I was thinking about when I made my comment. I KNOW my vet wouldn't write me a script because he wanted me to buy my HW pills off HIM because he wanted the money and/or the kick backs from the companies. I've had issues with a few other vets as well.

Why do you guys think testing for titers so uncommon??

It seems like most vets will just re-vaccinate rather than testing for titers.
For example, if someone finds a stray dog on the side of the road and takes it to the vet, most likely, the vet will just go ahead and re-vaccinate it.

Until coming on here, I'd never even heard of a vet doing titers. It just doesn't seem like common practice.

[lisaly]

Originally Posted by theporkieyorkie

Now THAT makes sense to me!!

I apologize if I offended you Chachi. I definitely don't think your vet is the only one that won't accept breeder shots either. I was speaking more in generalized terms and from my experiences. A lot of vets over-vaccinate...and do other unnecessary things to make money. I've ran into my fare share of them recently and that is what I was thinking about when I made my comment. I KNOW my vet wouldn't write me a script because he wanted me to buy my HW pills off HIM because he wanted the money and/or the kick backs from the companies. I've had issues with a few other vets as well.

Why do you guys think testing for titers so uncommon??

It seems like most vets will just re-vaccinate rather than testing for titers.
For example, if someone finds a stray dog on the side of the road and takes it to the vet, most likely, the vet will just go ahead and re-vaccinate it.

Until coming on here, I'd never even heard of a vet doing titers. It just doesn't seem like common practice.

Here is a YT thread that discusses titers. Some find the reliability questionable. I had Katie titered last May, and it cost me $70.00.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...nterviews.html

[Cares4Dogs]

When I got my girl, I was given the shot record with the stickers from the immunizations administered by the breeder but my vet still recommended repeating the vaccinations. I felt she was already over-vaccinated and chose not to start from scratch. My vet was a reproductive specialist too....a very good one. I think he just wanted to be safe than sorry.

Me personally, if I was selling a pup, I'll always have the vet do the immunizations. There are lots of vets in our area who will not accept breeder administered immunizations. There are too many crooked people out there.