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Yorkiesrtoocute 02-17-2014 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4387625)
My recipe is:
1 can Just Born with Colostrum
4 oz Pedialyte
1 cup Live Cultured Yogurt
1 raw egg yolk
4 TBSP Dr. Millers Pet Nurta Drops (you can substitute 4 tbsp Karo syrup and 1 TBSP Vi-Daylin Pediatric vitamins)
This formula will provide 14-16 calories/cc, depending on whether you have to substitute Karo and pediatric vitamins. Babies will thrive on this....mix it up and refridgerate for a week. When I have just one or two babies, I pour half in ice tray and freeze so you are not wasting so much....
Hi I saw this recipe and was going to try it on or baby I bought the can at tractor supply and it came in 8 fl oz is that the right size? I did it with the karo syrup and looked a little thick.

Yorkiemom1 02-17-2014 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute (Post 4393339)
Hi I saw this recipe and was going to try it on or baby I bought the can at tractor supply and it came in 8 fl oz is that the right size? I did it with the karo syrup and looked a little thick.
Did you cut it with the Pedialyte? 8 oz of puppy milk, 4 oz Pedialyte add the other ingredients and use a whisk to miz it all together well....

Yorkiesrtoocute 02-18-2014 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4393535)
Did you cut it with the Pedialyte? 8 oz of puppy milk, 4 oz Pedialyte add the other ingredients and use a whisk to miz it all together well....
Yes I did the pedialite and all the ingredients just like on the recipe

Yorkiemom1 02-18-2014 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute (Post 4393565)
Yes I did the pedialite and all the ingredients just like on the recipe
Are you tube feeding this formula? It is thick, but it will easily tube feed and I also use it when they get a little older to put over the kibble to make gruel during weaning. It delivers 14-16 calories per cc, and the yogurt is for the live cultures for baby's gut....it is thick, but it works!

Yorkiesrtoocute 02-18-2014 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4393661)
Are you tube feeding this formula? It is thick, but it will easily tube feed and I also use it when they get a little older to put over the kibble to make gruel during weaning. It delivers 14-16 calories per cc, and the yogurt is for the live cultures for baby's gut....it is thick, but it works!
Yes I'm tube feeding in between the mother nursing. She was 4.85oz on Friday at 6pm birth weight today Tuesday morning she is 7.30oz does that sound like the right weight gain? She did get constipated on me Sunday so I did a warm water enema and that worked. I'm giving her 4cc and she nurses right after.

PamperedYorkies 02-18-2014 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute (Post 4393683)
Yes I'm tube feeding in between the mother nursing. She was 4.85oz on Friday at 6pm birth weight today Tuesday morning she is 7.30oz does that sound like the right weight gain? She did get constipated on me Sunday so I did a warm water enema and that worked. I'm giving her 4cc and she nurses right after.


Wow. I wish I got that much weight gain on my pups! We're gaining, but very slowly. Or better said, we were gaining much slower. After week 1, it picked up, but we're still playing catch up. We might break 7 oz today and they'll be 2 weeks old tomorrow :-S

Yorkiesrtoocute 02-18-2014 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by PamperedYorkies (Post 4393690)
Wow. I wish I got that much weight gain on my pups! We're gaining, but very slowly. Or better said, we were gaining much slower. After week 1, it picked up, but we're still playing catch up. We might break 7 oz today and they'll be 2 weeks old tomorrow :-S
Maybe yours will be more petite than Valentina. If I leave her with momma in whelping box she seems to be nursing all the time. Her momma is 5.5 pounds daddy is almost 5 pounds but maybe she is going to be a bigger than them. :p. Maybe it's that I'm tube feeding she might be getting more that way than bottle feeding.

PamperedYorkies 02-18-2014 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute (Post 4393693)
Maybe yours will be more petite than Valentina. If I leave her with momma in whelping box she seems to be nursing all the time. Her momma is 5.5 pounds daddy is almost 5 pounds but maybe she is going to be a bigger than them. :p. Maybe it's that I'm tube feeding she might be getting more that way than bottle feeding.
Hopefully not much smaller. Lola in a lean frame is also about 5 1/2 lbs. Usually she's closer to 6. The dad is also 5lbs. But my babies did take a big dip in weight the first day because Lola's milk had not come in and me being a novice, wasn't sure what to look for. Fortunately some very knowledgeable people here gave me direction and we turned things around.


I'm really hoping they just have some catching up to do, but above all things, I just want them to be healthy.


I think their eyes and ears might open soon! It looks like there's a tiny hairline gap now between the eyelids (same with ears) and last night when I picked them up to weigh them, I woke them up, and I saw the eye movement underneath the lids. For a moment I thought their eyes were going to pop open right then! :) Very excited for the milestones to come!

Yorkiemom1 02-18-2014 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute (Post 4393683)
Yes I'm tube feeding in between the mother nursing. She was 4.85oz on Friday at 6pm birth weight today Tuesday morning she is 7.30oz does that sound like the right weight gain? She did get constipated on me Sunday so I did a warm water enema and that worked. I'm giving her 4cc and she nurses right after.
You are doing a FINE job!! That weight gain is super and as soon as baby really gets the hang of nursing from mom, you can back down more on the number of times you have to tube feed during a 24 hour period!! Then you can go down to just 2cc 3 times a day, and finally, let momma do her job!!! You are doing just right, supplementing her and then letting her nurse afterwards! Keep weighing twice a day, and slowly back on down on frequency, then amount of formula feedings....until you can stop completely! You just can not beat tube feeding for accurate, safe, supplemental feedings....YOU control how many calories baby gets from you, and they just do so, so well! Constipated? I would back down to 1/2 cup on the yogurt, and add 2 oz of distilled water....that is going to decrease the calories/cc you are giving, but you have successfully gotten this baby over the hump! I would think by the start of next week, you should have baby almost completely on momma, if she is feeding and tending to baby.

Yorkiemom1 02-18-2014 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute (Post 4393693)
Maybe yours will be more petite than Valentina. If I leave her with momma in whelping box she seems to be nursing all the time. Her momma is 5.5 pounds daddy is almost 5 pounds but maybe she is going to be a bigger than them. :p. Maybe it's that I'm tube feeding she might be getting more that way than bottle feeding.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Bingo! More nutrition, correct amount, precise calorie amount based on her weight!

PamperedYorkies 02-18-2014 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4393934)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
Bingo! More nutrition, correct amount, precise calorie amount based on her weight!
I didn't think I was doing it wrong by bottle feeding? I thought since they were naturally latching to the bottle, that was encouraged so that they would continue to latch on to mom?

:confused:

Yorkiesrtoocute 02-18-2014 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PamperedYorkies (Post 4394016)
I didn't think I was doing it wrong by bottle feeding? I thought since they were naturally latching to the bottle, that was encouraged so that they would continue to latch on to mom?

:confused:
I was using the bottle when I first got home and my mentor came over and showed me how to tube feed she says it's safer as the puppy's has less chances of swallowing too fast and it going into the lungs and sometimes out the nose. You can also feed, burp, and clean a puppy in less than 5 minutes. It's really convenient and easy especially in the am hours. I use the tube #5 f. She gave it to me I think it can be ordered plus a syringe. The vet can show you how to do it meanwhile look for a video online so you can see how it's done.:animal-pa You measure the tube from the last rib to the tip of the mouth you mark it. Keep puppy's head strait. Put the tube in the middle of the tongue when the puppy starts swallowing put the tube to the mark, and feed the amount slowly once done pull the tube out. It also keeps less gas from entering the pup you must drip some formula first to make sure no air in the tube. Your vet can show you how to do it. It will save you time. Puppy's will probably start gaining weight faster as to sometimes they fall asleep on the bottle. Just an idea

PamperedYorkies 02-18-2014 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute (Post 4394057)
I was using the bottle when I first got home and my mentor came over and showed me how to tube feed she says it's safer as the puppy's has less chances of swallowing too fast and it going into the lungs and sometimes out the nose. You can also feed, burp, and clean a puppy in less than 5 minutes. It's really convenient and easy especially in the am hours. I use the tube #5 f. She gave it to me I think it can be ordered plus a syringe. The vet can show you how to do it meanwhile look for a video online so you can see how it's done.:animal-pa You measure the tube from the last rib to the tip of the mouth you mark it. Keep puppy's head strait. Put the tube in the middle of the tongue when the puppy starts swallowing put the tube to the mark, and feed the amount slowly once done pull the tube out. It also keeps less gas from entering the pup you must drip some formula first to make sure no air in the tube. Your vet can show you how to do it. It will save you time. Puppy's will probably start gaining weight faster as to sometimes they fall asleep on the bottle. Just an idea
Thanks for your reply. My mentor is not involved at the moment, so I'm pretty much going at it on my own and have relied heavily on any and all advice I've received here.

I'll look into it, maybe ramp up supplementing again. I had already transitioned the pups to feed mostly from mom and only feed them once or maybe twice a day. Since they began to gain more than the initial tenth or two of an ounce, now closer to half an ounce per day, I thought we were doing well. It wasn't until you posted your weight gain in only a few days that I began to wonder. I had not found yet anywhere whether there is an 'appropriate' amount of weight gain, everything says 'as long as they're not losing'. Given the initial drastic drop in weight, I just thought we had some ground to make up and as long as they weren't losing we were ok.

Thanks again

Yorkiemom1 02-18-2014 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by PamperedYorkies (Post 4394016)
I didn't think I was doing it wrong by bottle feeding? I thought since they were naturally latching to the bottle, that was encouraged so that they would continue to latch on to mom?

:confused:
No no....you did nothing wrong.....
Not wrong!! You just can not make certain of the amount of formula baby is getting....you cant know for certain how many calories you are giving per feeding! No, you did fine and were fortunate to have one that WOULD nurse a bottle.....and pup is gaining weight and you had to make up lost ground...You are fine and your baby is fine....you can just expect a slower weight gain mainly because you dont know how many calories baby is actually getting per feeding!

Yorkiemom1 02-18-2014 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiesrtoocute (Post 4394057)
I was using the bottle when I first got home and my mentor came over and showed me how to tube feed she says it's safer as the puppy's has less chances of swallowing too fast and it going into the lungs and sometimes out the nose. You can also feed, burp, and clean a puppy in less than 5 minutes. It's really convenient and easy especially in the am hours. I use the tube #5 f. She gave it to me I think it can be ordered plus a syringe. The vet can show you how to do it meanwhile look for a video online so you can see how it's done.:animal-pa You measure the tube from the last rib to the tip of the mouth you mark it. Keep puppy's head strait. Put the tube in the middle of the tongue when the puppy starts swallowing put the tube to the mark, and feed the amount slowly once done pull the tube out. It also keeps less gas from entering the pup you must drip some formula first to make sure no air in the tube. Your vet can show you how to do it. It will save you time. Puppy's will probably start gaining weight faster as to sometimes they fall asleep on the bottle. Just an idea
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
God bless your mentor!!!!
You have NO idea how thrilled I am with this! Your mentor did you one of the best things she could have possibly taught you....

PamperedYorkies 02-18-2014 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4394101)
No no....you did nothing wrong.....
Not wrong!! You just can not make certain of the amount of formula baby is getting....you cant know for certain how many calories you are giving per feeding! No, you did fine and were fortunate to have one that WOULD nurse a bottle.....and pup is gaining weight and you had to make up lost ground...You are fine and your baby is fine....you can just expect a slower weight gain mainly because you dont know how many calories baby is actually getting per feeding!
Ok- thanks. Should I not worry about starting tube feeding at this point?

Yorkiemom1 02-18-2014 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PamperedYorkies (Post 4394123)
Ok- thanks. Should I not worry about starting tube feeding at this point?
Are you feeding that formula with the canned puppy formula, plus the other ingredients? That is where you get the calories...if your baby is bottle feeding, feed the formula from the bottle and let her finish up on mom....you will see the difference in how fast she gains weight when you get that super caloric formula in her.....as long as you are gaining weight.....never stand still or LOOSE weight.....use the formula and bottle feed the baby like every 4 hours...,,try to give 3cc per feeding, that will raise her calorie count significantly....

PamperedYorkies 02-18-2014 10:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4394144)
Are you feeding that formula with the canned puppy formula, plus the other ingredients? That is where you get the calories...if your baby is bottle feeding, feed the formula from the bottle and let her finish up on mom....you will see the difference in how fast she gains weight when you get that super caloric formula in her.....as long as you are gaining weight.....never stand still or LOOSE weight.....use the formula and bottle feed the baby like every 4 hours...,,try to give 3cc per feeding, that will raise her calorie count significantly....
Yes, I switched to your recipe as soon as I got it from you. Both babies bottle fed on it for a couple of days every 3 hours while leaving them a little hungry to encourage nursing from Lola. Once mom's milk came in, they would consume less from the bottle and still gain weight, so I took that as a sign to transition them to feed mostly from Lola. I still supplement once, maybe twice a day at most, but I was letting them set the pace because they seem to have lost interest in the bottle and the weight gain has picked up.

It feels counterintuitive to force them to feed more than they want. Should I be pushing them to take more formula?

Yorkiemom1 02-18-2014 11:32 PM
I think you are doing OK now....just watch weight....if they slow way down gaining, or stop, then you will need to restart your supplemental feedings.....even a couple of cc three or four times a day will be a dramatic increase in calories and babies will begin to gain....be sure you dont hold baby on its back to bottle feed....position baby level with head a little higher, like it is nursing from momma...make sure puppy is comfy and warm and feeding is warm.....and if you see that baby is really into a bottle feeding session, let the puppy take as much as it wants from the bottle....you have nore nutrition in that formula than momma is providing actually.....you DO want baby to nurse from momma, to stimulate nursing and milk production and bonding....but it wont hurt if you fill baby up on formula once or twice in a 24 hour period.

PamperedYorkies 02-19-2014 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4394169)
I think you are doing OK now....just watch weight....if they slow way down gaining, or stop, then you will need to restart your supplemental feedings.....even a couple of cc three or four times a day will be a dramatic increase in calories and babies will begin to gain....be sure you dont hold baby on its back to bottle feed....position baby level with head a little higher, like it is nursing from momma...make sure puppy is comfy and warm and feeding is warm.....and if you see that baby is really into a bottle feeding session, let the puppy take as much as it wants from the bottle....you have nore nutrition in that formula than momma is providing actually.....you DO want baby to nurse from momma, to stimulate nursing and milk production and bonding....but it wont hurt if you fill baby up on formula once or twice in a 24 hour period.
Thank you! I am weighing them 2-3 times per day and they are consistently gaining no less than 0.1-0.2 ounce at each weigh-in, sometimes they jump higher than that, so we're averaging roughly 0.5 ounce/day.


Today they made it to 7.0 (B) and 7.2 (G) ounces. We struggled to get them to 5 oz, but once there, their weight gain increments have been higher than before.

Yorkiemom1 02-19-2014 03:42 PM
How much did they weigh today....this afternoon? Still gaining?

PamperedYorkies 02-19-2014 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4394587)
How much did they weigh today....this afternoon? Still gaining?
Mid day they were 7.1 and 7.3
I do my last weigh-in before bedtime, so I don't have the very latest just yet, but as compared to mid day yesterday, we're up 0.4 each from 6.7 and 6.9.


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