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Originally Posted by RobinCanada (Post 4511774)

Thanks for your condescending comment Jenny.

I could say "good grief" to your horribly little hand painted brushes that you sell, but I didn't.

I'm not sure why you feel superior, but I can tell you I did do my homework about where my pup came from, just as I recently did my research on you. I am thoroughly educated on my dog, where he came from and all surrounding circumstances. You don't know me or anything about what I have or have not researched.

Unless you have experience with this particular breeder, anything you say is supposition. It's not based on fact or legitimate accuracy. It's based on a small minded person flexing her internet powers to condescend to those around her.

This is a chat room, to be used for constructive sharing of information, not internet trolling. Unless you have factual information to share, keep your condescending comments to yourself. Be a better person and help the world, not help break it down.

GOOD GRIEF.

Really? Her brushes are not killing dogs. Her brushes are not breeding dogs to small to give birth on there own and risking there life. Her brushes are not creating dogs with horrible illness. Her brushes are not ruining this breed. But you can not say the same about this breeder. No there is no way you did actual research on yorkies and would still buy from this breeder!

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Originally Posted by RobinCanada (Post 4511786)

@ Jenny - No actually I am just someone who is extremely happy with my choice and am confused why someone who has never met, or dealt with a company could be so small minded as to spread unsubstantiated gossip on the internet. I just don't get it. If you like I can PM my name and phone number and you can call me to confirm. If you have dealt with them then state your case, if not then you shouldn't condemn someone from your desk in Murrietta.

@ Sir Teddykins - It is easy to take offence when someone is being condescending. My original post was respectful to all.However I notice in your comment you take a poke at me too. My communication skills are lacking? Really? Thanks for your constructive input. Did you catch the spelling errors in Jenny's comment? I don't see you taking a poke at her?? smh

That's bull crud it's a fact a good reputable breeder doesn't do what she does period.

I found that she wrote the same review on a complaint board. Funny how is seems like she went looking for complaints about Betty's Yorkies and writing about how great she is. Seems a little strange.

Betty's teacup yorkies - Selling sick puppies, Review 708284 | Complaints Board

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Originally Posted by kreuer (Post 4511846)

I'm guessing it's Betty

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In the end Betty's TeaCups gave us exactly what we wanted and gladly paid a premium for

Seems like the breeder could have trimmed the pup's ears since she's charging a premium price. If that wasn't done, I can only imagine the forest that could be growing out of the ear itself. :eek:

Seriously, this is just basic grooming. What else wasn't done? And for a premium price? To an experienced buyer that researched every Yorkie breeder?

C'mon now. Let's get real here. This dog is a tiny; a pup that by its very nature requires extra care and I'm seeing a very basic, very obvious thing neglected.

To each his/her own, I suppose.

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Originally Posted by mimimomo (Post 4511809)

First off, I want to apologize for starting off on the wrong side w/you. I am sorry for not welcoming you to YT, Welcome & really wish you the best w/your new pup. I hope you will stick around, this is a wonderful community of YT loving people.

I am not understanding why you are being so hostile towards me...all I am trying to do is warn the unsuspecting buyers of puppy brokers & their connection to puppy mills.

Did you know that once the momma & daddy dogs of Korean puppy mills are no longer useful @ producing pups, they get sold to restaurants that serve dog meat? I am Korean & this horrifies me, it is hell on earth. Many younger generations & even older are trying to stop dog meat consumption in Korea. I learned all this from an animal advocate site called Kara in Korea.

If people buy these puppies from brokers that purchases these puppies from Korean puppy mills, you are supporting this ring of horror. All I ask is to spread the knowledge, to help someone else open their eyes. That is all.

IF Betty Pedram truly does not get her puppies from Korean puppy mills, then I am in the wrong & are spreading gossip & lies. But I believe that is not true...whoever she is getting these puppies from are only catering the market that demands it. Unfortunately, health takes a backseat & looks (& size) come foremost.

Lastly, wish I can blame my typo's on an ipad & auto coorect but I'm not an apple person. I don't mind if my typos or if my wording is wrong & is pointed out to me...I've been here in the States almost all my life & can't speak Korean fluently either loll.

Thanks Jenny, I apologize for being so hostile. I guess we got off on the wrong foot and I played a big role in that. My apologies. I was just trying to let everyone know that my experience was a positive one and that I got a remarkable dog.

It would seem from the responses that people are not interested in that, but rather to bring to light the negatives. It also seems that I am the only person in the string that actually bought a dog from them, so as opinionated as everyone is, it would appear I am the only one with actual first hand knowledge and a dog to show for it....which again others have picked apart. Really the hair on his ears are too long? He's a great dog, he may not be what everyone else likes but he's perfect for me.

You are correct about people eating dog meat. Its a practise done all over the world. My extended family is Cambodian and yes they eat dog meat in Cambodia too. Its common place throughout Asia. As you know it's a different culture. They think of dogs like we think of chickens or fish, literally. I certainly don't agree with it, but its not my place to judge the 4.427 billion people that live in Asia. I would never do it, as a North American we are raised that dogs are pets not food.

Anyways, I apologize for my defensiveness. I'm happy with my pup, I did my research. I know where he came from. I even know about the vet in Korea that took care of him and gave him his shots. He's a perfectly healthy and happy pet. He was never intended to be a show dog, he's a pet and he's a great one.

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Originally Posted by RobinCanada (Post 4512082)

If you did your research you would not have gone with this breeder.

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4512348)

If you did your research you would not have gone with this breeder.

Come on, really? I am the only person on this string that has dealt with them. I got an amazing dog. Can't you just be happy that I have a great dog that is going to have an amazing life? It's easy to speculate, but unless you really know it's just not fair to pick me apart or the breeder. Not all dogs from Korea come from puppy mills.

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Originally Posted by RobinCanada (Post 4512558)

I will not be happy that you bought from some one who is ruining this lovely breed and you financially supported this so it can continue to happen! If you did research on yorkies you would know what they are producing is certainly not the yorkie standard. You can think and say and do what you want but this is absolutely not a good place to get a yorkie from and I will continue to stand my ground and go around around with you!

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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4512571)

I appreciate your perspective. What I bought is a pet for my home and to be part of my family. I cannot speak to their dogs being to the "yorkie standard". That's not what I was looking for. I was looking for a pet to be part of the family and thats what I got.

I appreciate your intentions on doing right for the breed you obviously care so much about. I guess maybe thats where things got mixed up and my apologies to anyone on this string that I may have offended. I was looking for and found an adorable pet, whether he met the breed standard was not my focus.

Thanks and again my most sincere apologies to anyone I offended. I was caught off guard by the tenacious nature in which you all defend the integrity of this breed. I just wanted a pet.

Best wishes to all of you.

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Originally Posted by RobinCanada (Post 4512576)

Pet yorkies still need to be bought by reputable breeders who do things right not by brokers who get there pups from puppy mills. You think you researched this but my dear do you know all the sneaky ways puppy mills hide? I doubt it. You are keeping in business a terrible " breeder" who is doing terrible things to the yorkie breed whether pet or show dog!

I feel it's important for you to know how tiny "teacups" are made. They breed very small dogs together but a female under 5 pounds should never be breed it is just far to dangerous and can in a lot of cases result in a necessary csection or death or not being able to care for the pups. There are Amish puppy mills and other horrible puppy mills that will do the csection on the dogs them self with no anesthesia for the mother dog sometimes they will do the whole thing and sometimes they will just take the pups letting the mother die and throw the pups in with another litter. Because really tiny dogs can not have big litters in order to make a lot of money on them they either have to sell them at extremely high prices or they have to have a whole lot of them.

Wow! This whole thread just makes me sick!! I have no problem at all with good breeders but I hate brokers and puppy mills and anyone else that's in it just for the almighty dollar. In my opinion this puppy looks no different than any of our yorkies. For the pups sake I hope it is healthy! For the pups mom and dad and many more out there I think about you poor babies everyday and hope one day you are freed from your misery!! As for Paris Hilton...Really?? Do your puppies have to be that tiny for you to love them??? It's all for show and total BS! Sick no matter who it is!! I talk to people in the real world all the time and some people just won't be happy unless they can put one in a lipstick tube in their party purse!

RobinCanada. I am so grateful little Jalapeno is loved & healthy. As the owner of 2 tiny yorkies, I understand your desire to have a little one rather than “breed standard”. But I must point out that I also did a lot of research before I bought my first little girl. I learned that the average lifespan of a standard conforming yorkie is 15-18 years, while the average of the ones under 4 pounds is 7-12. Admittedly, that statistic is skewed by the #of dogs who are small because they have health problems & die prematurely (in cases when small is a symptom of a bigger health problem), It is further skewed by the fact that these dogs are more fragile in general. Even if healthy, many die from injuries because they were so small they weren't seen & got underfoot. (And I may not be in agreement with everyone on YT) But "My" conclusion was... I decided to go to a credible breeder who is known to breed for confirmation & look for one who "happened" to have a small one, especially one that came from a small litter (reducing the chances of being a "runt" due to a lack of nutrients in the womb with numerous other puppies vying for the same nutrients) I figured I'd have a much better chance of getting a puppy that could live beyond the average expected for a tiny.

My first little girl, Chanel, fell into this category. She lived to be one month shy of her 12th birthday. And she ended up passing from kidney disease after a 5 year long fight. I don't attribute the kidney problems with her size. She was almost 3 lbs. most of her life and was one of 2 puppies.

My newest little girl, Roxie, is from Deb Sillers and Amazing Yorkies and is also one of 2 pups. She is charting to be 2.5 lbs. But I feel good because I know where she came from and who she is descended from. Deb also offers a 5 year health warranty which is one of the best I have ever seen. Though Roxie is only a "Pet" she comes from good healthy stock that have all been DNA/genetically tested to be free of many of the problems yorkies are prone to.

I really do hope your baby has a long and happy life. It is heartbreaking to lose one and I hope you have MANY years before your little guy crosses the rainbow bridge. But I have to point out that if he does- you will be one of the lucky few. Also beware of breeders who charge astronomical amounts for dogs that don’t conform to breed standard. Betty currently has a dog for sale for 22,000…there is nothing ethical about that. She also has one who looks eerily like my Chanel - down to the white platinum coat! Who weighs MORE than Chanel did for 8,800? Seriously??? Tiny Tori $8800 | Tea Cup Yorkies | Tea Cup Yorkies fo sale
I am writing this to urge you to not provide any further endorsements for Betty. You are one of the few lucky ones.

I also don't want to make a blanket statement about ALL breeders in Korea. But they do have an overall record of decisions that are based on financial gain/ and final appearance, rather than the end result of a healthy puppy. I have a friend in Italy who bought from poshfairytail.com. Angela bought a puppy named " Shooting star" that was advertised as being 6 months old and weighing 1lb 12oz at the time and under 3 lbs as an adult. She paid 4ooo dollars for this “Special” rare "micro" dog and another 1500 to have a nanny service bring it to her. When she received the dog it didn’t look like the pictures(which had been photoshopped to make the eyes bigger), It weighed 3 pounds, and was sick. 5 days later she died from distemper.(Angela also paid to have an autopsy done) The vet said the pup wasn't anywhere close to "6 months" because the canines hadn't even come in. His best guess was that the puppy was about 8 weeks old. This means that the Korean breeder shipped the dog( without a nanny) to poshfairytail in California..who then shipped the dog to Angela in Italy. That poor puppy who wasn't old enough to take from her Mommy spent DAYS in flight! The age/weight at 8 weeks would have made the weight of the dog as an adult close to the breed standard had she just bought a regular puppy from any vetted breeder for a fraction of the price she paid. The dog’s paperwork came from the Korean vet stating the age of the animal and all shots had been performed. Obviouslythis wasn't the case as the dog had distemper and died from something she was supposed to have been immunized against. Any vet would've known a puppy whose canines haven’t come in isn’t anywhere close to 6 months. Angela’s vet also said based on the dogs weight/age- she would have probably been about 6-7 pounds when fully grown. Nowhere near the 3 lbs Angela had been quoted. If anyone wants to see more of this story, including the video Angela posted right after Shooting star died, I'll be happy to share. She shows the documentation to back it up.

The only reason I am going on blathering about all this Robin is to say... while I know the story is not al all what you experienced, nor does it apply to YOUR puppy broker (and I am SO happy your little fella is such a perfect and happy fit for your home), many of the people who attempt to make a similar purchase end up broken hearted at worst and disappointed at best.

You endorsing Betty, or anyone who intentionally breeds dog to be “teacup” without genetic testing and or verifiable ancestry/breeding conditions, will possibly cause other people to be more likely to risk a lot of money and heartache on getting the same outcome as you luckily did. I am not lambasting you for your purchase, but I am encouraging you to realize the dogs Betty sells do come from a place where no one can check on the living conditions of the parents, nor can you really trust the paperwork issued from a Korean Vet who cannot be prosecuted for falsifying information to a buyer in the US. In fact encouraging anyone to purchase an animal of any kind that comes from another country leaves the buyer pretty much screwed if something does go wrong. Dogs sold by breeders in the US that have problems like this can be prosecuted. Overseas buyers are totally out of luck with no recourse. Angela is out 7000 ( the price of the dog, the nanny service to ship, and then the vet bills trying to save her plus an autopsy) And the broker who sold her said the dog lived 48 hours which was her warranty so it's not her problem. So there Angela is in Italy..'heartbroken and unable to afford another dog. (Even if she wanted to.)

Also… a 48 hours health guarantee? RUN RUN RUN RUN RUN!!!! Most of the genetic problems from bad breeding won’t show up until the pup is almost an adult. Would you buy a car with a 48 hour warranty? The promise of a “replacement puppy” from a foreign broker is not a viable option as you still have to pay the exorbitant shipping/nanny service again. ( If you can even face having another puppy after having your heart wrenched out) Now if they offer “Money back” that is something else. But I have never seen one who did so no sense in discussing it.

Again, I am so glad everything turned out well for you. But please be aware you are in the minority and could cause someone else to lay themselves open for a bad experience in sharing your good one. So thank god you were blessed.But there are many breeders of merit who breed beautiful healthy dogs who happen to get “teacups”. And when they do- they don’t charge an arm and a leg for them as Betty, and other brokers do. I paid 1500 for Roxie and 1400 for Chanel and they were both GORGEOUS.( Apparently according to Betty who is selling Tory who looks JUST like Chanel for 8800 I got the deal of the century!) .But, luckily for me, the breeders were more interested in finding a good loving home that knew how to take care of such a fragile little thing than they were in making a buck (or 22,000 of them!) When it comes to dogs…the more you pay, after a reasonable amount that a pureblood with good lines brings, almost NEVER gets you a better dog.

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here is my little Chanel so you can see the resemblance to Tory