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staceytatie 08-22-2013 02:11 PM
First time male stud?
 
hey all, i came here for advice.
i have a 3 1/2 year old male yorkie. hes a miniature but not teacup.
ive had all tests etc done by vets because id like to breed him. the female has also had everything done, bth come with papers etc.

so i tookl my male to see the female and he was very interested, as a first timer with this stuff i thought it was usual that he didnt mount her. she was flagging her tail and backing into him but the first and second time all he did was sniff and lick her. after a while i took him hime and he cried the entire way. maybe hes not interested. shes into her 2nd week of season according to the owners and both dogs are same breed size and around same age.:)

can anyone please tell me what i am doing wrong and please, be nice :) thankyou in advance ill take everything into consideration.

lynzy420 08-23-2013 07:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staceytatie (Post 4301508)
hey all, i came here for advice.
i have a 3 1/2 year old male yorkie. hes a miniature but not teacup.
ive had all tests etc done by vets because id like to breed him. the female has also had everything done, bth come with papers etc.

so i tookl my male to see the female and he was very interested, as a first timer with this stuff i thought it was usual that he didnt mount her. she was flagging her tail and backing into him but the first and second time all he did was sniff and lick her. after a while i took him hime and he cried the entire way. maybe hes not interested. shes into her 2nd week of season according to the owners and both dogs are same breed size and around same age.:)

can anyone please tell me what i am doing wrong and please, be nice :) thankyou in advance ill take everything into consideration.
Unfortunately Yorkietalk is not a Breeding Instruction site. Most, but not all, here believe that the only reason to breed is to better the breed.

There are many things that need to be done prior to breeding, starting with obtaining a mentor...starting with proven health tested pairs.....

I'm not sure why you are breeding these pups but its best to leave it to the "pros"....many bad things can happen to these small pups when breeding, many.

Again, unfortunately for you we are not a Breeding Instruction forum....

lovespandp 08-23-2013 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4301923)
Unfortunately Yorkietalk is not a Breeding Instruction site. Most, but not all, here believe that the only reason to breed is to better the breed.

There are many things that need to be done prior to breeding, starting with obtaining a mentor...starting with proven health tested pairs.....

I'm not sure why you are breeding these pups but its best to leave it to the "pros"....many bad things can happen to these small pups when breeding, many.

Again, unfortunately for you we are not a Breeding Instruction forum....

I've seen many people come on and ask stud questions. Not everyone needs a lecture..

OP: Hopefully a YT breeder will come on an help you

Julia Howard 08-23-2013 07:44 AM
Just to answer your question, some males take a while to get to know the female before they are comfortable. It could also be the wrong time for the female if the owner isnt experienced and know for a fact that the female is ovulating. Your male sounds perfectly normal in his response. Sometimes it takes several efforts before they tie. I do agree that you need to find someone local to you who can guide you in breeding. There are other questions that you will need to ask if you succeed in mating the two.

staceytatie 08-23-2013 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 4301931)
I've seen many people come on and ask stud questions. Not everyone needs a lecture..

OP: Hopefully a YT breeder will come on an help you
Thank you. And I only came on for advice. Not to get you to tell me what to do (other abswerer)

I just needed to know if it was normal

I'll try get hold of someone to mentor me and see how it goes.

Thanks again xxx

lovespandp 08-23-2013 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by staceytatie (Post 4301955)
Thank you. And I only came on for advice. Not to get you to tell me what to do (other abswerer)

I just needed to know if it was normal

I'll try get hold of someone to mentor me and see how it goes.

Thanks again xxx
I understand. I agree, I think a mentor is very much needed. Is this your first time studding him? ( not sure the proper term LOL)
What about the female? Is this her first time..? Just make sure you do your research.. you having a male, there aren't as much risks as with the owner using the female. However there are some personality changes your male can get after he studs as well as marking issues.. Just make sure you do all your research ( most important the owner with the female) to see what can happen, the dangers of breeding both, the cost.. etc. etc

Any questions please ask..

mimimomo 08-23-2013 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by staceytatie (Post 4301508)
hey all, i came here for advice.
i have a 3 1/2 year old male yorkie. hes a miniature but not teacup.
ive had all tests etc done by vets because id like to breed him. the female has also had everything done, bth come with papers etc.

so i tookl my male to see the female and he was very interested, as a first timer with this stuff i thought it was usual that he didnt mount her. she was flagging her tail and backing into him but the first and second time all he did was sniff and lick her. after a while i took him hime and he cried the entire way. maybe hes not interested. shes into her 2nd week of season according to the owners and both dogs are same breed size and around same age.:)

can anyone please tell me what i am doing wrong and please, be nice :) thankyou in advance ill take everything into consideration.
Did you get his BAT's tested? How's his knees? BTW, getting 'health tested' by a vet means little to nothing. They have no way of knowing what the dog's gene carries. You need to know their lines, some reputable breeders knows the lines for many generations back. Pairing w/any female can be very dangerous bc if both parents carry a recessive gene, they'll pass it on to their offspring. That's great that you're getting together w/a mentor, hope she has the knowledge to guide you. Best of luck to you & your little man.

Rhetts_mama 08-23-2013 12:29 PM
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...t-breeder.html

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...-answered.html

staceytatie 08-23-2013 12:34 PM
We've had trsts done. I don't know the names of them because my other half deals with that. And yeah both thief first time I have all papers of his lines and parents were both from good family's- great genes etc. as far as I know he has no recessive gene, nothing came up in the results so-
His behaviour hasn't changed he seems the same as before. I just don't know if it was normal for this to be happening.
Thanks all again x Stacey x

lynzy420 08-23-2013 12:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 4301931)
I've seen many people come on and ask stud questions. Not everyone needs a lecture..

OP: Hopefully a YT breeder will come on an help you
Lecture? Directions on how to breed? Don't tell me how to post, it is against the rules.

capt_noonie 08-23-2013 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 4302011)
I understand. I agree, I think a mentor is very much needed. Is this your first time studding him? ( not sure the proper term LOL)
What about the female? Is this her first time..? Just make sure you do your research.. you having a male, there aren't as much risks as with the owner using the female. However there are some personality changes your male can get after he studs as well as marking issues.. Just make sure you do all your research ( most important the owner with the female) to see what can happen, the dangers of breeding both, the cost.. etc. etc

Any questions please ask..
I don't understand why you are saying some of us lecture about not breeding, when the thread about Shy you did the same. Yet on here you are pretty much telling the OP to go ahead.

Quote:
Originally Posted by staceytatie (Post 4302136)
We've had trsts done. I don't know the names of them because my other half deals with that. And yeah both thief first time I have all papers of his lines and parents were both from good family's- great genes etc. as far as I know he has no recessive gene, nothing came up in the results so-
His behaviour hasn't changed he seems the same as before. I just don't know if it was normal for this to be happening.
Thanks all again x Stacey x
I would hope that you would first learn that there is no such thing as a mini or teacup yorkie before you start breeding.

Also your male hasn't shown any change in behaviour now, but just wait until after he has bred. You will have such a headache dealing with a now working dog. Not to mention marking all over the house and trying to run away when a female is in heat somewhere in town.

lynzy420 08-23-2013 12:43 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staceytatie (Post 4301955)
Thank you. And I only came on for advice. Not to get you to tell me what to do (other abswerer)

I just needed to know if it was normal

I'll try get hold of someone to mentor me and see how it goes.

Thanks again xxx
Your asking what to do and I told you what I think you should do...yes you need a mentor, a good one. There is a lot of information in the threads on how to find one.

Lovetodream88 08-23-2013 01:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staceytatie (Post 4301508)
hey all, i came here for advice.
i have a 3 1/2 year old male yorkie. hes a miniature but not teacup.
ive had all tests etc done by vets because id like to breed him. the female has also had everything done, bth come with papers etc.

so i tookl my male to see the female and he was very interested, as a first timer with this stuff i thought it was usual that he didnt mount her. she was flagging her tail and backing into him but the first and second time all he did was sniff and lick her. after a while i took him hime and he cried the entire way. maybe hes not interested. shes into her 2nd week of season according to the owners and both dogs are same breed size and around same age.:)

can anyone please tell me what i am doing wrong and please, be nice :) thankyou in advance ill take everything into consideration.
Did you breeder sell him as a miniature if they did I can guarantee you the breeder was either a bad breeder or a puppy mill because there is no such thing and a reputable breeder does not use the words miniature and teacup. Also its very hard to get breeding rights from a reputable breeder because they work so very hard for there lines. Its also very important to make sure the female you are mating with has had all test that should be done and here lines or know or you are helping to bring sick puppies in this world that might suffer and die or just might be unwanted. I have heard after you mate you male you should expect a lot of issues one of them being peeing all over your house.

Lovetodream88 08-23-2013 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 4301931)
I've seen many people come on and ask stud questions. Not everyone needs a lecture..

OP: Hopefully a YT breeder will come on an help you
So how is this person trying to breed any different then the other person trying to breed?

staceytatie 08-23-2013 01:34 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4302177)
Did you breeder sell him as a miniature if they did I can guarantee you the breeder was either a bad breeder or a puppy mill because there is no such thing and a reputable breeder does not use the words miniature and teacup. Also its very hard to get breeding rights from a reputable breeder because they work so very hard for there lines. Its also very important to make sure the female you are mating with has had all test that should be done and here lines or know or you are helping to bring sick puppies in this world that might suffer and die or just might be unwanted. I have heard after you mate you male you should expect a lot of issues one of them being peeing all over your house.
Hey. I just used those word as I was unsure of the correct terminology. I knew the breeders owners of my dog so know that he came from reputable people. Also I wouldn't ever buy from puppy farms. It's in humane and cruel. Why would anyone do that to an animal is beyond me.
We've had both dogs checked and tested. Things are perfect on both ends. I made sure the females owners had ha her checked first. Hips and joints are tip top etc.
thanks

staceytatie 08-23-2013 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4302178)
So how is this person trying to breed any different then the other person trying to breed?
I'm not sure of what you mean here?

lovespandp 08-23-2013 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4302141)
Your asking what to do and I told you what I think you should do...yes you need a mentor, a good one. There is a lot of information in the threads on how to find one.
She was actually asking why her male was not mounting the female.. she wasn't asking if you think it is Ok for her to breed.

Lovetodream88 08-23-2013 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 4302186)
She was actually asking why her male was not mounting the female.. she wasn't asking if you think it is Ok for her to breed.
And by he post we could she she was misinformed about some things so a little info and education was needed.

lovespandp 08-23-2013 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4302178)
So how is this person trying to breed any different then the other person trying to breed?
In my book it is, two different people.

lovespandp 08-23-2013 02:21 PM
[QUOTE=capt_noonie;4302145]I don't think a good mentor would waste their time trying to help a byb.[/QUOTE

Really she is a BYB?

bellemarie 08-23-2013 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4302177)
Did you breeder sell him as a miniature if they did I can guarantee you the breeder was either a bad breeder or a puppy mill because there is no such thing and a reputable breeder does not use the words miniature and teacup. Also its very hard to get breeding rights from a reputable breeder because they work so very hard for there lines. Its also very important to make sure the female you are mating with has had all test that should be done and here lines or know or you are helping to bring sick puppies in this world that might suffer and die or just might be unwanted. I have heard after you mate you male you should expect a lot of issues one of them being peeing all over your house.
you in the UK op? many breeders here don't actually use breeding endorsements etc- something i've only noticed recently... and it tends to be the older one who don't use them.
it could well be his age playing a part as well. since he hasn't mated yet, could be his instinct hasn't kicked in when with her yet.
what tests have you had done? i only ask because not a single person in the breed can recommend to me any health Test they see as necessary before breeding here... only been told to check history for the likes of PRA and have an LP check... but that does mean knowing the lines etc. and i have to agree with lovetodream88 about the quality of breeder- to sell a pup as mini proves they don't know much about the breed (a lot of people think they are sized like poodles when there is actually only the one size classification).

chachi 08-23-2013 02:35 PM
Ive read on here it can be common for a first time stud not to know what to do thats why most good breeders want a proven stud. you probably need to assist in the whelping guiding the male t9 the female

theporkieyorkie 08-23-2013 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Lovetodream88 (Post 4302177)
I have heard after you mate you male you should expect a lot of issues one of them being peeing all over your house.

Yeppers...tell me about this!! I have a 10 y.o male that was studded out the first 7 years of his life(NOT by me) and we thought he was doing so good until 2 days ago, when I found that he'd pee'd on the side of his bed in the living room, the side of my new couch, and the trash can. And he's lifted his leg on the end of our bed too.

He DOES ask to go out and he goes out all of the time...but it's just ingrained in his brain and I will probably NEVER break him from it!!


to the OP~~Please...READ, READ, and READ more because it sounds like you are VERY VERY new to this...I commend you coming here to learn more and I pray that whomever owns the bitch is way more seasoned and knowledgeable about breeding and Yorkies in general.

capt_noonie 08-23-2013 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 4302206)
Really she is a BYB?
Well, no. Not yet. But if I had one litter, I would be one as well. If you aren't breeding to better the breed, then what are you? Certainly one litter doesn't make you a miller though.

bjh 08-23-2013 04:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by staceytatie (Post 4301508)
hey all, i came here for advice.
i have a 3 1/2 year old male yorkie. hes a miniature but not teacup.
ive had all tests etc done by vets because id like to breed him. the female has also had everything done, bth come with papers etc.

so i tookl my male to see the female and he was very interested, as a first timer with this stuff i thought it was usual that he didnt mount her. she was flagging her tail and backing into him but the first and second time all he did was sniff and lick her. after a while i took him hime and he cried the entire way. maybe hes not interested. shes into her 2nd week of season according to the owners and both dogs are same breed size and around same age.:)

can anyone please tell me what i am doing wrong and please, be nice :) thank you in advance ill take everything into consideration.
The normal practice when breeding is to bring the female to the male. Some males feel very uncomfortable out of their environment and they will not attempt to breed. Are the male and female comparable in size? The best thing to do would be to put them together in one room and let them slowly get to know each other. You should never leave them alone unsupervised. Once he does start showing interest in the female then it is always best to hold the female once the male starts mounting her because often a female will get scared and pull away once the male penetrates her.

The truth is some males are very easy to breed and some are very difficult.

Do you know what day of her heat cycle she is on? Is she still showing any color? Most females are ready to breed sometime between the 9th and 18th day. Some will accept a male before the 9th day and some will accept a male up to 21 days after their heat cycle.

Rhetts_mama 08-24-2013 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 4301931)
I've seen many people come on and ask stud questions. Not everyone needs a lecture..

OP: Hopefully a YT breeder will come on an help you
No, but it also doesn't mean that YT should be jumping up and down to be the go to breeding how to guide for anyone with an intact dog and computer.

gemy 08-24-2013 12:36 PM
Also try for a non slippery surface. Nonslip mats. If there is a large height differential he may need to be raised up a bit.

lovespandp 08-24-2013 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 4302695)
No, but it also doesn't mean that YT should be jumping up and down to be the go to breeding how to guide for anyone with an intact dog and computer.
Well no, but why is the breeding form here? I'm not saying its right, I dont think we should beat up the members that come on asking questions- they are adults they dont need a lecture, they dont need someone speaking to them like their Mothers. The Op was very nice, she didnt deserve the response she was getting-

gemy 08-24-2013 01:05 PM
For first timers in breeding be they males or females, almost anything can be normal. :-)

But it is quite normal for the first time the male is not too sure what to do especially when coupled with being in a strange environment and with a strange lass.

And I concur with using an enclosed space and ideally both owners stick around, and monitor the process, and intervene if necessary.

lynzy420 08-24-2013 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by lovespandp (Post 4302915)
Well no, but why is the breeding form here? I'm not saying its right, I dont think we should beat up the members that come on asking questions- they are adults they dont need a lecture, they dont need someone speaking to them like their Mothers. The Op was very nice, she didnt deserve the response she was getting-
There was nothing wrong with my post, nothing...YOU made it in to something it wasn't.


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