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bjh 07-03-2013 05:20 AM
Never mind.

bjh 07-03-2013 05:25 AM
Ooops, I reread the CKC rules and it does say that any litter from CKC bred dogs must be registered.

KendraE 07-04-2013 07:23 AM
I'm just wondering how the little boy is doing....

Wylie's Mom 07-04-2013 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkie-gems (Post 4260273)
gemy,
You have the right to YOUR personal opinions, but I ask that you keep those to yourself. Or start your own thread. If you wish to contribute something useful regarding this puppy, please feel free. Otherwise mind your manners, and your own business please. Thanks!;)
Just fyi, ANY and ALL members are welcome to participate in this thread - this is a public forum on which you posted. All are welcome to state their opinions, regardless of whether they support yours.

yorkietalkjilly 07-04-2013 07:40 AM
Wow, gemy, thanks for all the good information about blue borns, etc. As always, you teach me so much.

yorkietalkjilly 07-04-2013 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1 (Post 4259532)
What is really concerning is "Champion show dog" that is a carrier for this gene, and the breeder is selling dogs for the purpose of "breeding pet quality Yorkies." This is exactly how the breed is getting infused with these carriers, who are then sold as breeders, throwing more and more of these pups. I would LOVE to know the lines behind the parents of this breeding pair, since that is where the "Champion show dog" parents are..... Please contact the breeder and let her know she has a genetic fault in her lines and she needs to stop breeding those two dogs (the parents of your female) and have the rest of her dogs genetically tested for this.....especially since she is passing out carriers as "breeders for pet quality Yorkies". It only takes one carrier outcross, bred to a fabulous line of dogs, to ruin the entire shooting match she is producing....and making that original line look bad! Thois is why breeders will not sell pet quality dogs for breeding....
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pstinard 07-07-2013 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by yorkie-gems (Post 4259824)
I will continue to offer periodical updates on his progress, and note any issues he might have... to help others that have blue born pups in the future.
Hi, I was involved in the other thread on blue borns that was in the general Yorkietalk discussion forum. Sorry I'm late in coming to this thread. Please keep us updated on the health of your blue born. I expect that the worst that could happen is the development of some baldness and skin problems (Color Dilution Alopecia, or CDA), but we need more data to get an idea of how many blue borns develop CDA, and how many go on to have healthy coats.

Belle Noir 07-16-2013 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4260201)
Dd = carrier. If mated with a normal DD dog, half of the progeny will be carriers, and half will be normal. If mated with another carrier, 1/4 of the progeny will be normal (DD), 1/2 of the progeny will be carriers (Dd), and 1/4 of the progeny will be blue (dd). In a breeding program, all carriers should be neutered or spayed.

Now if you read the genetic information on that link I posted you will see that your breeding pair at least both of the two would have had to be carriers.

So if I understand your breeding records correctly your bitch had had four litters before all "normal" ie no blue borns, so she must be a Dd that mated with DD's until this last litter where in she was bred by a carrier of that gene. For if the sire was DD as well, they simply could not have a blue born pup....

So if I am doing the genetic math correctly, all litter members of your bitch especially if there are any out there breeding, and the breeders of your bitch and sire need to be notified that she carries the gene, and therefore your bitches parents must both be carriers. So that spans a whole lot of notifications. And I am aware you have sold all previous pups on a spay and neuter contract, and hopefully have some method to see if this neutering actually happened.
Just for the sake of clarification.
Unless the dam had a blue born full sibling, both of her parent may not have been carriers. BUT at least ONE of her parents is a carrier, that's for sure, because she got the gene from somewhere.

gemy 07-16-2013 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Belle Noir (Post 4271880)
Just for the sake of clarification.
Unless the dam had a blue born full sibling, both of her parent may not have been carriers. BUT at least ONE of her parents is a carrier, that's for sure, because she got the gene from somewhere.
Sorry my error, my genetic math was at fault! Yes and the important issue is from where?

If I was the breeder of the OP's female I sure would want to know, and immediately have my female tested. If she tested clear or normal, then I would feel honor bound to notify the sire's owners. And strongly suggest he be tested for the gene.


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