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xoCourtney 05-31-2013 06:50 AM
YTCA breeder referral section
 
This might be the silliest question on the forum :p but are the breeders on the YTCA "guaranteed" to be reputable?

Verbena 05-31-2013 07:58 AM
YTCA is a starting point to find a reputable breeder. We always tell everyone to talk to the breeder before purchasing. Ask lots of questions.

Yorkiemom1 05-31-2013 08:01 AM
No........not a silly question at all.

xoCourtney 05-31-2013 08:41 AM
haha okay because I found my breeder on YTCA (and I love her to pieces!) and idk if its because i'm just getting really anxious that Miley will be home in a week or what but I keep thinking the most horrible "what if's" possible! Like what if I drive 9 hours there and there is no Miley or what if the breeder gave Miley to another family or what if Miley is really a puppy mill pup, etc. my brain is going crazy!! :(:(:(

bjh 05-31-2013 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4229753)
This might be the silliest question on the forum :p but are the breeders on the YTCA "guaranteed" to be reputable?
I would say that YTCA members are much more likely to be reputable. I am glad you found a puppy that you like. We will be looking forward to seeing pictures.

gemy 05-31-2013 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4229753)
This might be the silliest question on the forum :p but are the breeders on the YTCA "guaranteed" to be reputable?
Not a silly question. And they are not guaranteed by anyone to be reputable.

magicgenie 05-31-2013 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 4229918)
I would say that YTCA members are much more likely to be reputable. I am glad you found a puppy that you like. We will be looking forward to seeing pictures.
Yes, I can agree that YTCA members are more likely to be reputable, but I know a few excellent ones who aren't members for various reasons--it takes YEARS of association with club members to get in and more years to get listed in the directory. Some of us who aren't politically inclined don't have time to jockey to get in there.
If you like a breeder who isn't a member, ask him/her why and go from there.:)

bjh 05-31-2013 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 4230131)
Yes, I can agree that YTCA members are more likely to be reputable, but I know a few excellent ones who aren't members for various reasons--it takes YEARS of association with club members to get in and more years to get listed in the directory. Some of us who aren't politically inclined don't have time to jockey to get in there.
If you like a breeder who isn't a member, ask him/her why and go from there.:)
:thumbup::thumbup: Also many of the YTCA members don't even breed or rarely breed so it is often hard to find a dog from a YTCA member.

Yorkiemom1 05-31-2013 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 4230131)
Yes, I can agree that YTCA members are more likely to be reputable, but I know a few excellent ones who aren't members for various reasons--it takes YEARS of association with club members to get in and more years to get listed in the directory. Some of us who aren't politically inclined don't have time to jockey to get in there. If you like a breeder who isn't a member, ask him/her why and go from there.:)
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

xoCourtney 05-31-2013 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 4230131)
Yes, I can agree that YTCA members are more likely to be reputable, but I know a few excellent ones who aren't members for various reasons--it takes YEARS of association with club members to get in and more years to get listed in the directory. Some of us who aren't politically inclined don't have time to jockey to get in there.
If you like a breeder who isn't a member, ask him/her why and go from there.:)
that makes sense! my breeder is actually a member and thats how I found her. I just keep freaking myself out with all of these "what-ifs"

Lisa and Pic 06-02-2013 06:13 AM
I agree with others, it could be a good starting point. It certainly worked for me when I was searching for Piccolo.

I used to think all YTCA breeders would be great, until I talked to someone on YT that said the YTCA person she was lead to believe was the breeder of her puppy for over a year, was really only the broker and she didn't find out until she went to have her pet registered with the AKC. Horrible story. We did recommend that the owner needed to report this breeder to the AKC and the YTCA, but the owner of the pup chose not to do this. Anyway, I hope/believe this is a very rare thing and that almost all YTCA breeders are legitimate.

bjh 06-02-2013 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Lisa and Pic (Post 4232139)
I agree with others, it could be a good starting point. It certainly worked for me when I was searching for Piccolo.

I used to think all YTCA breeders would be great, until I talked to someone on YT that said the YTCA person she was lead to believe was the breeder of her puppy for over a year, was really only the broker and she didn't find out until she went to have her pet registered with the AKC. Horrible story. We did recommend that the owner needed to report this breeder to the AKC and the YTCA, but the owner of the pup chose not to do this. Anyway, I hope/believe this is a very rare thing and that almost all YTCA breeders are legitimate.
How does your friend know that the person is a broker? Was it just because the person she bought the puppy was not the name of the breeder? YTCA members and other reputable breeders often help each other out when finding homes for their pups. Also sometimes the owner of the sire will get a puppy back for the breeding and the sires owner will not show up on the papers.

To me a broker is just someone that buys puppies cheap just to resale them or someone that helps sell puppies for a puppy mill. If your friend was truly deceived then the person should have been reported.

Nancy1999 06-02-2013 07:56 AM
You have been given a lot of good advice and just like any club there are members who might choose to join for the wrong reasons. While not all members of the YTCA are actually breeders, the people listed on the referral page are usually active breeders. I always advise pet owners to read the differences between good breeders and backyard breeders and when interviewing breeders don’t be afraid to ask questions, and try to find someone you can connect with, this person will be in your life for a long time! Here’s a good link that tells you what to look for in a responsible breeder. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...e-breeder.html

xoCourtney 06-02-2013 08:12 AM
My breeder was on the YTCA referral page and she has been nothing but great. I did locate closer breeders but the connection I felt with my breeder was much better than the closer breeders. That's why I chose to drive the 9 hours to pick up my puppy from her! I could've flown but I didn't want to take Miley on a plane just yet. She's going to be nerve wrecked enough just being away from what she knew.

ironmike86 06-02-2013 08:24 AM
Nothings "guaranteed" And looks like you went with you instincts. Hope it works out great. I've had a good experience with the referral page. And I come from trust nobody you know and really don't trust them if you don't know them

xoCourtney 06-02-2013 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4232276)
Nothings "guaranteed" And looks like you went with you instincts. Hope it works out great. I've had a good experience with the referral page. And I come from trust nobody you know and really don't trust them if you don't know them
I wasn't sure if the YTCA had a board or something that had to approve breeders. That's what I meant by guaranteed.

ironmike86 06-02-2013 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4232289)
I wasn't sure if the YTCA had a board or something that had to approve breeders. That's what I meant by guaranteed.
I see I dunno either. But I went to the dog show and found a breeder there who happened to also be on the list.I just wanted a healthy dog so hard to find that with purebreeds if you don't educate yourself IME

Nancy1999 06-02-2013 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by xoCourtney (Post 4232289)
I wasn't sure if the YTCA had a board or something that had to approve breeders. That's what I meant by guaranteed.
Yes, they have a board, and members can be thrown out of the club if they have been shown to break certain rules. A buyer has to make the complaint against them and have to have some type of proof. They don’t accept hearsay. Before anyone can become a member, two members have had to have known them and their breeding program for two years before recommending them as a member. It then comes up for a vote to see if the new person will be admitted. So you can see, it's not easy becoming a member.

Nancy1999 06-02-2013 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by ironmike86 (Post 4232299)
I see I dunno either. But I went to the dog show and found a breeder there who happened to also be on the list.I just wanted a healthy dog so hard to find that with purebreeds if you don't educate yourself IME
That was me, it was so important for me to find a healthy dog, it's nice that he's beautiful too, but for me health is so vitally important.

bjh 06-02-2013 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 4232312)
Yes, they have a board, and members can be thrown out of the club if they have been shown to break certain rules. A buyer has to make the complaint against them and have to have some type of proof. They don’t accept hearsay. Before anyone can become a member, two members have had to have known them and their breeding program for two years before recommending them as a member. It then comes up for a vote to see if the new person will be admitted. So you can see, it's not easy becoming a member.
If I am not mistaken I think a prospective member has to have at least two home visits by a YTCA member.

gemy 06-02-2013 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 4232328)
If I am not mistaken I think a prospective member has to have at least two home visits by a YTCA member.
I think so yes.

xoCourtney 06-02-2013 11:06 AM
Very informative thanks you all

Nancy1999 06-02-2013 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 4232328)
If I am not mistaken I think a prospective member has to have at least two home visits by a YTCA member.
I know they have to visit your home, but I wasn't aware that it was two times, I do know that they have to have known you for over two years.

Lisa and Pic 06-02-2013 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 4232223)
How does your friend know that the person is a broker? Was it just because the person she bought the puppy was not the name of the breeder? YTCA members and other reputable breeders often help each other out when finding homes for their pups. Also sometimes the owner of the sire will get a puppy back for the breeding and the sires owner will not show up on the papers.

To me a broker is just someone that buys puppies cheap just to resale them or someone that helps sell puppies for a puppy mill. If your friend was truly deceived then the person should have been reported.
Maybe the word broker is the wrong word? According to this YT member a YTCA breeder said that it was her pup for a year and the YT person picked the pup up at her house. She even sent this breeder puppy pictures, etc. The truth did not come out for about a year and that was when she pressed for the AKC limited registry. It was not one but two breeders away, if that makes sense. Anyway, she decided not to report and loves this little guy.

Do you think that breeder would be considered a broker?

bjh 06-02-2013 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisa and Pic (Post 4232469)
Maybe the word broker is the wrong word? According to this YT member a YTCA breeder said that it was her pup for a year and the YT person picked the pup up at her house. She even sent this breeder puppy pictures, etc. The truth did not come out for about a year and that was when she pressed for the AKC limited registry. It was not one but two breeders away, if that makes sense. Anyway, she decided not to report and loves this little guy.

Do you think that breeder would be considered a broker?
Is sounds like the YTCA member owned the pup and just decided to sell him. I would not consider that a broker. Since I don't know all the circumstances then it is impossible for me to say if anything unethical was done. I am just glad the YT member loved her little guy.

Do you know if the YTCA member required proof of neutering before papers were turned over? Was that why there was a delay in getting the papers?

Lisa and Pic 06-02-2013 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 4232497)
Is sounds like the YTCA member owned the pup and just decided to sell him. I would not consider that a broker. Since I don't know all the circumstances then it is impossible for me to say if anything unethical was done. I am just glad the YT member loved her little guy.

Do you know if the YTCA member required proof of neutering before papers were turned over? Was that why there was a delay in getting the papers?
Yes, that is why. All I know is this person believes she was lied to and tricked because she said she was the breeder. This breeder did apologize to her for leading her on.

bjh 06-02-2013 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Lisa and Pic (Post 4232517)
Yes, that is why. All I know is this person believes she was lied to and tricked because she said she was the breeder. This breeder did apologize to her for leading her on.
Well, I am glad they got it resolved. It was not right for the YT member to be mislead.

Brooklynn 06-05-2013 05:53 PM
A new prospective member has to have two sponsors and the sponsors have to have been a member for 4 years before they can sponsor anyone and know the new prospective member for two years and only one of the sponsors have to visit their home one time! With that said, by the time a new member joins, the sponsors should have gotten to know this person well enough to even sponsor in my humble opinion :)
As with any prospective puppy purchase always ask questions and a lot of them! Ask about what health tests they do and if they can show you proof of health tests and what type of health guarantee they provide! Get to know your breeder!

Donna

Lisa and Pic 06-06-2013 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 4236329)
A new prospective member has to have two sponsors and the sponsors have to have been a member for 4 years before they can sponsor anyone and know the new prospective member for two years and only one of the sponsors have to visit their home one time! With that said, by the time a new member joins, the sponsors should have gotten to know this person well enough to even sponsor in my humble opinion :)
As with any prospective puppy purchase always ask questions and a lot of them! Ask about what health tests they do and if they can show you proof of health tests and what type of health guarantee they provide! Get to know your breeder!

Donna
Thank you Donna! Great information and advice. I certainly adore Piccolo's breeder and she has been so helpful through the years. :)

Brooklynn 06-06-2013 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Lisa and Pic (Post 4236598)
Thank you Donna! Great information and advice. I certainly adore Piccolo's breeder and she has been so helpful through the years. :)
That's great Lisa! Your breeder should always be there for you throughout the puppy's entire life :) out of all the puppy's I've placed I've kept in touch with most with the exception of a few! I'm actually good friends with several of my puppy owners through placing them :)


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