Lets make this a board everyone is confortable on.
 

Originally Posted by Yorksrule
I agree with everything you say, my objection is the way some say it. You have not slandered anyone in your post but stated your feelings. Maybe vulture was the wrong choice of words as I don't want to revert to name calling as has been done to me. Some seem to pounce when people are just asking for advice. I don't think it's that they are really that concerned about the subject (dogs size or whatever) they just want to put the person down & belittle them.This is the way they come across to newbies. Here is a line from one of my PMs. " I would really like to tell a few people on her where to go and a few other words but I'm keeping it cool. I don't think I will post on this website anymore.. .." Is this how you want new people coming to this board for help or to make friends to feel??? Not you imparticular but I think the ones that are at fault know who they are. Come on people look at how you come across.



i so agree with this post. I am a very outspoken and opinated person. I am often misunderstood BUT, when I first joined here I was the object of some of the posts you were talking about (Or my breeder was, because my pup's mother was under five pounds). I nearly left because of it. I recieved PM's out the wazoo from other people who own and breed tinies. One even said," many, many on here have and BREED tinies. We have just learned to keep our mouths shut and go on about our business. We don't need all the drama from a few people we get everytime we post something." Looks like I am not going to have to worry about that now. My "tiny" is gonna be a BIG man. LOL

I think from now on we that are not in the select few should at least speak when we are put down in a rude or belittling way. At least say something like "You are not being nice" b/c we outnumber by far. If the reply is not obnoxious or rude fine, we can agree to disagree in print. This should let the ones that that think their opinion is not law just b/c they think that way.
Ok girls & boys let them know we are here to.

I agree this is Christmas lets put our differences aside and get along. I sure hate to hear there are some people who are uncomfortable with posting. I think this is a big board though with varing opinions and everyone should feel comfortable posting. Merry Christmas Everyone!

Hopefully everyone will have a New Years resolution to think twice & be nice with their advice & answers. If you are upset about what is on the Post & can't respond without criticizing just don't respond or wait until you are not upset about the post. I am including myself in this as I have said things I would not normally say & did in a Post that was deleted by the adms. I am glad they did as I would not want to be such a jerk. I was just in shock at some of the things that people say. I think we will see a lot more interesting conversation & more people will open up & not just watch from the sidelines.

Happy New Year

I agree.... I have not posted on a few things as a result of being new and receiving some harsh responses on posts I have made... While most of the members here have made me feel nothing but welcomed, some have made me wonder if I really liked this site... I cringe when I read some of the resopnses that people get.

I have decided that I do like this site and can see past the few who seem to fly off at the handle without thinking... Its amazing what a little seperation from a situation will do... Never respond in anger. If we all take time to think about how our words affect others we might choose them more wisely.

When I first joined I felt like everything I asked was wrong the way I was doing it. I soon realized that the people on here really love yorkies, and so do I. I think differences of opinion can be dealt with with pm's more than some of the postings. I really don't want newbies scared off. I also want to thank everyone on here for all of the information given to me. I don't know what I would do without YT!

I have learned many valuable lessons from this board and as I grow into breeding, I hope to learn many more. There are some terrific, knowledgable people on here and even some of those respond in ways that seem rude at times. I don't think they mean to but they do. There is way too much drama going on about different things in the name of "loving our yorkies". But, hey, I have been quilty also. I think I might even have offended someone today and I can't even find the post now. I didn't mean to but I did. If anyone has been offended by me, I am truly sorry and apologize.

Here here!
 

Nicely said!

This may sound a bit harsh, but I have been thinking about this for awhile. I have heard a few say that sometimes people may be afraid to post because they are afraid they will get bashed. I submit that anyone who is afraid of being bashed knows from the start that they have done something not quite right, and are perhaps in fear of bashing because of guilt.

Anyone who has a legitimate question or comment should never be afraid to express it, no matter what kind of answers they get. These things are only words. Words cannot hurt you unless you allow them to. They cannot wound or scar unless you take them that way. Take them with a grain of salt, folks. Of course, postings with spoonfuls of sugar are better, for sure... :p

When you begin a thread, ask yourself what kind of answers do you expect? And sometimes it helps if you express that too. Tell people "please do not lecture me, I only want to know...", and perhaps they won't do it.

I love YT. I have learned a lot here. I have never yet been hurt by a post. I cringe for other people from time to time, however. I would love to see everyone live happily with each other, but the nature of the human beast would never allow that. There will always be controversy. Always be differences of opinion. Civility is needed to make this easier to bear.

Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas! Happy 2006, YT! I expect to be here for many years to come! :D

GREAT POST AND AWESOME ADVICE! :thumbup: To think...I use to be one of those that was afraid to post sometimes but then I thought screw it. I've met some wonderful people here and some not so wonderful but that's okay. I'll take the good with the bad. I love the site as a whole.

The one thing most of us have in common is that we all love our furbabies! We want what is best for them...after all, isn't that why most of us are here?

I don't agree with some of the posts (breeding tinies is #1) out there and I've voice my opinion on them. After all, this is the world wide web and things that are posted are for all out there to see. Off topic for a second...I use to wonder (and still do) why people went on those talk shows (like Springer or Montel) to talk about their personal lives then scream and yell that people were being unfair to them. Don't want people to know your personal business, then why go on the show.

People come here for opinions and advice. I still do that.

Happy 2006 to you as well!

I wasn't going to post here because it just seems negative to keep talking about this - but considering the VAST Numbers of POSITIVE posts here - there is only a small fraction of 'not so positive' posts ...

Considering the size of this site... I think it moves along pretty well. People forget - there are personalities behind each post.... so in reading different threads - we are reading peoples feelings... and each of us has a different way of expressing them.

If we all posted the same way this would be a pretty boring place to be.

I forgot to add...Jaspersmom...(Glad) - you did an excellent post - very well said :thumbup:

You are SO right! Right after I posted above, I received a couple of pm-s thanking me for what I posted...here's a cut from one..."I see you take a lot from people, and I appreciate how well you take it. I appreciate your posts, your honesty, and your frankness. You don't pull any punches, but you don't play games, either..." guess that it goes both ways.

I SO AGREE with that pm to you :) :thumbup: :thumbup:

and I have to wonder when Yorksrule said that there are many people that pm her saying they're breeding tinies - I seriously doubt that's true on this site....If it was true - why don't they post ? ....

In my opinion..... if you are doing something you are PROUD of - then you would want to share it with others & wouldn't worry about what anyone says. Of course ...people who intentionally breed super tiny yorkies really don't have anything to be proud of. Remember ...I said this is only my opinion.... :)

EXACTLY! :thumbup: Awesome, Villette, once again! :)

There really are a lot of people breeding smaller dogs, this is what the public wants. I am proud of what I do. I did try to share with others & look what happened. But I have sold 3 males to YT members, & have a deposit on another. I don't consider mine super tiny at 4lbs & a good bone structure. There do get to small & I will not breed if they are. I really like being on this forum. There is a world of information & I learn something every day. I will just except that people are raised differently than I was & try to take what they say in stride. I have just dealt with the public all my life & have never met people like the ones on this board. I am sure being on a computer & not face to face has a lot to do with it. I think an anonymous poll is in order to see how many breed tinies.

It was me that said I had many pm's from people that said they both OWN and breed tinies. Scroll up to my post for the entire thing about why they don't post. Even tho it looks like my yorkies will be standard size and after all I have learned on here thanks to you and many other wonderful people, I know better than to breed a small female, I can understand why they would say that. But, I swear, I am having a horrible time finding a female that will grow to about five pounds. I have searched for months since I learned this is the size I need.

Everyone can say whatever they want about how they're going to behave, but in the end, it's only actions that matter.

Can we just sll hold hands and sing we are the world! :rolleyes:

I heard that song yesterday - I've always loved it... :) and oooops to Sugars Mom :rolleyes: I apologise for mixing up the quotes.... :) but.... I did like your post. I know many times things get repeated over and over & it's all up to each of us whether we learn something or or just turn our heads to it.

Right on!!
 

This is ever so true... :eyeballpc

I have one simple concern about the breeding tinies. When there is a problem why are the breeders who breed 5 pounds and larger females the ones who are contacted.

If there is such a population of breeders here on YT breeding little ones- you need to step up to the plate. Take the phone calls in the middle of the night- get up here with your stats and information about your breeding program. Give your wealth of information to those who are breeding the little females. How many posts do we have a week at least three to four that deal with a pregnant tiny female.

If I posted on a thread that I was breeding a 15 pound female with my 20 pound male-And that I needed help - problems with the pregnacy I would get just as many comments as the posts who are about breeding a smaller yorkie.
I would be told over and over again about the standard and the dogs were too large.

Many of us who state do not breed the tines did this one time in the past or know people who did with terrible results.

You have every right to say we are breeding to big of females if you choose.
No one has ever been stopped from stating their thoughts. That is the fun of debate and discussion.

We have dogs on here that IMHO should never have been bred when I look at the pictures that are posted. Do I PM anyone NO. Do I make a comment that your dog is not breeding quality NO. If you ask me to look at your dog on a thread I may give you my thoughts. Many times I say nothing out of consideration for your feelings.

This all about free choice. I am not going to knock on your door because you breed small dogs. I am not going to say you are a bad breeder or puppymill because you do. It is your choce. I do not have to agree. We all have different bloodlines- we all seem to look for a different style of Yorkie.

We all love our dogs that is the common thread that binds us all together. Do I know it all- no way. I run into new things all the time that I have never heard of or have had happen to me. You just deal with them and go on with your life.

You are so silly!! ;)

Hi,
Just my thought just in new posters in general.
I think sometimes when someone asks a question, instead of us sometimes staying on the subject we comment on the details of the post instead of the question its self.
The post goes off track to our views about the details that bother us.
To a new person Im sure its intimidating and they feel like they are being attacked sometimes. Kinda comes across like our chests are puffed out.
Hows about we let them get used to us and attack them later?.......LOL JUST KIDDING!!
Theres some fun in debating and Ive been ripped up a few times here.....but Ive also been pretty rude in the past to a few posts. I read them later and thought....why would you say that Kelly???
But anyway this is a fantastic learning forum and I have learned a great deal here and will learn lots more for sure!' So I hope when I post I dont make anyone feel uncomfortable. One thing for sure if you ask for advice, your gonna get it whether you like the results or not. I want the truth myself not a lie.

Right On!
 

Good one, Kelly!! :thumbup:

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I have been on YT for a while but don't usually post. I have had my feelings hurt and I'm pretty tough skinned. People either jump on someone and make the post something else, you get lots of pats on the back but no answers to the question or worse no response at all! I do think when someone is a newbie we should only give one reply about the "tea cup" discription... I bought a Yorkie Calandar and it even made reference to "tea cup" and I thought oh no they are looking for trouble and don't even know it! :D I think 10 people saying the same thing to someone is a bit much. I do like reading all the responses and I have learned a lot! I do like the site but I find I take a break from it for a month sometimes at a time when I get my fill of it. I think we need more Men posting on the site and maybe it would be less of a hen house... :D We all love animals and some people have lots to learn and some people never have to ask the questions because they have learned the hard way or ask the questions to their mentors off the forum. When someone has the courage to ask a question think to yourself as if it was a friend asking you. Bad breeders don't take the time to learn new information and probably don't even know YT exists.
I am glad everything is working out for Kandi and her 4 boys so far. Breeding is not an exact science but guide lines should be stepped carefully. I do believe that knowledge is power and this is where we all can be better people. :aimeeyork :aimeeyork

I actually think many times it's because people DO care that there can be 10 people saying the same thing - it shows they cared enough to

A. Bothered to even POST .....
B. It must be a pretty common opinion if so many share it.

Things do get repeated alot.... but in the end - we always have to remember there is a constant stream of people reading this site - if NO one spoke up for fear of hurting someones feelings - then how would anyone learn anything....

For instance - if someone asks breeding advise for a tiny - Would you WANT no one to say "Please Don't do it" ?

Not me....I think it's great that so many people offer up what they know or have learned and hopefully it helps that person change their mind.

I tend to think that bad breeders DO read this site - I think we have ALL kinds of people breeding who come here - they may not listen or post... but I know they're reading.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think she meant these kind of posts being repeated:


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
or
:zip: :zip: :zip: :zip:
or the response of:
"I'm not touching that one w/ a ten foot pole"
or
"sounds familiar"

etc etc etc

I disagree with the "hen house" statement. People are mostly just passionate and some of them are extremely opinionated (sometimes with what I think are horrible opinions) . Men can't even take care of themselves, let alone Yorkies :rolleyes:

:eyetearss

Sorry for the man bashing but it is the last day of the year and I promise I will do better in 2006 ;)

and yes I know there are some great men on here who absolutely can take care of a Yorkie... :thumbup: