Im glad you found a pup. Deb is a great breeder

I have a perfect puppy from Deb to! Isn't she wonderful? Thank god we found a good reputable breeder like Deb! Love the name Chance!!! too freaking cute!!!

Wow gone one day and look what I missed :eek:. Probably best I did because I probably would be getting myself in trouble on this one.:p I hope this person will go to bed tonight and give this some serious thought and stop breeding.

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WHY would she do that?????

;)Well it is America don't ya know. She can do want she wants... or so says Lori what ever...

Lori the used thong seller on Yardsaler? That's Deramus per her many, many, many ads

I know exactly what you mean Charlene! LOL I was gone one day and feel the same way!

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All because I'm a ckc breeder and I advertised on a bad site can't sell on line I must meet everyone in person that wants to buy a dog and then I decide if I sell it to them

The fact is our Laddy is from one of these paper registries that mean nothing. He is the joy of our life but I would Never and I stress Never recommend anyone buy from his breeder. I thought about breeding once, Thank God I found YT and people who knew more than I could ever hope to learn about breeding and made me think twice. I am hoping that it will make you also. If you honestly care anything for our breed and you sincerely want to do it for all the right reasons then you should spay and neuter these pups you now have, then start attending shows, get to know some good show breeders, and find yourself a mentor who can teach you how good breeding is really done. All this cross breeding and "I don't care because I am american and can do as I please" attitudes are slowly killing of what is the true yorkshire terrier. I have one who is real beauty and everything I wanted in a yorkie and then there is Laddy whom we call our heart dog, whos coat has been giving us fits for 2 years. He chews on it and ruins it no matter what we try. I personally think it is do to the inbreeding in his lines. He is the product of a father daughter breeding.
If you truly love the breed and are not in it for money please research more and do it for all the right reasons with the right dogs and the right testing to save all the rest of us from the heartache of sick illbred puppies.

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Just because my dogs are ckc doesn't make them mixed breeds ckc has full bloodedyorkies as mine are so why should I stop breeding my pups don't get 20 pounds by the way

Its purebred, purebred, purebred...a breeder, at the very least should know this.

At this point your input IMHO is irrelevant, you have absolutely no justification or scruples other than "its America" you have no regard for the pups you are breeding and selling.

What a relief, I was so worried about the thong wearers of America.

Laddy is only 5lbs and they said he is purebred also but we will never really know now will we. Why because there is no way of really knowing without a dna test. He is a beautiful sweet little man but does have some silky traits. That is the problem with the american ckc and apri papers they are worthless as far as being able to trace their lineage and know for sure. It looks like you are going to breed no matter what we tell you so I won't waste my time anymore. I will pray that any puppies you sell remain healthy not for your sake but for theirs and the unsuspecting buyers of them.

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Let us start with a few questions; shall we? Have you championshiped your dogs in any kind of show venue? Have you had them at least evaluated by a very experienced show breeder, as to how well they meet the standard for the breed? You have not done the genetic and pre breeding testing, why not?

If you are breeding off standard Yorkies with the wrong coat type and color, from unknown health lineages,and oversized, then you are doing a dis-service to this breed, and to the future owners of your pups.

We have enough health problems in Yorkies, temperament problems, and quite simply YOrkies being bred that don't meet the standard producing pups that in themselves deviate more from the standard, that it is becoming embarrassing to try to understand what is a Yorkie anymore.

You will never ever get to improve your lines by breeding ckc yorkies. No reputable breeder will sell you a female, or stud out their male to your lines.

Thank you Sherry, my thoughts exactly!!!

I'm sorry Gemy for derailing your attempt to reach this person again...Thank you for doing what you do for the pups!

Lori- Gemy is a fantastic breeder of other breeds. You would learn so much if you'd just open herself up to the fact that CKC pups shouldn't even exist. By that, I mean, EVERY dog owner deserves to know the lineage of their animals & what medical testing has been done to ensure that lineage. CKC to an educated buyer is a huge red flag that shows none of this has been done.

Thanks Norma, but really just one breed the BRT. And yes I have a GCH male Yorkie, who may be bred if his breeder finds a good match for him. I also have a GCH male BRT. Who I pulled last year from my breeding program. Why? Because he came up with his last CERF;s with get this Juvenile Cataract at 5 yrs old..... Small in the right eye, doesn't infringe on his vision according to the opthamologist but there. Coupled with what I now believe to be DLSS; two counts and you are out. I had frozen his sperm, because he was such a grand representative of the breed. This was when he was two years old, and winning a whole lot of everything in sight. I can not countenance passing on this to any future pups either the cataracts or the DLSS which btw has never been shown to be present in the BRT breed! I in a moment of true strength had his sperm destroyed so that I could not be tempted in the future to use it. Non breeders might not know the heartache that entailed. He is such a great dog! Perfect guard and working dog from the old lines. Stable temperament, so easily trained, so wonderfull a companion. But trust me, you don't want to meet him if you break into our home!

So depending on where you fall on the line, because I have a full male Yorkie who could be "bred" someday I might qualify as breeding two breeds.

And yes I don't have a website. Don't want one either, I want to deal one on one with folks. But I am kind of thinking of setting one up, just to get out there about the breed, the testing, the health challenges, the training necessaties et al.


So this is the true heartache of a show breeder. If money was my only concern I would have kept that sperm to impregnate my next female BRT.

I will not do this. I don't want to be tempted. And yes my Magic is still alive but what I did by destroying his sperm from a young lad, was to affirm my belief that he should not be bred. Despite his very many many good working qualities!

Gemy I'm so sorry you had to pull him from your breeding program....you have reaffirmed what a good breeder does....all to better the breed.

Sorry I have to ask what is DLSS?

Degenerative Lumbo Sacrum Syndrome.

It causes neurological impairments to the hindquarters and to the rear legs.

In German Shepherds it is thought to be a genetic inherited disease, In BRT's it has been unknown for us here in North America until Magic.

Thank you Gemy...more learning and reading for me. Magic is the first to be found to have this?....Wow!

In this breed and in North America. But that doesn't mean some other BRT has had this and it has been either un-diagnosed or un-reported. Especially if the symptoms are mild.

The definitive diagnosis is supposedly through an MRI, which I had done, after he did not heal up well from a traumatic fall/injury. The MRI did NOT confirm DLSS, this was shortly before his third birthday. But OVC stayed with their diagnosis never the less, based on clinical examination and symptoms.
So nothing definitive on Xrays, I had at 18 mths and 2yrs had hips and elbows done as we do for breeding dogs, again more Xrays and nothing showed up boney wise in terms of changes to the lower lumbar spine or sacrum.

But we continued to have had flare ups after all his physio and water rehab. If I trained him too hard in his advanced obedience, ie taking jumps (which he loves to do) symptoms would re-appear.

Arthritic or boney changes have now been noted on more recent Xrays of his lumbar spine, which would be consistent with DLSS.

Anyhoo that is his story as abbreviated as much as I could do.

This is why we spend lots of time and energy researching a reputable breeder. We want breeders Gemy. All she sees is what is best for the breed. Bravo. Thank you for being a breeder that we search out!