Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4282356)

Thanks for your feedback. I guess internet juggernauts like Tripadvisor.com, Homedepot.com, Amazon.com, Yelp.com, Care.com, Angieslist.com and countless others didn't get a memo that "USER REVIEWS ARE A FATAL FLAW" I guess that is why they are failing so miserably. :D

One can always find something negative with anything, if that's all one looks for. Clearly, you mind is blinded with prejudice and I am wasting my time trying to make logical arguments. However, you are mistaken if you think that your opinion is the only one out there. I will keep posting on this site and others, inviting people to visit Find a Breeder, Dog & Cat Breeds, Kittens & Puppies for Sale, Pet Articles & Forum - Vadzilla, because I am confident that we have a superior service to offer, compared to other similar sites. And while I realize it will take time for us to gain enough exposure and build our reputation, I also know that many people do recognize the value in our service and we will get there. Regards.

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4282029)

I appreciate your opinion, and I can only respond - "Rome was not built in a day". :) We just launched this site in its fully-built form couple of months ago, and we dont have many breeder reviews yet. So, yes, it will take time for us to become the valued resource for dog lovers. And that is precisely why I am posting on this and other similar forums - to get not resistance, but help from people that deal with unscrupulous breeders and puppy mills on a first-hand basis. It is up to YOU to make Vadzilla a helpful tool we designed it to be. And as much as we would like it, it would not be feasible for us to dedicate a lot of resources to be an exhaustive source of information on EVERY breed. Instead, we chose to focus on the benefit we can provide to the ENTIRE INDUSTRY. We are a small family business, and we personally dont own Yorkies, or dogs at all (allergic :( ). But just so you know - we went through a painful and long process of finding a good breeder with our two balinese cats last year, which was ultimately the reason we created Vadzilla.com.

As for my Donating status - I went through official channels and presented my case to the site admin, before I donated. I absolutely made sure that the nature of my business is understood and received specific instructions on where and how to frame my posts. I am now adhering to those instructions. Yes, my interest is mainly in advertising my service, as it relates to the breeder search, I am not denying it. I will only post when it is relevant and appropriate, just like in the case of this original post.

PS. You really have to try Amazon - they have a lot of great stuff ;)

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4282356)

Thanks for your feedback. I guess internet juggernauts like Tripadvisor.com, Homedepot.com, Amazon.com, Yelp.com, Care.com, Angieslist.com and countless others didn't get a memo that "USER REVIEWS ARE A FATAL FLAW" I guess that is why they are failing so miserably. :D

One can always find something negative with anything, if that's all one looks for. Clearly, you mind is blinded with prejudice and I am wasting my time trying to make logical arguments. However, you are mistaken if you think that your opinion is the only one out there. I will keep posting on this site and others, inviting people to visit Find a Breeder, Dog & Cat Breeds, Kittens & Puppies for Sale, Pet Articles & Forum - Vadzilla, because I am confident that we have a superior service to offer, compared to other similar sites. And while I realize it will take time for us to gain enough exposure and build our reputation, I also know that many people do recognize the value in our service and we will get there. Regards.

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4282029)

I appreciate your opinion, and I can only respond - "Rome was not built in a day". :) We just launched this site in its fully-built form couple of months ago, and we dont have many breeder reviews yet. So, yes, it will take time for us to become the valued resource for dog lovers. And that is precisely why I am posting on this and other similar forums - to get not resistance, but help from people that deal with unscrupulous breeders and puppy mills on a first-hand basis. It is up to YOU to make Vadzilla a helpful tool we designed it to be. And as much as we would like it, it would not be feasible for us to dedicate a lot of resources to be an exhaustive source of information on EVERY breed. Instead, we chose to focus on the benefit we can provide to the ENTIRE INDUSTRY. We are a small family business, and we personally dont own Yorkies, or dogs at all (allergic :( ). But just so you know - we went through a painful and long process of finding a good breeder with our two balinese cats last year, which was ultimately the reason we created Vadzilla.com.

As for my Donating status - I went through official channels and presented my case to the site admin, before I donated. I absolutely made sure that the nature of my business is understood and received specific instructions on where and how to frame my posts. I am now adhering to those instructions. Yes, my interest is mainly in advertising my service, as it relates to the breeder search, I am not denying it. I will only post when it is relevant and appropriate, just like in the case of this original post.

PS. You really have to try Amazon - they have a lot of great stuff ;)

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4203408)

Also, AMAZING YORKIES is Amazing!!!!

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4282445)

OOOOhhhhh....another smiley abuser.....great....

Originally Posted by sugarmamma (Post 4282712)

Use those TAGS :D

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4281942)

You missed the point of my post. The goal of Vadzilla.com is to enable people looking for purebred puppies and kittens find a breeder. Nothing more, nothing less. As I emphasized in my post, it is up to the customer to evaluate breeders that advertise with us. Does Amazon.com guarantee the quality of all products sold by various merchants through their site ? I don't think so. They also get commission from the merchants that sell through them. Does this automatically make Amazon a team of scam artists ? Can you honestly say that you have never purchased from Amazon ?

Be careful making quick judgements, after spending 2 minutes on site. One difference Vadzilla.com has over other similar sites is that we have breeder reviews. So if you really feel strongly about a certain breeder (the one that you wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole, for example) and would like to warn others - PLEASE, REGISTER WITH US AND POST A REVIEW! That would do way more service to the community than simple bashing of a service provider.

The main reason why I am posting at this site is so that people like OP are aware of the tools available to them, and ultimately post reviews for breeders they find. Hopefully with time, enough review data will be accumulated, that it will be much easier for potential buyers to simply go to our site and make a quick and easy call on each breeder, instead of going through endless sources searching for recommendations. And we do have some specific pointers in our FAQ on how to interview a breeder, with a more information coming in the near months. Our site is still very new.

Finally, I never claimed that Vadzilla is a Yorkie-specific site. I dont see why it automatically makes it a scam site, as you portrait it. It is likely we will feature the breed in our blog at some near future, but if you are only looking at sites that have helpful articles on Yorkies, you might want to look elsewhere. :animal-pa

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4282344)

Thanks for taking the time to read my replies completely. :thumbdown

Just FYI - our breeder database was created from multiple sources and was published just a few weeks ago. None of the breeders actually paid anything to Vadzilla.com for current listings. This free trial period will expire in about 2 months. At that time, it is likely that majority of breeder listings on Vadzilla will become inactive and will not be visible to site viewers. It is also very likely that IF customers make and effort and start posting DESERVED negative reviews to certain breeders, those breeders will no longer advertise with us. It is simply not worth the effort for most people to pay for advertisement and fight negative publicity at the same time. So, you see, from our business perspective, it is NOT in our interest to have reviews. But we implemented them anyway, because we knew how sensitive the community is to the "puppy mill" issue. Of course if everyone keeps closed-minded point of view, and prefers bashing instead of acting, nothing positive will come of it.

Anyway, thanks for the feedback, believe it or not, it is helpful. We will try to think of ways to implement improvements to our system to address your concerns.

Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4282754)

I"m confused. So your website sets you apart from all the others already out there and Google bc you want to have reviews of your listed breeders or bc you don't want to have reviews?

Also what's stopping your paid advertisers from posting their own raving reviews? On Yelp they have a "complicated math algorithm" that filters out "fake" reviews, and that often does NOT work. How will you deal with this issue? Alternately, how will you deal with those trying to "out" bad breeders without actually having done business with them?

Originally Posted by Ldyrev1 (Post 4202893)

Hi, I don't know if I should be posting this here but I wondered...if I would like to purchase a yorkie puppy from a good breeder associated with YT...where would I look? Who could I contact?

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4282810)

We DO have reviews on the site. Most, if not all, breeder directories don't. Google doesn't have a breeder directory. Yes, it is tricky to implement and is still work in progress. Currently each registered user (including breeders) can only post one review per breeder. Breeders are not allowed to post reviews of themselves. We will be installing additional filters in the future, depending on need and demand, and if it becomes an issue. Breeders will be allowed to post a single rebuttal to every review, to eliminate a bad-mouthing and bashing by competing breeders. At the beginning we will carefully monitor and moderate the reviews, to make sure they are not abused (similar to the way posts are moderated on this forum). Thanks for an intelligent question !:thumbup:

Originally Posted by Breny (Post 4282927)

Good luck in your search! Its always a fun and amazing time when adding a new baby!
I am a long time member here at YT and I sometimes have babies.

Feel free to contact me privately and maybe at some point I can help if I have what your looking for :) Take care!

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4282810)

We DO have reviews on the site. Most, if not all, breeder directories don't. Google doesn't have a breeder directory. Yes, it is tricky to implement and is still work in progress. Currently each registered user (including breeders) can only post one review per breeder. Breeders are not allowed to post reviews of themselves. We will be installing additional filters in the future, depending on need and demand, and if it becomes an issue. Breeders will be allowed to post a single rebuttal to every review, to eliminate a bad-mouthing and bashing by competing breeders. At the beginning we will carefully monitor and moderate the reviews, to make sure they are not abused (similar to the way posts are moderated on this forum). Thanks for an intelligent question !:thumbup:

Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4283446)

But what would stop breeders or their . But in reality, real reputable breeders don't need to advertise, and I think that is the fatal flaw for your site.

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4282810)

We DO have reviews on the site. Most, if not all, breeder directories don't. Google doesn't have a breeder directory. Yes, it is tricky to implement and is still work in progress. Currently each registered user (including breeders) can only post one review per breeder. Breeders are not allowed to post reviews of themselves. We will be installing additional filters in the future, depending on need and demand, and if it becomes an issue. Breeders will be allowed to post a single rebuttal to every review, to eliminate a bad-mouthing and bashing by competing breeders. At the beginning we will carefully monitor and moderate the reviews, to make sure they are not abused (similar to the way posts are moderated on this forum). Thanks for an intelligent question !:thumbup:

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4283463)

Yeah but that puts us at a huge dis-advantage. Let us face this the internet is here to stay. If I don't put up a website, to say a whole lot of things about the breed, get the facts out there, and say, guess what this is what you are paying for. I leave it to all the commercial type folks to spread mis-information un-checked.

I have always resisted doing this web thing, as I NEED TO and must meet my purchasers face to face. But slowly I am beginning to see the need.

I just don't know how to do it, that I am immersed with responding to folks on the internet, who in no way can meet me or I, them.

Phew.

And I will say, judging by me, many very good breeders don't have websites, some very good breeders do of course, and lash me ass I don't know how to tell the two apart.

Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4283446)

But the most concerning part of your site to me is there is no screening for these breeders to advertise, and normally advertising to sell an inanimate object would make sense to pay for ads, but these are living breathing creatures we are talking about. Don't you think you owe it to the animals that there is at least some type of screening? Really I think THAT would make your site better in actuality. But in reality, real reputable breeders don't need to advertise, and I think that is the fatal flaw for your site.

Originally Posted by normarae63 (Post 4279041)

Hi Miss Diane! Just curious how your new(ish) pup is doing? :)

I also want to emphasize for those that may be reading through the Forums, how important Lynzy's statement here is. There are very good breeders here on YT that I wouldn't hesitate to inquire with but at the same time I'd say use caution. It's a real shame we've lost a few GREATS over the years.

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 4283235)

You have nothing in place to stop breeders or their friends from posting either rave reviews about them selves.

Again, NOTHING about your site makes it any more reputable than Kiji or Puppyfind or the local classifieds. It's buyer beware and you ought to be ashamed of yourself for giving bad breeders another outlet to push their puppies on an unsuspecting and uneducated public.

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4283775)

I don't know why I am even replying to this nonsense at this point. Frankly, I think that all of you who spent so much energy bashing my post should be ashamed of being so closed-minded. Vadzilla.com is not an "outlet for bad breeders", it is an outlet for ALL breeders. Two of the YT-recommended breeders are in our database too. But nobody here seems to look hard enough to see beyond their blind prejudice.

Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4283630)

That wasn't my point. Of course good breeders can have websites to showcase their hard work. I am talking about PAID advertising.

I was very much against FB and social media before too, but it was necessary for my business now and prior costume business. But with both of those, I did not PAY for advertising. Yes I paid for a url and an etsy store, but it's not the same as ads. All my business then and now are all from word of mouth. Free advertising and referrals, which I think is a lot more meaningful.

Originally Posted by gemy (Post 4283463)

Yeah but that puts us at a huge dis-advantage. Let us face this the internet is here to stay. If I don't put up a website, to say a whole lot of things about the breed, get the facts out there, and say, guess what this is what you are paying for. I leave it to all the commercial type folks to spread mis-information un-checked.

I have always resisted doing this web thing, as I NEED TO and must meet my purchasers face to face. But slowly I am beginning to see the need.

I just don't know how to do it, that I am immersed with responding to folks on the internet, who in no way can meet me or I, them.

Phew.

And I will say, judging by me, many very good breeders don't have websites, some very good breeders do of course, and lash me ass I don't know how to tell the two apart.

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4283776)

Are you Eugenia?

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4283800)

I think these two posts finally nailed it on the head. It is 21st century people, wake up ! Internet is not only here to stay, it will be replaced by something more advanced soon. Younger generation are not reading these forums, they want a faster way to get what they want, including information. Look around yourself and see people using their cell phones to do everything. Nobody reads books anymore. Do you think they will bother reading your posts ? LOL If you are so passionate about bad breeders and puppy mills taking over, give them a fair fight and use the new technology, instead of bashing it and resisting. Of course bashing is so much easier, for someone who still lives in 1970's.

We will monitor the breeder reviews on our site, and see how it goes. If it becomes a problem, we will think of something else, dont worry. Just because Yelp may be struggling (still not quite convinced that's the case), doesn't mean that everybody else has to stop even trying. Gladly not everyone in this world has a defeatist, pessimistic mentality.

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4283802)

No I am not Eugenia.

Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 4283823)

I wonder what will eventually replace the internet!

Point is, if you are offering a site that you say helps people, why can't you add in some helpful info about breed standards as well? For example, most if not all reputable breeders have a page that talks about how teacup yorkies are just a marketing ploy. Why don't you have more info on your site other than just breeders' ads?

And I beg to differ we are all stuck in the 1970s! I wasn't even alive then!

Originally Posted by lynzy420 (Post 4283851)

Hmmm then you are her husband?

Vadzilla, LLC. Which is owner of Vadzilla.com, is owned by two people who are husband and wife; who like your Vadzilla.com website claims IS "owned by two scientists" and pet lovers are also scientists. Very reputable and highly acclaimed, I might add. Pfizer is HUGEEEEEEE..... but unfortunately, Pfizer still uses animals in their testing so my question to the owners of Vadzilla.com...would be as Scientists who use animals in their testing isn't it a conflict of interest to claim then to be able to help "consumers" find the PERFECT PET? I am not rendering my opinion on Animal Testing...I am merely asking, why 2 highly educated, highly intelligent people such as the owners of this website, of which you claim to own, who obviously earn a very handsome and deservingly income now want to further that income to include animals...ya know like making even more money off the backs of animals...ethically....I don't understand this other than you are just looking to make MORE MONEY...

This is land I've not traveled, I am not an extremist and I am not a Peta supporter...I'm just having a lot of trouble with understanding this angle, all I see is money to be had...

Originally Posted by genesmasher (Post 4283894)

WOW, SERIOUSLY?!! How low can you people go? You all claim to have such high morals yet you don't hesitate to cross any lines !

Fine, if you really want to know, Eugenia is my wife, and she is the only provider in our family of four right now, because I lost my job two years ago. Yes, smart scientists lose jobs too, because the world is full of people with poisonous mindset, just like this forum. Clearly, when you run out of arguments (which happens quickly), you either repeat yourself like a broken record, or simply go low, despite your proclaimed values. What a pathetic attack.