I just want to clarify this. It is the color and amount of the discharge. As many of you have posted that you have had bad experiences with green discharge before delivery is indicative of a dead pup. What color was the discharge and how much was seen? Like I have said dark greenish black discharge in copious amount is a danger sign but minimal green discharge in a more greenish color is not. This has been my experience and the experience of other breeders.

We all have had different experiences with green discharge and each of us can only do what we feel we must.

I also must clarify--
 

It is BEFORE the birth of the FIRST whelp that blood or green discharge are signs of trouble.

Last litter of mine did have green discharge all pups viewed on xray at day 58 were alive and accounted for. So we will just have to agree to disagree.

I've never noticed a green discharge before the birth of any pups. I've also never delivered a dead pup.

I don't agree with what you've posted for a couple of reasons. First, it has not been my experience. Secondly, assuming Ms. Harris is correct, what she is saying would require a high degree of subjectivity in discerning what is the correct tone of green and what is meant by copious. Given that, I would not pass along this tidbit as it may cause someone to not give the proper concern in the event this were to happen in one of their dams.

It's pretty easy to see what I mean by just looking at what you posted from her.

"There is a great deal of misunderstanding about the color green in the field of the canine whelping experience. This failure to understand what the color green is, and what the color means, is widely misunderstood by everyone from the first time dog breeder eagerly awaiting the first litter, to the most experienced of all dog breeders. It extends into the veterinary community as well."

If there is a failure to understand this all the way up to veterinarians, then it is obvious that this advice could be dangerous. Better to err on the side of caution when the life of the dam and the litter is at stake.

A lot of discrepancies among you. But for me there is no doubt that dark greenish discharge before the whelping =dead puppy because I saw it with Kissie.
But forget bad things and we have to celebrate life and our love for our dogs and puppies.
Merry Christmas to all of you.
Vivi, Coco, Kissie and Cokie:aimeeyork:animal36:animal36

The best piece of advice for any health issue.

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'If there is a failure to understand this all the way up to veterinarians, then it is obvious that this advice could be dangerous. Better to err on the side of caution when the life of the dam and the litter is at stake.[/
I always go with "evidenced based outcomes".

Okay let me state this one last time and I am done. It seems that posting the article has caused some discord here. But lets not forget I did also post this


"I have been on both sides of the spectrum with it. One litter was totally lost , and the other all came out beautifully. I don't think it is just the green discharge that the article is referring to it is more about the color and amount. With the litter I lost it was a dark green to almost black discharge that was oozing out continuosly. With the more recent litter it was just a very small amount and it was more greenish in color. With the most recent litter she also whelped within the 24 hour time. Was I scared you betcha because of my previous dealing with the green discharge. A friend I was talking to told me about the article and shared it with me and I took on a different perspective. This same bitch also had 4 pups one right after the other then went to sleep and an hour later out pops the 5th pup. Surprised both of us. After she had the 4th pup I was ready to head to the vet because I knew from the xray there were 5 in their. But that same friend pointed me to another article from Myra called the whelping pause. I had never experienced it so I was all set for having a c section done for the last pup. But my girl was not in distress.
I believe that this is another reason breeding should not be done unless you have done all the necessary health testing, have a mentor, watched a whelping and helped, and you know your dogs."

How do you explain this. Both times green discharge was before any pups arrived. color and amounts were different as were the outcomes. I am not saying that everyone is wrong I am just trying to point out that Green discharge before a pup is not always indicative of a dead pup.

Each of us has had our own experiences and I shared mine and shared an article that was helpful to me. I did not intend to get into a peeing match with others. So from now on I will let others who are obviously so much more experienced than I am help out. Apparently I have so much more to learn . Then when I think I finally know all there is to know I may give advice or share my experiences again. Toodles.

I think the biggest issue here is what to do if you see a greenish discharge before delivery. The OP did the right thing by taking her to the vet. The vet felt the best thing to do was to wait. I have been told that a bitch has a much harder time delivering a puppy if it is already dead. That could have been the case here because it seems that the bitch had a long hard labor. Perhaps the second puppy did not survive because of the long labor. We will never know. Fortunately the 3rd puppy was able to survive.

Whelping puppies can be very worrisome and sometimes tough decisions have to be made. Had the vet chose to do a c-section he might of saved all the puppies or the c-section could of caused other serious problems. Sometimes things turn out good and sometimes they don't; sadly that is the hardest part of being a dog breeder.

Anyway, I just wanted to OP to know she did a good job and I pray the momma and baby are doing okay.

What an adorable picture.:) Thank you so much for sharing your experience. That is how we all learn. You handled the situation well. Merry Christmas to you and best of luck with the momma and baby.

I am so sorry that your little gal had to experience this loss. She'll have her paws full with just the one and can pay extra attention to her. Good luck !