Fare price?
 

Looking into buying a 10 month old babydoll faced registered girl. She isn't from "champion" blood lines but good ones. With breeding rights! Is $3500 way to high a price?
Thanks

In my opinion it is a ridiculous price. How much does this girl weigh at 8 months? There is much more to consider than a 'baby doll' face when looking for a foundation female. Breeders that use the term 'baby doll face' are frowned upon by the YTCA. It is very important that you study the Yorkshire Terrier standard and have a good understanding of proper conformation before choosing a female for breeding. A sound body is much more important than a pretty face.

There are a whole lot of questions that you didn't supply the answer to:

1) What registry is this girl registered with?
2) What are all health tests that have been done on the breeding pair?
3) What health tests have been done on the 10mth old? You want specific ones
4) BabyDoll face is not a term commonly employed for show quality Yorkies
5) What are the health problems that have cropped up in the breeding lines?

IMO $3500 for a female from non champion lines, who if "she has a babydoll face" which is not to the approved standard is way too much money.

If there are no health tests done and posted to the approved health sites; I'd pass on by.

In my opinion that a ridiculous price! Do you have experience with breeding? Have health tests been done? Are you looking to breed her? If so why? If not for the betterment of the breed, then you shouldn't be breeding. How much does she weigh at 10mths? She may be too small for breeding, or not of breed standard which says not to exceed 7lbs. What resistry is she registered with...as far as I know the only reputable registry in Canada is the Canadian Kennel Club (CKC). You might want to check into these things before forking out 3500.00.

I missed the 'non champion blood lines'. Nope i wouldn't, not when you can get a beautiful puppy of the same quality for far less. JMO

Thanks lady's. She should finish around 5-6 lbs. She is from the USA and is akc registered. I just love the look of the shorter nosed yorkie. I had a pritty good feeling that was a far fetched price for not being from champion blood lines. I have looked into her lines and they are good but no champions of yet! I wouldd totally ask for health tests and also contact the breeder who owns both sire and dame. I am very stressed over the price as I just love the look and aperance of the little girl.

I have a silly question off topic but I'm curious.

Does it matter, but why would you get an AKC dog if you are in Canada?

Can you mix the AKC and CKC dogs?

As both AKC and CKC recognize each others' reputable registries then yes you can.

All my breeding dogs are dual registered with both CKC and AKC, as I show in both USA and Canada. And their litters are dual registered as well.

This makes for ease of transfer and registration within both countries.

Sometimes the dog you want is a USA dog or conversely a Canadian Dog. I have my eye on only one breeder in the States for BRT;s; and if I decide to buy from them then I will go to California to pick up my puppy.

Thanks!
I had no idea.

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$3500??? Way to much The sired and bitch would be from the top 20 Yorkies before I even thought of it. Imo to much for me. I don't breed or show so wouldn't benefit me. But you if you have the $$ and it's what you want then who cares?? Way over prices. If the nose is to short it's not standard. But that doesn't matter if thats what you want. I bought my pup because the the nose wasn't short but it was smaller than the rest of the litter. But I paid less than 1/2 what you did and 90% of the line in Champion. Akc and Ckc

I take it you want to breed this dog is that right? You are probably looking at a puppy mill dog. They tend to advertize on fancy websites with words like "tea cup" and "baby doll." You are looking at trouble. Yes, at that price you should be looking at a top championship line with wonderful show prospects.

You can buy from a reputable show breeder and get a lovely delicate featured baby for around $1500.00. No reputable show breeder is going to sell you a show prospect if you have no show knowledge or experience. Breeding stock is going to cost more but a good breeder is not placing their breeding stock with someone who has no experience.

You can spend your $3500 on a poorly bred puppy that will more than likely have genetic issues, could arrive very sick and very possibly will never produce a puppy. Not a very good value for your money.

I didn't buy that puppy as I am really more interested in champion blood lines. I have found that almost all "reputable show breeders" Charge alot more for there puppy's than $1500. I have alot experience with breeding. I used to bred high quality non registered Chihuahuas, and I was no back yard breeder, all my puppy's were sold with a spay and neuter contract at a specific vet. All puppy's had a 2 year guarantee. I had a great reputation and still do. Im looking for a show quality Yorkie as I want to take it to the next level. I want to learn about the show ring and raising show quality dogs. The only thing Im worried about is the other breeders....lol. I've herd from many in the show ring and those retired that its a very snobby place. Alot of people thinking they know it all and like to give you there 'OPINION" judging you before they even know you......that happens alot on here as well. I haven't experienced it my self....yet. But I have seen ALOT of posts where posters step way out of there places Giving their opinion with alot of snootiness. Anyways....I have decided not to show my Maggie as her ears are not quite perfect....(she's more than perfect to me) Im thinking I wan't to start out with a little male from puppy stage and work with him and find someone close to mentor us.

Joining a club in your area would be a good start. Attend shows. Read the breed publications. Learn the lines so that when you do approach a breeder you can show them that you have some knowledge of the breed and it's background and the current winning lines. I used to groom some of my aunts show dogs and it was a job in it's self. I have never groomed a long haired toy show dog but have seen the kind of work that goes into developing a show coat. A lot of work.

I'm sorry but, I disagree! Before we bought our THIRD yorkie, I was looking to add a papillion into our mix. I searched and searched....found a broker(realized after speaking to her) who sold them for 1500.00....too many red flags for me so I kept searching. I spoke with a local woman who breeds show paps...she has been a dog show judge for over 40 yrs so I would say she knew what she was talking about. I asked her what she sold her "pet" quality pups for...she told me there was no difference in the price...she sold ALL her pups for 1500.00.. But, as ADORABLE as they are and as much as I wanted one...my heart belongs to yorkies! :p

Depends where you live on the co$t I guess. But maybe its more for breeding rights? But as said before join a club or go to the Dog Show and meet the breeders there. They all show there dogs. Find a mentor. A breeder isn't going to sell there show quality. They breed for themselves. IME they only sell to there friends or there little breeding circle..the show quality. And the Judging in the ring yeah different but who you know helps also...in the small shows anyways. If you want to show you can get in just may take time. I think they just are protective of the breed and don't want to give breeding rights to anybody they don't know. Someone can just buy a pup to breed for profit. Good breeders try to prevent this. JME/JMO

You are right, good breeders are very pickey about where they put especially their females and then their males. Most would rather place on pet contract "even Potential" show quality if they do NOT have a buyer for show that they trust.

Because I do show (in my breed) and not only in the conformation ring but also the obedience and other performance sports. I would be entrusted with either a stud or a female dog for breeding. But I have developed my reputation over 10 yrs. I do want only the best for the "two breeds" I own.

GEMY= do you have a web site?

I dont think she breeds yorkies...she breeds um I forget...its a large dog though, correct me if im wrong pls Gemy.

I have talked to you already about this as has Gemy. No reputable breeder will sell to you without co own contracts and being sure of what it is exactly you want to do. IF your only intent is to breed with champion lines with no intention of ever really getting into showing dogs, no reputable breeder will sell you a dog.
It has been suggested on other threads you posted to go to shows, join clubs, learn about the breed and the breed standard and whys and wherefores.
There has been far too many people in the past and are still trying now to buy champion lines for the sole purpose of banging out champion line puppies iwth no knowledge of the breed, no knowledge of showing dogs, no knowledge of health issues that can occur in the Yorkie and no intention of learning anything.

No I don't.

You are correct and the breed is Black Russian Terriers.

Never seen those. Nice dog. My wife wants a big fluffy dog...in the future.

Thank you - I love the breed! But they are not for the first time working dog owner.

They are super smart, but also protective (very), and require constant and early training and socialization. While bred to guard and protect humans, they do so by working closely with their owner. As such most dogs would not be very happy as a constant "outdoor dog".

They do require moderate amounts of exercise - a brisk 30 minute walk 2x per day will do nicely. Once conditioned though, they can go all day at a moderate pace. Think 4-6 hour hikes.

They are a very versatile working breed. Easily trained to do any number of things. Search and Rescue, protection of course, obedience, rally, (smaller size) do agility quite well, water rescue, draft, the list is practically endless. Some are trained service dogs, and some can be quite good therapy dogs.

Raised with children in the home, they are quite good with kids, and will be very protective of the children.

Grooming is another thing - unless you keep your dog clipped very short - that lovely big coat requires weekly brushing out, and removal of undercoat, so that mats don't abound like weeds:D

Thanks Gemy....I knew it was Black something, but for the life of me I couldn't remember the rest of the name....getting old! :rolleyes:

I don't have " outdoor dogs" I have alot of experience with Hound dogs when I was young. They are harder to train than most dogs I encountered. And experience with Akita and American Bulldogs. I'm a physical person. So exercise isn't a problem and have a large yard..And I believe in grooming my dogs everyday. I spent time with my dog(s).Brushing/ grooming imo is a good way to bond...once they get use to it. My wife likes floppy looking dogs. But I won't be getting a dog till Moki is at least a year and/or fully trained. Just gonna put that on my short list. I "assume" they do well with little dogs?? You have Yorkies? Figure that would be a good match?? Temperament wise??

Just want to mention Hound dogs are happiest with 23hrs a day to run :) Any sporting dog is High active. Unless you let them get fat. I find working guard dogs need far less exercise dogs. Thats why I don't own Hound dogs anymore. I'm to old. :) And Moki 's legs are to short to keep up with me. I'm not a small dog person. Except I just love Yokies. Alot of personality. Thanks for the advice on the Black Terrier. I prefer Terrier personalities in a dog.

Greyhounds are an amazing breed.....don't need alot of exercise. they are huge couch potato's...we owned one for many years and loved every minuet of it. So many rescues are full to the breaking point right now with greyhounds. Homes are desperately needed. Most are good with small dogs and cats....a few are not! I run a small home based rescue so loved that I could give one of these beauties a good home. When we can move to the country again I will defiantly welcome one or two back to our home. They also make great apartment dogs.

Sry for the delay, but I've been out of town holidaying, and had no internet access.

Well a good match? It depends; doesn't it always? Generally speaking BRT;s are good with all in home dogs and even cats; the caveat truly depends on their prey drive. Some have very high prey drive; but that can be managed with their in home "pack"; and will need to be as they move through puppyhood to young adulthood. The Yorkie will need to be protected from rough n tumble play of your puppy Blackie. A brt puppy will come home weighing anywhere from 15-20 lbs. Males can mature 30" in height at the withers; and weigh in up to 140lbs. Females are smaller; but can tend to be more guardy then the males.

My big male has minimal prey drive, but maximum guard/protect, and a huge toy drive. My female had huge prey drive, moderate guard/protect, and a moderate toy drive.

My young female was never allowed to exercise in the yard unsupervised with my Yorkie; and only earned the right to be free in the house with my Yorkie after she was 2yrs old. Till then it was crate and rotate.

My male was trusted in the yard with my YOrkie and in the house. How-ever when I was doing training with toys (which I do a lot of), the male was tethered or crated when I worked with Razzle. I usually swam them separately, unless I had a helper.

Your BRT will protect their pack always! And sometimes, some Yorkies can be the instigators of trouble with other dogs. So beware. Also many Yorkies are guardy as well.

As a working dog owner, you know the term, hard/soft, sharp/less sharp. You need to know the lines to understand if you are getting a BRT from working dog stock. These generally speaking will tend to be hard and or sharp, versus soft/less sharp.

I have working dog lines. So my male is very hard, moderately sharp, and very very protective. My male will guard close in, and has a dependable accerlerating threat response.

So for example off lead walk on vacation. Two Yorkies off lead as well, they were ahead of the pack. A moderate sized Rotty mix, burst through the bush, hackles raised and charged the two lead Yorkies. Magic roared, went forward three steps from me. Obeyed my stop command. The Rotty had not seen Magic until his roar. The Rotty stopped dead in his tracks. The Yorkies came when called out of danger. Rotty froze for maybe 2-3 seconds then high tailed it out of there. Phew.
So stable dependable, Magic immediately settled down upon the Rotty's disappearance; and life went on.

Let me know if you'd like to know more about the breed.

Have a great Long Weekend:D

From what I've read BRT are a lot like schnauzers personality wise, is that true?