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Oh, and to clear up just a bit, she states she does not breed particularly for tiny pups. Her male breeders are just small and tend to occasionally throw smaller pups. Most are average size for the breed :) |
I think your smart to do the testing every one should do it it would save them from surprises. The wellness bloodwork they do at annual checkups anyway so your just asking for it to be done earlier. I dont know anything personally about your breeder just what Ive read on here but I do like it that if a congenital problem shows up she lets you retain the pup but she covers expenses thats better than what most people get where you have to return the pup which no one is going to do so it renders the health guarantee useless. But most people dont buy from reputable breeders either. Reputable breeders cover the costs and dont ask you to return your pup |
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Bobbi I finally had time to go over a few things that seem like red flags to me in my opinion. She does refer to her dogs as teacups mostly on the hypoglycemia page and reputable breeders don't want to be associated with that word. I also think I remember now about her letting her puppies go at 8 weeks which is also a big no no. Small dogs should be with there mothers until 12 weeks for socialization and learning many things from there moms. Reputable breeders know this and most breeders who cut the corners in some way do it in other ways. Also most of the time that means they have given there first shots before 8 weeks normally around 6 weeks and it's pretty much useless before 8 weeks which leads to over vaccination. A lot of non reputable breeders don't like to keep the pups until 12 weeks because it will cost more and cut into there profits. I notice she does say she does genetic testing but anyone can say that I would want a list of which tests and who did them. |
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I understand how strongly some of you feel about certain things, but I am fully prepared for bringing this pup home. I'm off to bed now...we've got a long day tomorrow. Have a good night, everyone. |
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Little Biewer Yorkies in Orlando Wow, I am brand new to this forum. I was looking on the Little Biewer Yorkies website and thought their dogs were beautiful, but pricey. Now I read about this breeder's dogs having issues. Is this really a bad breeder? They don't even list their names on the website. I have found others that do. We lost our Yorkie in February of this year and we are now just ready to look for a responsible home breeder here in Florida. We will drive to the breeder's home and check it our before we purchase any pup. We were contemplating a Biewer instead of a Yorkie, but this information scares me. I know Biewer's can't be AKC, but can they be CKC? Does anyone out there know of a good, responsible Yorkie or Biewer breeder here in Florida? We live in Ft. Myers. |
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Yes it really is a bad website/breeder stay far away. |
I saw something's that where wrong with her in my opinion and I would not go with her. I think reacting so negatively shows that maybe you know she's not so great either but again just my opinion. |
At only four months old how can you know for sure your dog is fine? I think you spent an arm and a leg for this dog and don't want to feel foolish for doing so. |
The biggest red flag I see is she calls the dogs Biewer Yorkies? I thought we established that a Biewer is not a Yorkie? She sounds less than legit if she is not following the breeding program that the AKC has accepted. Some of her pups are adorable but some do not look like quality Biewer Terriers. I hope Sheldon gives Bobbi years of happiness no matter what he is. |
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Just wanted to make that clear. Have a good day. |
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Bobbi, Welcome back! This thread was never about you or your pup (he is a cutie) just as my puppymill pup is, its about the breeder, this breeder is NOT a breeder we would recommend for all the reasons sited. I am glad that you have been blessed with a pup that is so far healthy, of course I am but your good experience etc does not excuse her bad breeding practices, that is all that it is about. We are not as "insane" as you think, we are cautious and care about the pups, yours included. Again I sincerely hope your pup has a good long healthy life and that you come to see we are all "all about the pups"!!!! |
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Bobbi, Sadly I have seen the horror of this website. Good breeders have been forever damaged because of false claims. I say go with your gut. Trust your instincts. Ignore everything on this website, good or bad. I can tell you that if you post something good about a breeder, a good experience, you are attacked. This just isn't right. |
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There are many wonderful breeders here and many wonderful breeder reviews...are you a breeder? |
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I notice you said earlier that the breeder does genetic testing, and you were going to have it done as well. I'm curious about what kind of genetic testing they did and what you are going to have done. Genetic testing can be reliably used to prove parentage and to identify the breed (with sometimes questionable results), but what else can be proven by genetic testing? With liver shunt, LP, legg calve perthes, etc. while they are known to be genetic, the genes that cause these ailments have not been identified. So the breeder's claim to do genetic testing -- what exactly did that prove health-wise WRT her pups? The only benefit I can see is if she needed to prove parentage, but I don't think any health claims can be made based on what is known at this point, and I think you would be wasting your money to have Sheldon genetically tested. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think they have isolated/identified the genes that cause these major ailments. |
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I'm still very happy with my decision to get Sheldon. He has been nothing but an absolute joy. |
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You are correct in that for the major diseases you mentioned there are no genetic tests, only health screenings can be done and should be done so that you know that your breeding pair are clear of these diseases at the time of mating. There is a genetic test for CDA Color Dilution Alopecia, and one for Hyperuricosuria(which Yorkies are not predominately affected by), and I think PRA - how-ever you would still need the eye exams to rule out cataracts and other inheritable eye disease. |
[QUOTE=shelbysmom;4487098]The biggest red flag I see is she calls the dogs Biewer Yorkies? I thought we established that a Biewer is not a Yorkie? She sounds less than legit if she is not following the breeding program that the AKC has accepted. Some of her pups are adorable but some do not look like quality Biewer Terriers. Sorry, but this is not a true statement and it's not good to have mis information out there.. The dogs original name was/is Biewer Yorkshire ala Pom Pon.. they are yorkshire terriers.. there are people who claim to have something called a Biewer Terrier.. not exactly sure WHAT that dog is made up of but, the original Biewers were yorkies.. This person may be breeding the original Biewers from Germany, not whatever the Biewer Terrier is. Sorry to get a bit off topic, but again, not sure who established the Biewer was not a yorkie? Diana:animal-pa |
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sorry.. don't want to take away from this thread by getting into this debate. It's not going to be settled here. |
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Some people still use the "Yorkie" in the name more as a familiarity thing, imo. The lineage is Yorkie, the original name contained Yorkie, and *some* clubs still use Yorkie. I do not see the fact that someone calls them Biewer Yorkies as a huge red flag, but that's just my humble opinion. |
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