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8 days after tie.. Need advice, please. Earlier this month I had to leave home for a week due to some personal circumstances and I left my 3 year old Yorkie, Holly, home with my fiancé and our 1 year old baby boy, Shifu. Holly has very light spotting when she is on heat, so it is not his fault that he didn't notice it was her time. Well, they tied. I asked him a million times if he was sure, and he tells me yes, once, on the 17th of April. They are both very healthy and active dogs, free from genetic disorders and fully vaccinated for everything possible. If someone experienced can please give me any advice on what I need to start doing right now, I would really appreciate it as this has been a very sad few days for me. I have read every article I can find on the internet, but I know I cannot read enough to prepare for the actual birth and aftercare of puppies. I would like to be as prepared as I possibly can. Also, is it common for dogs to take after only one tie? Thank you. Short version: 3 year old, 6 lb yorkie, tied with 4 lb, 8 days ago. I need advice on nutrition for her, as well as what to prepare for when whelping comes. |
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the first step is to treat her like she was pregnant , a good quality puppy kibble is the best you can do for her right now if you are going to see this pregnancy to the end. right now she does not need any more than that since is VERY early. at about 32 days you can take her to the vet and have him or her palpate her abdomen to verify that indeed she is pregnant, my vet is the best at doing that she is so good she had even told me how many babies to expect..start looking in your area to see if you can find a mentor to help you thru the whelping. and Keep reading and reading and asking questions. best of luck, remember the life of your girl is in your hands now, the more you know and the more you learn the easier is going to be for both of you at whelping time.. also another solution could be an emergency spay. hugs, Carmen |
It's not too late to have her spayed....if this truly is an accident and you didn't intend for her to ever have puppies? |
Sorry correction to my post I said emergency C section, I meant a spay right now. |
I would assume i fyou have two intact adult yorkies, a male and a female, in your home your intention was to breed them. Now the deed is likely done and you will have to decide what to do now. You will need whelping help, possible high vet bills if a csection is required, as you could lose her and/or puppies or you could opt to forget the whole thing and have her spayed immediately. What is the best decision for your dogs who you say are your precious pets? |
Have your female spayed now.....this is easily done and is not a problem....if this was an accident and you do not have a good, at the very LEAST a 7 generation pedigree, on both dogs....you need to have that female spayed. Any babies born are YOUR responsibility, for the LIFE of those babies, regardless of where they are sold or sent, and that includes all illnesses, all genetic defects, etc., because THAT is what responsible breeders do. You have no experience in breeding, you do not have a minimal working knowledge of the lines in a dogs pedigree, what lines you can safely cross and which ones may have a recessive gene that can produce a genetic defect.....your best bet is to have your female spayed NOW. I am sorry but this breeding game is a crap shoot on a good day....and if you can not afford to have a spay done now, you certainly will not be able to pay for a c-section if the female gets into trouble whelping....and you will loose the entire shooting match. |
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Also have you considered that for whatever reason your female cant feed the puppies or you have a tiny one that needs supplimenting you will need to take off work or not really be able to do anything for a long time, Im pretty certain they have to be feed every 2 or 3 hours. Its really alot of commitment required of you when you breed |
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May I ask why neither of your dogs are fixed? The health benefits alone are good enough reason to do it, it cuts down the chance of many forms of cancer for them. If this were my female, she'd be going in for an emergency spay, and the boy would be getting fixed ASAP. Good luck. |
I'll just explain the circumstances leading up to this so I don't have the calvary on my behind... I live on an island in the Bahamas, where there are only two vets. One has a bad reputation, and killed my fiancés 15 pound s**t-Tzu during a routine Spay a few years ago. The other is only on the island for a week a month and told me that they do not have the equipment or proper anesthetic to spay a dog her size. He point blank told me that it is not safe during the appointment I made for her last year around this time. I am not employed, so work is not a concern for me, and I will have to order everything online, such as hemostats, milk, incase I have to feed the babies incase of an emergency, and all the necessities because we do not have a proper grocery store, such as "Walmart", here. My aunt used to be on call for pet emergencies and has delivered quite a few litters in her time, I have contacted her. I wanted advice on what I should be feeding and doing to care for my baby girl at this time to make sure she's as healthy as can be. Thank you for the advice so far. |
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The risks to your bitch to whelp without any emergency back up vet care, surely is a high one to take. The "cavalry" is here to try and give you the best advice we can. I won't speak for others, just for myself; what I believe given your circumstances, is to do all in your power to save the life of your gal. That means to spay her, right now, to find the way to do this. Please consider seriously what risk you are taking with your gal's life. |
If you can get your girl to Nassau, there are several vets there. Surely one of them has the proper equipment and anesthesia to do a spay on a 6 pound dog. I'm dismayed that the vets on your island don't have the right stuff to take care of a smaller dog. What do they do when a smaller dog needs surgery to save it's life, just put it to sleep? |
Pretty much, or they will attempt to fly it out to Florida, which is quite pricey. To live in paradise comes with a huge price of not having simple amenities. One of our vets are actually located in Nassau, that's where he flies in from. I will call around in Nassau tomorrow to see if they have another vet that specializes with small dogs. Most deal with larger dogs "Potcakes", as we have a stray problem here. I called both the bad vet, and the vet assistant on call for the one who flies in from Nassau, and they both advised me to let her continue with the pregnancy, and offered to buy one as they are familiar with her when I bring her in to buy heart guard.... Animal ethics are a lot different here. I'm considering taking her into Florida. I will have to talk to the fiancé tonight to see if he's okay with me traveling alone. |
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Also, animal ethics may be different there, but that's no excuse when you know what is right. I couldn't be comfortable with a vet who promotes unplanned breeding and not responsible animal ownership. |
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Especially when the ill equipped, ill trained vet encourages you to let the dog continue with the pregnancy, KNOWING FULL WELL HE CAN NOT HELP HER IF SHE HAS A LIFE THREATENING SITUATION.....some vet! I think it is safe to say he has ulterior motives....he wants a puppy, whether it kills your female or not! |
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As for an update on talking with my fiancé, I spoke with him earlier, and he is not comfortable with me traveling alone to another country. But I will have to see what I can do because it comes down to the health of my baby. I'm not going to be updating this thread anymore because I have not seen any advice on what I should be giving her for nutrition in the meantime. More like judging and not understanding the situation. Thank you all, I hope all of your babies are healthy and well. |
Oh my gosh; my vet is the absolute opposite. I kind of got mad at him because he kept going on and on about how I should never breed her ~ I already told him I wasn't ~ but I guess he didn't believe me until I finally had her spayed. I'm not going to tell you what to do with this unplanned pregnancy but I will say a prayer that nothing goes wrong for your girl. |
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You're not going to update this thread bc you're not getting the advice you wanted to hear....My Mom would say it's kind of like cutting off your nose to spite your face, eh?:cool: |
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I am very curious where the dogs came from in the first place as the breeder obviously did not have their best interest in mind either. |
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b) See POST NO 2 - Basic nutrition in early stages pregnancy can be found by doing a simple search on this forum. Question has been asked and answered at least two dozen times. c) Of course we understand the situation based upon what you described to us. And we have to use our judgement to give you the best advice we can. Here is what you have told us 1) You knew there was no reputable good vet care available on the island 2) When your girl was approx 2yrs old you bought a male puppy and left him un-neutered 3) By the time your girl tied with the male he was one year old. 4) By that time your gal has had at least three heats maybe 4 heats - plenty of heats for you to have had a clue when she was due again. Plus a healthy sexually mature male dog, has pretty clear behaviour patterns around a female in heat. It was incumbent upon you to ask the question of your vet, or even ask here, what are signs and symptoms of heat, how to keep two intact dogs from mating, etc, etc. Or yet again, you could do a search on the topic. So if you Fail to Plan then you Plan to Fail. As a responsible dog owner of an intact female and stud, it is your responsibility to keep separate these two dogs to avoid unplanned mating. I don't know what the breeder(s) of these two dogs think or care about the situation; but if they were sold on a spay and neuter contract, you have breeched the terms of those contracts. |
Sigh......No one was judging you just telling you the realities you face if you let this pregnancy go forward. I hope even though you wont post anymore you wll consider the advice given. Everyone here heart is in the right place and consider what was needed for your girl |
She is gone friends, because she was not getting a blow by blow instruction on care and maintainance of a pregnant female, along with a tutorial on whelping and care of new born pups. She was not actually concerned about nutrition or care of her female, she bred these two dogs and she was wanting infdormation of how to handle the situation she had gotten herself in, with possible no vet care available to her. She has shown an incredible lack of compassion for her dog, as well as for the babies to be born, and even the possible legal implications of a breech of contract. She continued to think of reasons why she could not have this female spayed immediately, in order to avoid a possible disasterous whelping situation. I guess all we can do is pray for her little female.....hopefully she will survive this whelp and the babies will be healthy and not need any medical care. Which of course, will prompt yet another "surprise" breeding....and the BEAT GOES ON. |
Is this your little girl that might be pregant? My goodness she looks like a tiny. http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/alb...ictureid=98034 I hope you know that good breeders WILL NOT breed a girl under 5 pounds even 5 pounds is very risky. Were you actually giving breeding rights with this dog? |
It is sad that anyone could think a dog this small could whelp |
I hope you have a few grand set aside for a csection. Then I hope you can even get her a csection with the bad vetting situation you have |
I know you're feeling like everyone is against you at this point but please consider the excellent advise form some very experienced people. For the health and survival of your little girl you really should get an emergencey spay done. As her Mom, she needs you to make the right decision on her behalf as she can't control the situation herself. Please do the right thing before it's too late. |
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