Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3458522)

This is totally out of line. She has been in contact with her vet and is planning to take her in for a sonogram. Looks to me like she is taking the right steps.

No one was born knowing how to whelp puppies. Everyone had to start with their first litter and even experienced breeders lose Dams and puppies.

Originally Posted by bellemarie (Post 3458732)

yorkietweetie, I wasn't just being horrible and pinickity; I have asked you questions in both threads that are relevant and helpful... Can you still get in touch with their breeders; if they are reputable, I imagine they will be more than willing to give you the info...
It was completely out of line for an automatic response to this particular situation to tell you to spay- but I have seen situations where it was, or would have been, the best option... To me, the life of the mother is always more important- but this isn't supposed to be an abortion debate and the father is a yorkie to so unless your girl is a tiny and him huge I doubt she'll Need a spay!


But I don't think we should take anything for granted when literally dealing with life or death and I Do think it is necessary to point out everything that can go wrong if the breeder hasn't already came across it...
Eg. There was a woman I know of a while back who bred her yorkie so her and her kids (4 and6 I think) could see the miracle of birth; out of a litter of 5 only one survived- 2 had no backend and where therefor Very stillborn, one was far too small and died a few hours later, and another (because she let the dog cut the cords) had the cord ripped off rather than cut and bled out from it's tummy... The mother then took infections and was in intensive care for weeks.

A horrible story I know, but she had assumed all would be textbook and had the worst day of her life, and it was only because she was told the signs of an infection in advance that she saved her girl. I didn't say this to be horrible or scare you, but you all have to realise (this isn't just directed at you yorkietweetie, but 1st time breeders on general) that so much can go wrong, an after countless years of breeding, the more experienced on this site have seen a lot and worry about what will go wrong from time to time to different members, and more importantly, their dogs- (hopefully Never again to the extent above) so make sure to read up on everything that could go wrong- with any luck if you know it all, you won't need it!

After-all, if I want a sunny day, I just need to take a big bulky umbrella with me!!

And a sidenote- bitsy, hats off to you! :)

Originally Posted by yorkietweetie (Post 3458762)

Thanks for the info, I just think it is a little harsh the way ppl are coming off, I am completely aware that something could happen and that is why i am doing research as well as going to the vet and getting info from them. i was hoping by signing up on this site that i would be able to get helpful info. i just think some of the comments are a little over the top.

Originally Posted by Ringo1 (Post 3458789)

Well, I certainly would never say what you should do. But I do not equate spaying a dog with aborting a live fetus. Two different arguments.

But I do not think it would be totally out of the question ~ to sit back and think ~ 'Am I ready for this" and "What am I going to do with these little lives that I allowed to be created?"

A little introspection about how this 'accidental' pregnancy occurred and whether you (the universal YOU ~ not you personally) are really ready to take this on. To properly place puppies; to handle the costs and dangers to your girl.

No, I do not think it's out of the question to do a little soul-searching about what might be the right thing to do.

Originally Posted by Ringo1 (Post 3458789)

Well, I certainly would never say what you should do. But I do not equate spaying a dog with aborting a live fetus. Two different arguments.

But I do not think it would be totally out of the question ~ to sit back and think ~ 'Am I ready for this" and "What am I going to do with these little lives that I allowed to be created?"

A little introspection about how this 'accidental' pregnancy occurred and whether you (the universal YOU ~ not you personally) are really ready to take this on. To properly place puppies; to handle the costs and dangers to your girl.

No, I do not think it's out of the question to do a little soul-searching about what might be the right thing to do.

Originally Posted by bellemarie (Post 3458809)

From what I understand she has made herself fully aware of the implications of her actions, and therefore the pups have a heck of a good chance- as good as it can be really! Soul searching is for before a mating takes place, not after. It wasn't 'accidental' it was a deliberate mating as she said, her husband wanted to breed (or was that info on the other thread?)

A spay is not an option in this case as she has already said that will not be happening, so lets just get of that subject and try to offer any more Relevent advise we can, yes?
If we as an online community want to stop unnessesary yorkie deaths, disregarding what the breeder is saying and trying to get them to abort a perfectly viable litter isnt exactly going about it the right way... There have been many cases lately where that has been the right thing to Suggest, but once they say an absolute no- it's time to move on.
Because if this, I imagine there are so many that after reading previous threads such as this one, wont want to have to go through the same, so won't bother asking for help and assistance, possibly leading to an unnecessary death or two.

Yorkietweetie, have you started to get your whelping kit together? Do you know what you are going to use as a bed for them- going with an x-pen?

Originally Posted by bellemarie (Post 3458809)

From what I understand she has made herself fully aware of the implications of her actions, and therefore the pups have a heck of a good chance- as good as it can be really! Soul searching is for before a mating takes place, not after. It wasn't 'accidental' it was a deliberate mating as she said, her husband wanted to breed (or was that info on the other thread?)

A spay is not an option in this case as she has already said that will not be happening, so lets just get of that subject and try to offer any more Relevent advise we can, yes?
If we as an online community want to stop unnessesary yorkie deaths, disregarding what the breeder is saying and trying to get them to abort a perfectly viable litter isnt exactly going about it the right way... There have been many cases lately where that has been the right thing to Suggest, but once they say an absolute no- it's time to move on.
Because if this, I imagine there are so many that after reading previous threads such as this one, wont want to have to go through the same, so won't bother asking for help and assistance, possibly leading to an unnecessary death or two.

Yorkietweetie, have you started to get your whelping kit together? Do you know what you are going to use as a bed for them- going with an x-pen?

Originally Posted by chachi (Post 3458820)

I wouldnt have advised spaying in this case but I think soul searching when it comes to bringing lives into this world where we have a pet overpopulation problem should be before, during and after. Its serious and it just seems some breed willy nilly and encourage others to do the same like them

Originally Posted by bellemarie (Post 3458861)

Sorry ringo1- I misinterperates what you were saying in ur 2nd par... I thought you were taking a pro-spay stance...
I agree with what you are saying- people shouldnt be so cavalier in their choice to breed, but I think this one. Seems to have been done to the best of her ability... And most of my post was just in general anyway- not specifically at you... Sorry for the misunderstandings! :)

Originally Posted by yorkietweetie (Post 3458881)

Please dont think I am trying to breed all willy nilly. I totally under stand the over populated pets.