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OwnedByJezebel 01-04-2011 06:32 PM
Does anyone know this breeder -- Eden Valley?
 
I saw an online ad for a Yorkie that was obviously a scam (I am not looking to buy one, and wouldn't buy this way, I just get curious). They gave a website address ( ryansbullies.tk ), and I just went to look at it out of curiosity.

On the scammer's website, ryansbullys.tk, they used the name "Eden Valley Yorkshire Terriers." Nosey rosey that I am, I googled "Eden Valley" to see what I could find. That brought me to a completely different website, and it looks to be the website of a very legitimate breeder and exhibitor.

Not only is the scammer using this breeder/exhibitor's kennel name, they have totally copied entire sections of text (plagiarized) from her site. Oh, but they do manage to add, at the bottom of the page, that the text is copyrighted by Eden Valley, just so we are aware that it is illegal to copy it without permission! And ... the scammer displays the YTCA logo on their website.

Compare for yourself:

Scammer: ryansbullies.tk
Eden Valley: Yorkshire Terrier Breeder for 38 years

Does anyone know this breeder? She needs a "head's up."

The nerve of some people.

Furbaby Friend 01-04-2011 07:22 PM
OMG that's terrible :eek:. I don't know this breeder, but maybe someone does.

I would suggest using the contact info on her website and send her what you found out. That way you know for sure she knows what is going on.

Mardelin 01-04-2011 07:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 3381147)
I saw an online ad for a Yorkie that was obviously a scam (I am not looking to buy one, and wouldn't buy this way, I just get curious). They gave a website address ( ryansbullies.tk ), and I just went to look at it out of curiosity.

On the scammer's website, ryansbullys.tk, they used the name "Eden Valley Yorkshire Terriers." Nosey rosey that I am, I googled "Eden Valley" to see what I could find. That brought me to a completely different website, and it looks to be the website of a very legitimate breeder and exhibitor.

Not only is the scammer using this breeder/exhibitor's kennel name, they have totally copied entire sections of text (plagiarized) from her site. Oh, but they do manage to add, at the bottom of the page, that the text is copyrighted by Eden Valley, just so we are aware that it is illegal to copy it without permission! And ... the scammer displays the YTCA logo on their website.

Compare for yourself:

Scammer: ryansbullies.tk
Eden Valley: Yorkshire Terrier Breeder for 38 years

Does anyone know this breeder? She needs a "head's up."

The nerve of some people.
Eden Valley Yorkshire Terriers/Delores Kauffman is Legit.....She's in Weimar,CA. Member of YTCA since 1976.

So, I don't know what is going on.

Furbaby Friend 01-04-2011 07:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3381209)
Eden Valley Yorkshire Terriers/Delores Kauffman is Legit.....She's in Weimar,CA. Member of YTCA since 1976.

So, I don't know what is going on.
Looks like a scammer is mimicking her website. I don't know much about legal stuff and if what he is doing can be served with a cease and desist order or formally prosecuted for ruining reputation. However, you might want to let her know... there is no e-mail listed on her website (that I can find) so it makes it hard to contact her.

kjcmsw 01-04-2011 07:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend (Post 3381212)
Looks like a scammer is mimicking her website. I don't know much about legal stuff and if what he is doing can be served with a cease and desist order or formally prosecuted for ruining reputation. However, you might want to let her know... there is no e-mail listed on her website (that I can find) so it makes it hard to contact her.

I thought "reputable" breeders didn't advertise their championships? Does it really matter who got the championship?The original owner or the past owner? Either the dog is a champion or has champions in its line or it is not. Not trying to start an argument, just seems like there are different rules for different people, as such hard to tell what's really right. There are all sorts of ways to say: "Champion Bloodlines" and "breeding champions since ..." is just another way of saying it (IMO)

Furbaby Friend 01-04-2011 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjcmsw (Post 3381231)
I thought "reputable" breeders didn't advertise their championships? Does it really matter who got the championship?The original owner or the past owner? Either the dog is a champion or has champions in its line or it is not. Not trying to start an argument, just seems like there are different rules for different people, as such hard to tell what's really right. There are all sorts of ways to say: "Champion Bloodlines" and "breeding champions since ..." is just another way of saying it (IMO)
I'm just going off what the OP said. She said this website was in a supposed scam ad she saw and it is mimicking this breeder's site. I just wouldn't want the 30 year breeder's reputation to get hurt if this was a scammer... Also, it seems like at the bottom he is trying to use her kennel name unless one capital letter (YorkShire vs. Yorkshire) makes a difference??? I'm not on the up and up in these sorts of things. Maybe you can have similar kennel names, what do I know?

::shrug:: Either tell her or don't. It really doesn't affect me any. I just hate to see someone screwed over that's all.

I'm not even sure what you're talking about.

Mardelin 01-04-2011 07:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend (Post 3381235)
I'm just going off what the OP said. She said this website was in a supposed scam ad she saw and it is mimicking this breeder's site. I just wouldn't want the 30 year breeder's reputation to get hurt if this was a scammer... Also, it seems like at the bottom he is trying to use her kennel name unless one capital letter (YorkShire vs. Yorkshire) makes a difference??? I'm not on the up and up in these sorts of things. Maybe you can have similar kennel names, what do I know?

::shrug:: Either tell her or don't. It really doesn't affect me any. I just hate to see someone screwed over that's all.

I'm not even sure what you're talking about.
I know nothing about Delores, other than she's an elderly lady and really no longer breeding.

Mardelin 01-04-2011 07:46 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 3381147)
I saw an online ad for a Yorkie that was obviously a scam (I am not looking to buy one, and wouldn't buy this way, I just get curious). They gave a website address ( ryansbullies.tk ), and I just went to look at it out of curiosity.

On the scammer's website, ryansbullys.tk, they used the name "Eden Valley Yorkshire Terriers." Nosey rosey that I am, I googled "Eden Valley" to see what I could find. That brought me to a completely different website, and it looks to be the website of a very legitimate breeder and exhibitor.

Not only is the scammer using this breeder/exhibitor's kennel name, they have totally copied entire sections of text (plagiarized) from her site. Oh, but they do manage to add, at the bottom of the page, that the text is copyrighted by Eden Valley, just so we are aware that it is illegal to copy it without permission! And ... the scammer displays the YTCA logo on their website.

Compare for yourself:

Scammer: ryansbullies.tk
Eden Valley: Yorkshire Terrier Breeder for 38 years

Does anyone know this breeder? She needs a "head's up."

The nerve of some people.
Since you know more about the particulars, I'll PM you her e-mail address.

OwnedByJezebel 01-04-2011 07:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3381209)
Eden Valley Yorkshire Terriers/Delores Kauffman is Legit.....She's in Weimar,CA. Member of YTCA since 1976.

So, I don't know what is going on.
Maybe I wasn't clear? To me it looks like what is going on is that a scammer has lifted the text from her website and is using her name. I'm sure if someone tried to buy a pup from the scammer, you would send the money by Western Union and then get no pup in return.

I just want to make it clear that I am not blaming the REAL Eden Valley for anything. I think someone has stolen this copyrighted text from Eden Valley's website, along with the Eden Valley name, and are using it for fraudulent purposes. Imagine if someone buys a puppy from the scammer, then gets no puppy and tries to pin it on the legitimate Eden Valley, files reviews on rip-off reports, etc., it could cause Eden Valley some problems and smear their name.

This is one of the scammer's ads (out of 19 that they have placed): Cute T-cup Yorkie Puppies For Adoption - Houston Chronicle Classifieds

I found an email address of her's on shooterdog.com and sent an email, but unfortunately it came back as undeliverable.

Furbaby Friend 01-04-2011 07:47 PM
Thread progressed without me! Ignore this :P

OwnedByJezebel 01-04-2011 07:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3381243)
Since you know more about the particulars, I'll PM you her e-mail address.
Thank you!

Furbaby Friend 01-04-2011 07:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3381243)
Since you know more about the particulars, I'll PM you her e-mail address.
:thumbup:

Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 3381248)
Thank you!
Good detective work there by the way! :) YT sleuths on the loose scammers beware! :D

Mardelin 01-04-2011 07:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 3381248)
Thank you!
The e-mail address is from my most current Directory. But, since she's no longer actively breeding I'm not sure if it's valid.

I know of Delores and of her lines as she was pretty well known in the 60s and 70s, nice lines.

Furbaby Friend 01-04-2011 07:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3381259)
The e-mail address is from my most current Directory. But, since she's no longer actively breeding I'm not sure if it's valid.

I know of Delores and of her lines as she was pretty well known in the 60s and 70s, nice lines.
Do you think her phone number is still the same from her website? :confused:

If the email fails we could always try that route if it is deemed necessary.

Mardelin 01-04-2011 07:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend (Post 3381264)
Do you think her phone number is still the same from her website? :confused:

If the email fails we could always try that route if it is deemed necessary.
If the current e-mail I have fails, I'll PM the current phone #.

Furbaby Friend 01-04-2011 08:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3381270)
If the current e-mail I have fails, I'll PM the current phone #.
I probably shouldn't be surprised you are so well organized/prepared! :D You are always on top of things!

Mardelin 01-04-2011 08:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend (Post 3381283)
I probably shouldn't be surprised you are so well organized/prepared! :D You are always on top of things!
Not that difficult when you have the club directory in front of you.

Furbaby Friend 01-04-2011 08:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3381294)
Not that difficult when you have the club directory in front of you.
Shhhhh, lets make you seem all mystical and awesome... you're spoiling the image. :p

Mardelin 01-04-2011 08:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Furbaby Friend (Post 3381313)
Shhhhh, lets make you seem all mystical and awesome... you're spoiling the image. :p
Ok! I'll play along....but, gonna be difficult to be something I'm not

OwnedByJezebel 01-04-2011 08:41 PM
That email was different from the one I found, so hopefully it will work. That web address with the ".tk" in the suffix means that it is hosted in the south pacific island of Tokelau, so the scammer could be literally anywhere in the world. ( Pacific island cashes in on website domain - Telegraph )

I have no idea what she can do about this. I could only think of two suggestions: I gave her a link for reporting internet fraud online, and even though the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction in Camaroon, at least this will document the problem. And I also suggested that she put a disclaimer on her own website to warn people about the other website and establish that she is in no way connected.

I hate scammers.

Furbaby Friend 01-04-2011 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 3381333)
That email was different from the one I found, so hopefully it will work. That web address with the ".tk" in the suffix means that it is hosted in the south pacific island of Tokelau, so the scammer could be literally anywhere in the world. ( Pacific island cashes in on website domain - Telegraph )

I have no idea what she can do about this. I could only think of two suggestions: I gave her a link for reporting internet fraud online, and even though the FBI doesn't have jurisdiction in Camaroon, at least this will document the problem. And I also suggested that she put a disclaimer on her own website to warn people about the other website and establish that she is in no way connected.

I hate scammers.
Well at least now she can be aware of it if nothing else. Thank you for taking the time to find all this stuff out! :thumbup:

south 01-04-2011 09:15 PM
Whois information for ryansbullies.tk:

Quote:
$ whois ryansbullies.tk
[Querying whois.dot.tk]
[whois.dot.tk]

Rights restricted by copyright. See
Dot TK - Renaming The Internet

Domain name:
RYANSBULLIES.TK

Organisation:
BV Dot TK
Dot TK administrator
P.O. Box 11774
1001 GT Amsterdam
Netherlands
Phone: +31 20 5315725
Fax: +31 20 5315721
E-mail: abuse: abuse@dot.tk, copyright infringement: copyright@dot.tk

Domain Nameservers:
NS01.DOT.TK
NS02.DOT.TK
NS03.DOT.TK
NS04.DOT.TK

Your selected domain name is a Free Domain. That means that,
according to the terms and conditions of Free Domain domain names
the registrant is BV Dot TK in Amsterdam, Netherlands.

Due to restrictions in Dot TK's Privacy Statement personal information
about the user of the domain name cannot be released.

ABUSE OF A DOMAIN NAME
If you want to report abuse of this domain name, please send a
detailed email with your complaint to abuse@dot.tk.
In most cases Dot TK responds to abuse complaints within one business day.

COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT
If you want to report a case of copyright infringement, please send
an email to copyright@dot.tk, and include the full name and address of
your organization. Within 5 business days copyright infringement notices
will be investigated.

Record maintained by: Dot TK Domain Registry
So, this is owned by someone in the Netherlands.

The owner of edenvalleyyorkies.com should follow the instructions above to report them.

Also, you can (probably) get them delisted from google by following the instructions here: Report copyright infringement : Remove information from Google - Web Search Help

OwnedByJezebel 01-04-2011 09:50 PM
The way I read that, the scammer isn't in the Netherlands, dot tk is, the service that he went through to get a web address.

Dot TK: Dot TK - Renaming The Internet
Dot TK - Renaming The Internet

It looks like I can use the "copyright@dot.tk" to report copyright abuse, though.

I have tried every which way to google the scammer's website, and I can't get it to show up on a google search. I can find his ads, but the website itself doesn't seem to be "googleable. I don't see anything there for them to "delist?"

OwnedByJezebel 01-04-2011 09:51 PM
The way I read that, the scammer isn't in the Netherlands, dot tk is, the service that he went through to get a web address.

Dot TK: Dot TK - Renaming The Internet
Dot TK - Renaming The Internet

It looks like I can use the "copyright@dot.tk" to report copyright abuse, though.

I have tried every which way to google the scammer's website, and I can't get it to show up on a google search. I can find his ads, but the website itself doesn't seem to be "googleable". I don't see anything there for them to delist?

FlDebra 01-05-2011 02:21 AM
That is the strangest thing I've seen. I don't understand why he would lift whole blocks from her site. He is basically saying he is she. ???? Are we sure this is NOT another site that belongs to her? It does say under construction at one point. But then the .tk would not make sense would it?

Hope you can get a hold of her to alert to the situation. Great sleuthing! We have some of the sharpest eyes around here at YT! If I ever need a Private Detective, I will start with y'all first. :D

south 01-05-2011 05:49 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 3381390)
The way I read that, the scammer isn't in the Netherlands, dot tk is, the service that he went through to get a web address.

Dot TK: Dot TK - Renaming The Internet
Dot TK - Renaming The Internet

It looks like I can use the "copyright@dot.tk" to report copyright abuse, though.

I have tried every which way to google the scammer's website, and I can't get it to show up on a google search. I can find his ads, but the website itself doesn't seem to be "googleable". I don't see anything there for them to delist?
Interesting, I didn't dig that deep last night. You are correct, the scammer could be anywhere, if indeed it is a scam. Dot TK appears to be a URL shortening service. But it *is* owned by the company in the netherlands, and should be able to get the plagiarized material removed, or remove the users account. No telling if they will, but they can. Another thing to consider would be for the legitimate owner of the material to report it to the ad company. I have not looked for the ads myself. For example, if it's google's adwords, they will ban for life an advertiser for false claims, plagiarism, etc.

YorkieRose 01-05-2011 06:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by kjcmsw (Post 3381231)
I thought "reputable" breeders didn't advertise their championships? Does it really matter who got the championship?The original owner or the past owner? Either the dog is a champion or has champions in its line or it is not. Not trying to start an argument, just seems like there are different rules for different people, as such hard to tell what's really right. There are all sorts of ways to say: "Champion Bloodlines" and "breeding champions since ..." is just another way of saying it (IMO)
WHO IS MAKING THESE RULES???
Many fine top breeders have web sites to show what they have achieved. I refer to their sites to see photo's of what's new in the ring and enjoy pic's of old champions I have seen in their career.

I see nothing unethical about a breeder simply stating...."pets for sale to approved homes" when they have pets...how else can the public buy from reputable breeders if they can not find reputable breeders...I do not think there is a need to list the pic and prices, with paypal check out like an ebay purchase..but let the public know there are options besides a pet shop.

PS..many top breeders perfer advertizing wins in breed magazines..

OwnedByJezebel 01-05-2011 07:03 AM
The email that I sent over 10 hours ago wasn't rejected, so it's a good one. (Thanks, Mardelin). I haven't received a response yet, so the ball is in her court. At least she has the details and can pursue it if she wants.

OwnedByJezebel 01-05-2011 07:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3381532)
Many fine top breeders have web sites to show what they have achieved. I refer to their sites to see photo's of what's new in the ring and enjoy pic's of old champions I have seen in their career.
I for one enjoyed looking at the dogs on her website. Such beautiful little examples, and I told her so. I'll never get the chance to see the little champions in person, and I don't subscribe to the magazines (why would I, since I am not a breeder/exhibitor), so the internet is my only opportunity to see them. She's not selling over the internet, she's bragging, and based on her results she has every right to brag!

Mardelin 01-05-2011 08:55 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OwnedByJezebel (Post 3381585)
I for one enjoyed looking at the dogs on her website. Such beautiful little examples, and I told her so. I'll never get the chance to see the little champions in person, and I don't subscribe to the magazines (why would I, since I am not a breeder/exhibitor), so the internet is my only opportunity to see them. She's not selling over the internet, she's bragging, and based on her results she has every right to brag!
You don't have to breed or show to enjoy the magazines. I subscribed to them way before I began my journey. Even before I decided that I wanted to exhibit.

Several, well known exhibitors have websites to show case their dogs accomplishments. Most have no pics of pups, and only stating pups available occassionaly.


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