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BFar 12-22-2010 08:52 PM

This is a really scary situation you and your bitch are in. If she was only bred one time I wonder is just scheduling a section for her would be the safest thing for her. I have heard of 4 pound bitches free whelping but I'd be really worried, especially because you have no experience. If I were you I would find a toy dog breeder near you. I would look at national breed clubs for breeder referrals of other toy breeds if you can't find a Yorkie breeder. I bet you would find one to take pity on your bitch and help you. I am really worried for her. Stick around on this forum too. You can get valuable info here.

RachelandSadie 12-22-2010 11:34 PM

this is a big deal and the reason is, you have a 5lb stud bred to a 4lb bitch and that means that those pups just mite be too big to be birthed and get stuck coming out. if that happens it could KILL your bitch. i'm not trying to freak you out here, but you need to be aware of this. also if those pups grow too big they can actually rupture her uterus and kill her from the inside. i know you didn't do this on purpose, but you were a very irresponsible pet owner and have now put your dog's life at stake here. i ask you to think about that now when it's not going to change your situation much but still think how much easier this would have been if only you had listened to the vet and spayed her then and took on the debt then. now you are in for more debt and maybe loose your dog over it. the person on here telling you to sell ur pups for good money and pay this all off is not someone i'd ever listen to, that's horrible advice to give someone in this situation. money isn't the issue here it's trying not to loose ur bitch. selling those pups for money is what a puppy mill or back yard breeder would do so don't think that at this point. i would actually consider giving those pups to good homes since they were not planned and you have nothing to show for their health and future. that's just my opinion though.

as for the future of this whole situation, you are going to have to really do research. i'd find a yorkie breeder from YTCA and fast that can help you in the whelp so you don't loose your bitch, because you are in over your head now and i wouldn't trust anyone but an experienced breeder at this point, not even the vet, but if the vets all you've got at least use him to your fullest ability. you know what you did was wrong so you don't need preaching, but you do need to find someone to walk you through this so your baby survives it. and then spay and neuter those dogs and let this be a lesson to you and to all others what happens when you don't listen to the vet and spay/neuter. don't think that you know what to do, because at this point you'll never be able to research enough fast enough. just find someone that knows how to do this and ask them to be there during the whelp and help you. since it's your first whelp you just won't know what to do and you'll need them there. i wish you luck that your bitch lives through this and you make it out okay.

this is exactly why we on YT constantly tell others if you cannot afford the vet do not go get a pet...if you don't have money to properly care for your animals you don't deserve them and that's a fact!

YorkieRose 12-23-2010 11:23 AM

If you had asked my advise before the breeding I would tell you something totally different...BUT your bitch is close to whelping..so my advise is...allow her to have this litter. Keep in close contact with your vet, relax, try not to act stressed out..it will scare your bitch....I have had a number of litters from smaller bitches and all went well..I have had a number of litters from smaller bitches that needed vet help. I have also needed the vet and a section with 6 and 7 pound girls..there is no way of knowing what Mother Nature will decide..

Perpare for the birth..read all you can on this forum and wait it out...
You may call me day or night for advise during the whelping...561-732-5067..
Sometimes you just need input to calm a situation that is perfectly normal or advise to call the vet when and if...I wish you the best and your bitch...

DvlshAngel985 12-23-2010 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Mishe (Post 3366954)
I am fully aware of the costs, I only found this out on Monday. You have to understand that it was a suggestion and a lot to take in in a matter of a day. We are leaning towards spaying her if possible but at the same time we have to find the money for it too and we are looking at our finances to see what we can do.

We are applying for carecredit to help us with the situation.

And we definitely don't want to jeopardize her health or in the event that she does have puppies their health either.

I hope you get care credit. It really helps out when you're in a bind. Good luck.

YorkieRose 12-23-2010 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RachelandSadie (Post 3367086)
this is a big deal and the reason is, you have a 5lb stud bred to a 4lb bitch and that means that those pups just mite be too big to be birthed and get stuck coming out. if that happens it could KILL your bitch. i'm not trying to freak you out here, but you need to be aware of this. also if those pups grow too big they can actually rupture her uterus and kill her from the inside. i know you didn't do this on purpose, but you were a very irresponsible pet owner and have now put your dog's life at stake here. i ask you to think about that now when it's not going to change your situation much but still think how much easier this would have been if only you had listened to the vet and spayed her then and took on the debt then. now you are in for more debt and maybe loose your dog over it. the person on here telling you to sell ur pups for good money and pay this all off is not someone i'd ever listen to, that's horrible advice to give someone in this situation. money isn't the issue here it's trying not to loose ur bitch. selling those pups for money is what a puppy mill or back yard breeder would do so don't think that at this point. i would actually consider giving those pups to good homes since they were not planned and you have nothing to show for their health and future. that's just my opinion though.

as for the future of this whole situation, you are going to have to really do research. i'd find a yorkie breeder from YTCA and fast that can help you in the whelp so you don't loose your bitch, because you are in over your head now and i wouldn't trust anyone but an experienced breeder at this point, not even the vet, but if the vets all you've got at least use him to your fullest ability. you know what you did was wrong so you don't need preaching, but you do need to find someone to walk you through this so your baby survives it. and then spay and neuter those dogs and let this be a lesson to you and to all others what happens when you don't listen to the vet and spay/neuter. don't think that you know what to do, because at this point you'll never be able to research enough fast enough. just find someone that knows how to do this and ask them to be there during the whelp and help you. since it's your first whelp you just won't know what to do and you'll need them there. i wish you luck that your bitch lives through this and you make it out okay.

this is exactly why we on YT constantly tell others if you cannot afford the vet do not go get a pet...if you don't have money to properly care for your animals you don't deservWhy sacree them and that's a fact!

Why scare the poster...it is already done...AND I have bred to many fine 6 and 7 pound champions and the bitch was smaller...the number of puppies tends to determine utero size not the stud...shoot, CH Rothby's Rene'Gade was a very big boy..I used him with a 4 3/4 bitch and she free whelped 3 pups..and it was with Roberta's blessing obviously...she thought the breeding was a perfect combo...and it was..produced champions...

I am not trying to cause trouble, but why scare people when the breeding is already done..encourage them to see it through with the best vet help possible...

Woogie Man 12-23-2010 11:52 AM

I don't want to add confusion to this, but I'd really like to know why the vet advised against her being bred. The reason 'could' be a game changer.

From the posts by the OP, she is at 5 weeks.....whatever decision is made cannot be put off. It's those last 3 weeks when the pups do most of their growing....and that growth can put a tremendous drain on the Mom. If there's a medical issue on why she shouldn't be bred, should she go through that? IDK, the reason hasn't been posted. I do tend to think that many vets see nothing wrong with breeding small girls and that this vet's reason isn't to do with size.

She is a very small girl.....not 4 and something pounds, but 4 pounds with a 'possible' medical issue and an inexperienced breeder. The OP is 'considering' spay, but brings the money up again. All in all, not a good situation.

My posts are based on fear and worry for this girl's Yorkie. There was just one this week where the litter came just shy of 8 weeks due to eclampsia...the whole litter died and last that was posted, the Mom is still at the vet's.

Mishe, can you tell us why the vet advised against breeding her?

chattiesmom 12-23-2010 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3364897)
I find a nice glass of wine or two prepares me very well...

AND...there is nothing wrong in selling the pups for a fair price...and using the money to spay and neuter your pets..put some aside for future dental and vet care.

I agree 100% (well except for the wine part -- I am a cheap drunk, so just send me the cork to sniff).

chattiesmom 12-23-2010 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3367327)
Why scare the poster...it is already done...AND I have bred to many fine 6 and 7 pound champions and the bitch was smaller...the number of puppies tends to determine utero size not the stud...shoot, CH Rothby's Rene'Gade was a very big boy..I used him with a 4 3/4 bitch and she free whelped 3 pups..and it was with Roberta's blessing obviously...she thought the breeding was a perfect combo...and it was..produced champions...

I am not trying to cause trouble, but why scare people when the breeding is already done..encourage them to see it through with the best vet help possible...

I agree with Pat 100%! What is done is done. I hope and pray that all goes well with the whelping. If you need to talk to someone, please send me a pm and I'll be glad to talk with you. It would be very difficult for me to risk the mom's life with a spay and kill the precious cargo that she is carrying. Please do all you can to educate yourself during the next few weeks. Have a plan in place in case there are complications with the whelping. It would be a good thing if you could find someone local that could be there with you.

ArmaniMan 12-23-2010 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by chattiesmom (Post 3367363)
It would be a good thing if you could find someone local that could be there with you.

I was thinking this as well- even if you can't find a breeder- maybe one of the vet techs from your vet would be looking to make some extra money and could come sit with you- they will help you to remain calm and be better able to recognize if the situation were to require vet intervention. Good Luck!

Woogie Man 12-23-2010 12:14 PM

I want to post the reminder that the vet advised against breeding her in the first place and, as recently as yesterday, discussed spaying with the OP. None of us are privy to that conversation, but advising her to carry on with the litter is going against the advice of a vet that has physically seen this girl. Online advice should never be considered before your vet's advice.

Furbaby Friend 12-23-2010 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3367377)
I want to post the reminder that the vet advised against breeding her in the first place and, as recently as yesterday, discussed spaying with the OP. None of us are privy to that conversation, but advising her to carry on with the litter is going against the advice of a vet that has physically seen this girl. Online advice should never be considered before your vet's advice.

Agree 100%. Woogie Man is a smart cookie in general (and gives awesome advice!), but this is just good sense.

Mishe 12-23-2010 12:27 PM

I am currently trying to search around for breeders around my area how could help me or give me more advice on the way to go. As for the vets reason, she didn't really say anything medically except for the fact that she was small with a possibility of a c-section. She has no medical issues and is perfectly healthy, as for the stud, she reccomended not to breed because he has a very mild luxating patellas and did not want to pass the genes, which I agree with her. Those were her only reasons.

I will definitely ask one of the vet techs, I never thought of that. We also have an emergency vet hospital which our vet reccomended that very close to us.

The issue with spaying before I wanted to note was that our vet is charging around 900 for a spay, and didn't mention about another alternative of going to the animal shelter (which would be cheaper) until we saw her when we found out Panini was pregnant. If we had known we could have gone there we would have.

BFar 12-23-2010 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3367318)
If you had asked my advise before the breeding I would tell you something totally different...BUT your bitch is close to whelping..so my advise is...allow her to have this litter. Keep in close contact with your vet, relax, try not to act stressed out..it will scare your bitch....I have had a number of litters from smaller bitches and all went well..I have had a number of litters from smaller bitches that needed vet help. I have also needed the vet and a section with 6 and 7 pound girls..there is no way of knowing what Mother Nature will decide..

Perpare for the birth..read all you can on this forum and wait it out...
You may call me day or night for advise during the whelping...561-732-5067..
Sometimes you just need input to calm a situation that is perfectly normal or advise to call the vet when and if...I wish you the best and your bitch...

God bless you Pat. This is what YT should be all about. Just my opinion, of course. Hey, can I call you too? LOL, only kidding. I have a wonderful mentor but my heart is warmed by reading your response to her. I am having a litter myself and I'm worrying so much for all of us!

Barbara

BFar 12-23-2010 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chattiesmom (Post 3367352)
I agree 100% (well except for the wine part -- I am a cheap drunk, so just send me the cork to sniff).

:thumbup:

Woogie Man 12-23-2010 12:45 PM

I'll end my participation on this by wishing Mishe the best of luck, whatever the decision.

I think it was posted before, but here's a link with some good info. I have the link set to the page with possible complications, but there is much good info throughout the site.

Canine Reproduction Video and Book on Breeding and Whelping dogs by Debbie Jensen for dog breeders and Whelping trouble.

Again, best of luck.


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