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[MyTrixie143]

Wow this is a long thread.

I too saw the original ad when it was posted. I didn't see anywhere where it said the puppy could leave at only 5 weeks old. It said to hold. That there tells me that the puppy wouldn't be allowed to leave then because why would you put a deposit down to hold a puppy if you were able to get it right away?
From what I read she only mentioned her illness in the ad because she was explaining why she wasn't keeping him. If you have a dog you planned to show and then you decide to sell him people are going to want to know why. She was just explaining why.

In addition what is wrong with saying you will sell with limited unless you are comfortable enough with selling full? Shouldn't you be more concerned with the people who will sell with full registration without a second thought.
There are tons of breeders that say all puppies are sold with limited registration unless prior arrangements are made, it is basically the same.
For example there are very few people I would ever sell to with full registration. But those very few certain people I would sell full to as I've come to trust them and would know they were in good hands.

But my biggest question is why was this one particular ad picked out. There are TONS of puppies on puppyfind being advertised even younger than 5 weeks so why this one particular ad? You have to admit it does seem a bit too coincidental.

I think it is great Megansmom that you have some compassion and truly care for the breed.
I just think this whole thing could have been done differently. I truly did not see anywhere in the ad that said the puppy would be leaving so young. I guess it is all how you interpret it. But then again perhaps you should have checked into before jumping in the wagon. I always think it is better to get the whole story before jumping to conclusions. Kinda like look before you leap.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I am just seeing a slight change of heart from the OPer. I really appreciate you seeing there were two sides to this story. To think that I spent my birthday getting my @ss whooped only for everyone to realize that my questions were legitimate all along.

Yes, your questions were legitimate.....and hats off to you, you are so courages.

[capt_noonie]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

She altered the ad after posting and also added the name Dee. Up until yesterday I had no idea who the heck Dee was, that she was a member of YT, that her breeding practices have been called into question in the past, that she had a bleeding ulcer. But let me tell you THIS~if I had know she was a breeder that has sold dogs to others on this forum in the past I would have not been so kind. Your argument is pointless and will go nowhere with me. PTL......



I stand firmly that I will not be bullies into apologlizing to her. What I saw was wrong and it will not matter who many threads are started to attack me I am not changing my mind.

Obviously you have no idea how many times that I have helped countless yorkies by volunteering with YHR. Before opening your mouth to insert your foot maybe you should get your facts straight.

Furthermore, if it were not for the irresponsible breeders and pet owners there would be no need to rescue. Yorkies would not be PTS on a regular basis while on the other end of the scope others are pumping out puppies. So if I am able to educate just one person from purchasing a puppy for a breeding with questionable ethics that will make my job with rescue a little less heartbreaking. If you knew anything about rescue you would know that they are full of yorkies with LS, LP, AAI, hydrocephalus, puppymill rescues, just to name a few of the issues that can be traced directly back to poor breeding practices. Yes, there are owner surrenders but for other reasons too but the biggest drain on many rescues are breeder related and uneducated buyers.

It was one year ago on the 15th that I held Truman my last foster in my arms while he has seizure after seizure and he quietly when to the rainbow bridge. Try holding a tiny 2 lb puppy that is paralyzed from an accident with 100 plus lb. mastiff as he is struggling to use his legs and tell me that your heart wouldn't break. He was surrendered by a BREEDER who couldn't "afford" to fit him. DO NOT tell me that I need to rescue. I am doing my part. How about the 3 days that I spend looking for Chia who was a lab mix that pulled out of her collar on a transport just blocks from my home. I was the only one looking for her since her rescue was 500 miles away in S. IL. How do you think it felt to see her dead body laying in the middle of I80 being hit by numerous car. Just sitting in my car helplessly crying. When was the last time you were at the local shelter to pick up a freightened tiny pup, holding him in your arm and letting him know he's safe. Your comment is so out of line I want to be sick! What have you done other than spend the day on YT bashing the hell out of me.

I for one look up to what you do for rescue.

[Rhetts_mama]

In addition what is wrong with saying you will sell with limited unless you are comfortable enough with selling full? Shouldn't you be more concerned with the people who will sell with full registration without a second thought.
There are tons of breeders that say all puppies are sold with limited registration unless prior arrangements are made, it is basically the same.
For example there are very few people I would ever sell to with full registration. But those very few certain people I would sell full to as I've come to trust them and would know they were in good hands.

Question for you. Would you post on an open site like puppyfind that you will consider selling on open registration? How could you be satisfied after a brief interview, that the people you sell to will be honest about their breeding?

I personally wouldn't buy a breeding pup from anyone who didn't know me personally for a long time. The fact that they would even consider me a fit breeder after me answering an ad suggest to me that they really don't give a hoot about their own breeding program.

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Question for you. Would you post on an open site like puppyfind that you will consider selling on open registration? How could you be satisfied after a brief interview, that the people you sell to will be honest about their breeding?

I personally wouldn't buy a breeding pup from anyone who didn't know me personally for a long time. The fact that they would even consider me a fit breeder after me answering an ad suggest to me that they really don't give a hoot about their own breeding program.

And at 5 weeks keeping for show?????

[peanut]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

And at 5 weeks keeping for show?????

I thought if you had one that could possible be a show prospect you keep them until 6 or 7 months to see how they turn out, sometimes longer.

[BFar]

Oh I am not changing my heart at all. You misunderstood totally.

Originally Posted by megansmomma

I am just seeing a slight change of heart from the OPer. I really appreciate you seeing there were two sides to this story. To think that I spent my birthday getting my @ss whooped only for everyone to realize that my questions were legitimate all along.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by BFar

Oh I am not changing my heart at all. You misunderstood totally.

That's just great. So I am still a horrible person who picked on a breeder that ended up being a YT member?

[Mardelin]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

That's just great. So I am still a horrible person who picked on a breeder that ended up being a YT member?

Not to me you aren't Jodi........

[MyTrixie143]

Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama

Question for you. Would you post on an open site like puppyfind that you will consider selling on open registration? How could you be satisfied after a brief interview, that the people you sell to will be honest about their breeding?

I personally wouldn't buy a breeding pup from anyone who didn't know me personally for a long time. The fact that they would even consider me a fit breeder after me answering an ad suggest to me that they really don't give a hoot about their own breeding program.

No I guess I wouldn't. I put ads on puppyfind from time to time and honestly you get a lot of crazy emails. Why add to it by saying you are doing open registration? Though I do admit I have it on my website.

And no I could never be satisfied with handing over breeding rights over a brief interview. However I would be open to building a relationship with that person, learning to maybe trust them one day with full rights (along with more contracts). It isn't something that is earned overnight, I would have to really come to know and trust that person completely. I could even possibly meet that potential person through an ad. No they wouldn't get a puppy off of me then but someday they might. I myself like to get to know a breeder and earn their trust and vice versa way before I ever really consider about getting one of their pups.

Perhaps this is how Dee thinks? I really don't know, it is just how I look at it.


To date I've never sold a puppy with full registration. Like I said very few would have that privilege.

[gemy]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

That's just great. So I am still a horrible person who picked on a breeder that ended up being a YT member?

Never Never Never. This has gone way too far.


Sorry I can't sit by and see yet another member being crucified for stating her opinion.

We are all talking about compassion, how about showing some right now!

Show it to a person who has rescued so many pups. who tirelessly works for our Yorkie breed.

Enough already close this thread

[ladyjane]

Originally Posted by megansmomma

That's just great. So I am still a horrible person who picked on a breeder that ended up being a YT member?

Jodi, anyone with even half a clue knows the real deal. These people need to be ignored.
You owe no one anything here...no explanation...nothing. You did nothing wrong.
As for the one who told you to get off the computer to rescue yorkies. I say STAY on the computer. She has NO clue what rescue really is .. or she does and it makes her squirm I guess. Exposing bad breeding practices online and educating the public about them IS rescue. Period, end of story. Of course we all know you do more than that, but that is not the point...you owe them NOTHING.

[megansmomma]

Originally Posted by capt_noonie

I for one look up to what you do for rescue.

There are so many that do so much more than I do. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Mardelin

Not to me you aren't Jodi........

Wow Mary, I am so honored.

[MyTrixie143]

Originally Posted by Mardelin

And at 5 weeks keeping for show?????

Couldn't that just mean that you are keeping him for now in hopes of being able to show when he is old enough? Don't many show breeders keep a pup for show and then later sell the pup when something goes wrong and it doesn't reach full show potential?

[Rhetts_mama]

The way I see it, there is absolutely NO reason to advertise that you will possibly sell an open registration on either an ad or a website. I keep hearing the breeders say that they would only do it for someone they thoroughly trusted. If they had such a relationship with that person, do they really think that person is only going to be aware of the existence of the new pups through that ad or site? One would hope that they kept in contact another way.

And Jodi, I hope it's obvious to you that I respect you and your opinions.