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ashmd2b 12-18-2010 08:34 AM
Can someone tell me why??
 
I came across a pup that I was interested in that was advertised as AKC. When questioning about the pup the seller tells me that her parents are AKC registered and she spent a fortune on them but she will not let the puppies go with any kind of registration at all. No limited AKC. I understand not letting them go with full AKC rights, but why wouldn't they register the pups and let them go with limited registration? She said she could show me the parents papers but wouldn't be registering the litter. This sets off a red flag to me but I wonder if maybe I'm just missing something that someone could fill me in on. Thanks

bchgirl 12-18-2010 08:38 AM
Couple of guesses....she, herself, doesn't have full registration but bred her dogs any way. OR...she simply doesn't want to spend the money.

ashmd2b 12-18-2010 08:40 AM
That's what I was thinking... and still charging and arm and a leg for the pup. :cool:

magicgenie 12-18-2010 08:53 AM
It would be nice if they explained--
 
I'm into full disclosure with my customers and when I don't register a litter I tell them exactly why. Times I've done it have been when there were multiple sires and the litter produced no show prospects, therefore the expense and trouble of DNA testing to sort out paternity would be wasteful. Most people are happy to take an unregistered puppy for a reduced price, all other considerations checking out OK--references, vet checks, etc.

ashmd2b 12-18-2010 08:56 AM
Thanks. I can understand why you wouldn't register a litter in that case. Would you still advertise them as AKC pups? She got very defensive when I asked if they would come with limited registration or not.

Mardelin 12-18-2010 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ashmd2b (Post 3360554)
Thanks. I can understand why you wouldn't register a litter in that case. Would you still advertise them as AKC pups? She got very defensive when I asked if they would come with limited registration or not.
There were a couple of reasons given, but I'll add another. There are those that want to charge you extra for the AKC papers.

ashmd2b 12-18-2010 09:14 AM
So what would a good price be for this 6 month old puppy with "champion bloodlines" and no papers? It's a little girl about 3.5 lbs right now.

Micah my love 12-18-2010 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 3360544)
Couple of guesses....she, herself, doesn't have full registration but bred her dogs any way. OR...she simply doesn't want to spend the money.
Or she may not know for sure who the sire is and don't want that coming back to her

Mardelin 12-18-2010 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ashmd2b (Post 3360568)
So what would a good price be for this 6 month old puppy with "champion bloodlines" and no papers? It's a little girl about 3.5 lbs right now.
Remember Champion Blood Lines could mean there are Champions in the background; dam and sire aren't Championed......But, without papers....I'm not sure if that's important, I would be more concerned with the breeder and their ethics........From what I gather from this breeder and since she got huffy with you......stay away....go elsewhere.

tegamom1 12-18-2010 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by ashmd2b (Post 3360568)
So what would a good price be for this 6 month old puppy with "champion bloodlines" and no papers? It's a little girl about 3.5 lbs right now.
There are so many other things to consider above price. "Champion bloodlines".....If I had a dime for every backyard breeder that advertised that..I'd be a rich woman!

tegamom1 12-18-2010 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 3360552)
I'm into full disclosure with my customers and when I don't register a litter I tell them exactly why. Times I've done it have been when there were multiple sires and the litter produced no show prospects, therefore the expense and trouble of DNA testing to sort out paternity would be wasteful. Most people are happy to take an unregistered puppy for a reduced price, all other considerations checking out OK--references, vet checks, etc.
Multiple sires.....

Rhetts_mama 12-18-2010 09:37 AM
"Champion blood lines" doesn't mean squat if you don't have the papers to prove it. Of course, papers themselves don't mean squat unless you are planning on breeding or showing.

JMO, but if she's using the "cost" of registering them as her reason for not doing it, then she's hiding something from you. (See any of the possible reasons that were listed above). The cost to register a litter is $25.00 plus $2.00 for puppy. Hardly cost prohibitive.


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What she is selling you is a pet quality yorkie, no matter what the lineage she claims it has. For all you know, the pups could have been sired by the local Lothario. I'd walk away and look for another (reputable) breeder if she is trying to charge an arm and a leg for it.

BamaFan121s 12-18-2010 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by ashmd2b (Post 3360568)
So what would a good price be for this 6 month old puppy with "champion bloodlines" and no papers? It's a little girl about 3.5 lbs right now.
IMO, there wouldn't be a "good price." The breeder may have her reasons for not registering the litter, but it sounds suspect. Especially if she got defensive when you questioned it. I would look elsewhere, at at the most, pay only enough to cover the costs of vaccinations. I personally would not pay for an unregistered dog from a breeder. The way I see it, there is no reason to "settle" when there are other breeders out there.

magicgenie 12-18-2010 10:50 AM
multiple sires
 
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Originally Posted by tegamom1 (Post 3360588)
Multiple sires.....
never mind

FlDebra 12-18-2010 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3360622)
IMO, there wouldn't be a "good price." The breeder may have her reasons for not registering the litter, but it sounds suspect. Especially if she got defensive when you questioned it. I would look elsewhere, at at the most, pay only enough to cover the costs of vaccinations. I personally would not pay for an unregistered dog from a breeder. The way I see it, there is no reason to "settle" when there are other breeders out there.
I agree -- if she won't be open about why she is not offering limited AKC registration, I would not give her my money, even for a pet. If I were guessing, it would be that she did not have full registration on one or more parent or that she was unsure of the sire. The first instance, I would NEVER want to do business with. The second instance, if a breeder was open and said, two sires are possbile, both AKC registered and I don't want to go through DNA testing, then you could consider a pet. Just know that you should only pay unregistered pet price.


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