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Mardelin 11-21-2010 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by FlDebra (Post 3335946)
Crete -- Here is another breeder's perspective. This person breeds boxers in New Castle, DE! Imagine that!

"There are so many ads in the newspaper - which of those are good breeders?

Very few good breeders advertise in the newspaper because they get more than enough referrals from other good breeders and Boxer Clubs. They produce good health, good temperament, and good conformation, and there is often a waiting list for their pups.

Look at ten ads in the newspaper and at least 5 to 7 of them will be careless breeders who know little or nothing about Boxers. They simply bred together their cute male and their cute female and produced cute puppies. They did no research, so they don't know the incidence of hip dysplasia, spine deformities, low to normal thyroid, poor temperament, heart problems, or epilepsy in their lines. They pronounced the parents perfect" without knowing anything about structure or soundness. When you buy from these people, you are essentially buying generic little dogs with unknown genes. Their AKC registration papers say Boxer only because the AKC churns registration papers out of a computer that couldn't care less about structure, health, or temperament."

The page goes on to say this about price:
"Cost?

"$1500.00."
Reasonable price range for pet quality is $800.00 to $1100.00 - however prices do vary by region. However, it should be noted that the American Boxer Club Code of Ethics prohibits breeders from charging full price for a white puppy. Instead, they may collect a refundable spay/neuter deposit, and charge for veterinary expenses directly related to the puppy (as of 9/29/04). Veterinary expenses directly related to a puppy may vary widely, however, and in some cases may be higher than the average price of a pet colored puppy."

Just thought I would throw those excerpts out for your perusal. :)
Well I-D-Clair Ms Bamafan the 2nd.

Beamers Mom 11-21-2010 04:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3335967)
Well I-D-Clair Ms Bamafan the 2nd.
Your Southern accent is showing Mary:):)

crete456 11-21-2010 04:02 PM
PLEASE read my original post then response...respecfully...I said that if you do your homeowork...attend dog shows...THIS IS #1...with time and experience you can find a quality bitch or dog without having to spend thousands of dollars...I've done it, my sister has done it,...I will come to your club and show you my results...AND STILL NOT A ONE OF YOU HAVE SAID THAT I HAVE GIVEN THIS PERSON WRONG ADVICE...You all have gone on a tangent about me advicing someone to buy a pup from the newspaper... I did noy advise this...I SAID I LOOKED AT TENS OF LITTERS...and know the breed standard...GEEEEZE!!!!!

Mardelin 11-21-2010 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Beamers Mom (Post 3335972)
Your Southern accent is showing Mary:):)
Ah Gimme a break. I just got back from the Nationals and was around my Southern friends. It's amazing how quickly it comes back.

Mardelin 11-21-2010 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3335973)
PLEASE read my original post then response...respecfully...I said that if you do your homeowork...attend dog shows...THIS IS #1...with time and experience you can find a quality bitch or dog without having to spend thousands of dollars...I've done it, my sister has done it,...I will come to your club and show you my results...AND STILL NOT A ONE OF YOU HAVE SAID THAT I HAVE GIVEN THIS PERSON WRONG ADVICE...You all have gone on a tangent about me advicing someone to buy a pup from the newspaper... I did noy advise this...I SAID I LOOKED AT TENS OF LITTERS...and know the breed standard...GEEEEZE!!!!!
What is being said is that what you've done is not the norm.

You did advise to buy from the classifieds, as you did it. And buying this way you don't know what your dog will produce. You don't know the lines, you haven't followed the dam/sire offspring and their offspring. Not good advice no matter how you spin it.

What has been omitted her is having your dog evaluated; not only health tested but evaluated, by a qualified judge/breeder/handler/exhibitor.

You can't go to shows and sit as a spectator and learn the breed. Impossible, can't do it without a mentor.

Rhetts_mama 11-21-2010 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3335973)
PLEASE read my original post then response...respecfully...I said that if you do your homeowork...attend dog shows...THIS IS #1...with time and experience you can find a quality bitch or dog without having to spend thousands of dollars...I've done it, my sister has done it,...I will come to your club and show you my results...AND STILL NOT A ONE OF YOU HAVE SAID THAT I HAVE GIVEN THIS PERSON WRONG ADVICE...You all have gone on a tangent about me advicing someone to buy a pup from the newspaper... I did noy advise this...I SAID I LOOKED AT TENS OF LITTERS...and know the breed standard...GEEEEZE!!!!!

You can read all you want, attend as many shows as you want. But with out a quality mentor, you are never going to start a quality breeding program. And I guarantee, a good mentor is not going to tell anyone that they will find a good breeder from the classifieds. They are going to send them in the direction of another quality breeder with a proven history of healthy dogs that consistently meet breed standard. And a good stud owner isn't going to want to dilute their lines with a substandard bitch either.

If you say you got a good one after looking at 10's of litters, then lucky you. But it isn't the norm.

Mardelin 11-21-2010 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3335973)
PLEASE read my original post then response...respecfully...I said that if you do your homeowork...attend dog shows...THIS IS #1...with time and experience you can find a quality bitch or dog without having to spend thousands of dollars...I've done it, my sister has done it,...I will come to your club and show you my results...AND STILL NOT A ONE OF YOU HAVE SAID THAT I HAVE GIVEN THIS PERSON WRONG ADVICE...You all have gone on a tangent about me advicing someone to buy a pup from the newspaper... I did noy advise this...I SAID I LOOKED AT TENS OF LITTERS...and know the breed standard...GEEEEZE!!!!!
We've all stated that you have given wrong advice.

Now should your method, over time stack up against the Roberta Rothenbachs, Lorraine Hayes, Doreen Hubbards, Gordon Sisters.....then I might concede that your way is ok.

And until you have a record that matches the aforementioned and all the top breeders that came before them....maybe, just maybe I'll listen and afford you the same allegence that I give them.

MaddiesMommie 11-21-2010 04:27 PM
One might get lucky and might choose the healther pup from a litter when buying from a newpaper, sure. BUT, bargin shopping for a pup is not something I am willing to do. I got a steal on Maddie from the classifieds, however, 2 and a half years later and numerous trips to our vet, the Emergency clinic, and the UT Vet. school to see specialists...$1000 dollars doesn't begin to touch what I have spent on her. All these trips were for ONE genetic disorder she has.

Who can afford to pay $1000 for a pup?
The answer is simple- IF YOU CAN'T AFFORD IT, DON'T BUY ONE.

ETA: I bought Maddie before I was a member here and found YT while searching for answers one Sunday as she was running around dragging her face on the floor.

crete456 11-21-2010 04:32 PM
You know Mardelin...you should run for president...tell all here...quote me that I gave someone advice to buy a pup from the newspaper...WHAT I SAID IS THAT ITS TAKES YEARS!!!!...I will still match my bitch against your in confirmation!!!... STUDY THE BREED STANDARD...THEN GO TO AS MANY DOG SHOWS AS POSSIBLE...you say you can't study a dog from shows...then explain how you do...what is this magic formula that your mentor taught you...you have yet to mention this...you really should run for president...all you do is talk in circles...Invite me to your club...I'll bring my newspaper bitch with me...lets talk monetary...quality...conformation...I dare you...your always defending never giving fact...GIVE THE BREAK DOWN...

shodanusmc 11-21-2010 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3335916)
WHOW!!! you people are out of hand...read his post...he disrespected me by saying ILL TYPE SLOWLY...all these costs...you knew this when you got into breeding...WHY do the purchasing public have to pay for this...no one pays my vet, food, health bills...why should the purchasing public????no one has yet to give me and answer to my question...the original post...did I give this women wrong advice...

I am just trying to give advise to someone who doesn't have a lot of money...you can get into the breeder/owner/handler if you study the breed and do what I suggested...I am living proof that it can be done that's all...not all of us are wealthy...or willing to replace feeding our family so we can fulfill our need to purchase a Champion pup...
Lady, you have no idea. If I wanted to "disrespect" you, I would have. You are pretty much a clueless troll. I hope to God you never breed any dog, much less sold them. Your go on ad Nauesem when some of the most knowledgeable people in the Yorkie world have given you great advice. (No, not me, I am not a breeder, just a Yorkie owner and yorkie lover). Also, be advised that a Marine is not a Soldier. A Soldier is in the Army. Thanks for the Boy reference though. Guess you have had time in on the plantation. Try to remember that for your next ding, or I will have to go back and type real slow again.

shodanusmc 11-21-2010 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3336022)
You know Mardelin...you should run for president...tell all here...quote me that I gave someone advice to buy a pup from the newspaper...WHAT I SAID IS THAT ITS TAKES YEARS!!!!...I will still match my bitch against your in confirmation!!!... STUDY THE BREED STANDARD...THEN GO TO AS MANY DOG SHOWS AS POSSIBLE...you say you can't study a dog from shows...then explain how you do...what is this magic formula that your mentor taught you...you have yet to mention this...you really should run for president...all you do is talk in circles...Invite me to your club...I'll bring my newspaper bitch with me...lets talk monetary...quality...conformation...I dare you...your always defending never giving fact...GIVE THE BREAK DOWN...
I would VOTE for her in a heart beat. You, well, not really.How about some links and names to your Kennel? References? Contracts? Well?

crete456 11-21-2010 04:38 PM
How about the the father of the breed...who was he????

Rhetts_mama 11-21-2010 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3335336)
Do yourself a favor before going to a breeder unless your willing to take out a second mortgage to purchase a puppy...theyll tell you that it takes thousands of dollars to make a champion and testing and so on and so on...limited registration and coownership...STUDY THE BREED!!!...get as many books that illustrate what a yorkie should look like...called the breed standard...also find some books about dog genetics and breeding...GO TO AS MANY SHOWS THAT YOU CAN...you will develope an eye for a good quality yorkshire terrier...and its a fun time...go to the AKC web site under events in your area...get a judging schedule to see what ring and time yorkie are going to be judged...I found a good quality bitch from the newspaper, but I looked at A LOT OF LITTERS...you can do this but it takes patience and some time and effort...Learn about hereditary diseases that are common in yorkies and the testing that is done to identify them...Several tests can be done at clinics that are held throughout the year for a reasonable price...The prices that these breeders want for a puppy because his pedigree is filled with champions are RIDICULOUS...Theyll tell you there not making a profit, or I only breed a bitch once every two years, but what they won't tell you is that they have a half dozen of bitches they cycle and are having litters a couple of times a year...I'd like one to show me...give me the monetary break down...that's why there are so many puppy mills out there...the working family can't afford a $1000...$2000...$3000...puppy...so the puppy mills fill the need...you can do this...you just need to get educated
Which part of "I found a good quality bitch" from the newspaper not advocating that route? But I do note that you said good quality, not great quality. So just how many champions have you thrown off of that good quality bitch?

Mardelin has been nothing but polite and informative in her responses to you, while you have been rude and confrontational.

Rhetts_mama 11-21-2010 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3336031)
How about the the father of the breed...who was he????
Huddersfield Ben. Next question.

shodanusmc 11-21-2010 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3336031)
How about the the father of the breed...who was he????
He was a Proud British Royal Marine by the Name of Lt Col. Finias J D Yorkiemoor, even though he is not given the proper credit.

shodanusmc 11-21-2010 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3336039)
Huddersfield Ben. Next question.
:):):):):)

Mardelin 11-21-2010 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3336022)
You know Mardelin...you should run for president...tell all here...quote me that I gave someone advice to buy a pup from the newspaper...WHAT I SAID IS THAT ITS TAKES YEARS!!!!...I will still match my bitch against your in confirmation!!!... STUDY THE BREED STANDARD...THEN GO TO AS MANY DOG SHOWS AS POSSIBLE...you say you can't study a dog from shows...then explain how you do...what is this magic formula that your mentor taught you...you have yet to mention this...you really should run for president...all you do is talk in circles...Invite me to your club...I'll bring my newspaper bitch with me...lets talk monetary...quality...conformation...I dare you...your always defending never giving fact...GIVE THE BREAK DOWN...
All you need to do is search on YT you'll know what I'm about.

Believe me my mentor put me through the ringer. Yes, she's one at the top. And how she taught me is something she doesn't release readily only to those that are willing to learn the correct way and have the best interest of the breed at heart.

Dare me, excuse me, isn't that something you do in elementary school. How absolutely childish. Meet me in the ring and see if your bitch can match against my dogs. I don't think so...since they come from the best lines out there.

Talking in circles, I guess you would think so, since you don't understand the basic concept of what it takes to be a reputable breeder.

Rhetts_mama 11-21-2010 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3336050)
Marine boy...respectfully...by your comments you belong on a billards forum...you know nothign about breeding...
I'm done with the troll. I've hit the report button.

MaddiesMommie 11-21-2010 04:46 PM
:2popkorn: anyone???
I think...I will...start...typing...like....this....but...it.. .will...wear out....your....period key...

MaddiesMommie 11-21-2010 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3336043)
He was a Proud British Royal Marine by the Name of Lt Col. Finias J D Yorkiemoor, even though he is not given the proper credit.
:thumbup:

shodanusmc 11-21-2010 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3336056)
I'm done with the troll. I've hit the report button.

Not me I hope? I was going for a record of being here!

Rhetts_mama 11-21-2010 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3336043)
He was a Proud British Royal Marine by the Name of Lt Col. Finias J D Yorkiemoor, even though he is not given the proper credit.

Now is the time to post some great pics of your Corso/Yorkie mix. :D Make sure you put a disclaimer in the caption that reads: Caution, this is what you get when you pick your breeder from the newspaper.:p

Mardelin 11-21-2010 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3336050)
Marine boy...respectfully...by your comments you belong on a billards forum...you know nothign about breeding...
Steve knows more about breeding than you know and more about how to pic out a breeder than most will ever know.

I suggest every newbie read this.

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...d-respect.html

shodanusmc 11-21-2010 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rhetts_mama (Post 3336069)
Now is the time to post some great pics of your Corso/Yorkie mix. :D Make sure you put a disclaimer in the caption that reads: Caution, this is what you get when you pick your breeder from the newspaper.:p
We are still experimenting with the lineage. I may go more with a smaller Corso Mom and a Larger Corso Dad. This is what you get with a Large Male Corso and small Female Yorkie. It will take me years to perfect this Designer breed. I will sell them for $10,000, and provide guarantees, and give reward dollars for all protection titles.

Rhetts_mama 11-21-2010 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3336075)
We are still experimenting with the lineage. I may go more with a smaller Corso Mom and a Larger Corso Dad. This is what you get with a Large Male Corso and small Female Yorkie. It will take me years to perfect this Designer breed. I will sell them for $10,000, and provide guarantees, and give reward dollars for all protection titles.

What have you decided to call this new breed? I vote for calling them Corkies.

MaddiesMommie 11-21-2010 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by shodanusmc (Post 3336075)
We are still experimenting with the lineage. I may go more with a smaller Corso Mom and a Larger Corso Dad. This is what you get with a Large Male Corso and small Female Yorkie. It will take me years to perfect this Designer breed. I will sell them for $10,000, and provide guarantees, and give reward dollars for all protection titles.
He is so beautiful Steve. Does he know how big his fan club is? :animal36

Rhetts_mama 11-21-2010 05:08 PM
Dang...vanishing posts. And I had a good one to write back. Oh well, not worth getting suspened over.

MaddiesMommie 11-21-2010 05:12 PM
:poof_smiley: Funny how that happens, huh?:cool:

gemy 11-21-2010 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by crete456 (Post 3336087)
Mardelain...As I've said before...and you have yet to comply...give us a break down of cost...this is not rocket science...and invite me to your club...my newspaper bitch will kick yours ass!!!...please consider taking Nancy Pelosies position...you are a stuart of the nose in the air breeder...you have yet to answer any of my request...but twist my words without quotes so people think I'm a sap...but I've been around this game for many many years...I'm the Ralph Nader of dogdom...just like him whom confronts the norm...no response...or talking in circles...no proof...will not provide evidence or invite somone with an alternate...PLEASE people read between the lines...READ this entire post...thanks!!!

What I read is you have an axe to grind. The "breakdown of costs" has been posted here numerous times. Exercise your fingers on a search to obtain sam

In fact I myself as a stud owner of a Yorkie posted those breakdowns not a wk ago, on a thread.

to Purchase a show pup, and to finish this dog in a |CH in the USA given you show your self. 12 shows minimum.. $8000 That includes the cost to travel, hotel room, all grooming and training for shows, and the costs to purchase said pup. This a very rock bottom minimum.
Pre breeding tests, including OFA, CERF, Bats, thyroid. heart, hyperuricosis, brucellosis at least 700-1000 depending upon where you live.

So now you have a baseline, could be more or less for a variety of factors.

And you don't need to weary your little fingers doing a search

Rhetts_mama 11-21-2010 05:18 PM
I've just got to wonder how she/he knows they have a good quality breeding bitch. According to the profile, the pup is only 11 months old. Definitely not old enough to either breed or have Ch. No pics either.


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