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kjcmsw · 10-03-2010, 02:03 PM

Generally speaking, first generation mating of sibling dogs don't produce issues; that being said, it's "generally", after years of sibling interbreeding is where the deformities and other issues will show up. Talk to a couple vets --- if you get conflicting opinions, ask a couple more...plus do your own research, I think you'll find though this situation isn't optimum, it's hardly worth doing an emergency spay (something that cannot be undone) and forever rendering your dog unable to have puppies should that be something you choose do in the future.
Talk to the previous owners again and tell them you just want to make sure she's safe and ask them if there any way she could have been breed by any other dog. You'll have to trust what they say and I would agree this is a pregnancy that should be monitored closely. If you're not ready to handle a litter and have serious doubts you'll want to breed her down the road, have the spay done and be done with it all. Only you can make the decision as to what's best for you, your dog, and your family.
Kendra

bellemarie · 10-03-2010, 04:15 PM

this is a tough one, and something that is entirely up to you; hopefully all the information in this thread has been as helpful as you hoped it would be...

one thing i always have to remind myself of, is that breeding and whelping (deliberately and accidently) is an expensive and sometimes heartbreaking thing to do- i lost a 7 week old pup suddenly to an anurism about 3months ago and i still find myself crying about it now- and that'll be me for a long time over her, and if i ever loose any more

babys. i love my girls like parents love their children- (i'm assuming its the same with most furbaby owners) so loosing a little creature that you helped deliver into this world- the offspring of your much beloved pet- is a feeling that you cant really prepare for, and its made that bit more likely with such a close inbreeding as your new additions.

personally, i would take her straight to the vet, see if she is pregnant for starters- if not, get whatever is causing the oversized abdomen treated, if she is pregnant and you don't want to immediately spay, talk to the previous owner about it, get an idea of 'heat' dates if possible (maybe they noticed her staining the furniture?) and compare those dates with the x-rays of the pups to ensure the sire wasnt a larger breed dog, then ask the vets experinces with inbreedings, do Loads of research, talk to breeders in your area- maybe someone would be willing to lend a hand if needed; start buying in whelping and weaning supplies and saving up for vet visits and puppy shots etc... and try to arrange a way for someone to be there 24/7 with her as she gets closer to whelping time...

please let us know how it goes at her check-up!
all the best!

Alison Mc · 10-03-2010, 04:33 PM

Could be she is in heat. might be her first when sometimes it,s hard to tell. Diffently go to vet, to find out, so if she isn't -make sure she doesn't get pregnant. GOOD LUCK!- Alison [Let us know whats up]

YorkieRose · 10-03-2010, 04:53 PM

If I had the choice of a bro/sis litter or a spaying..I will take the spay asap...that decision comes from nearly 40 yrs of breeding.

PS...you do not want to worm Yorkies on a monthly schedule..run a stool check every 3 months if parasites are a problem where you live...best wishes.

yorkielady06 · 10-03-2010, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

If I had the choice of a bro/sis litter or a spaying..I will take the spay asap...that decision comes from nearly 40 yrs of breeding.

PS...you do not want to worm Yorkies on a monthly schedule..run a stool check every 3 months if parasites are a problem where you live...best wishes.

I agree 100% and after nearly 21 years of breeding!!

Elle · 10-03-2010, 05:13 PM

Breeders do not breed siblings. This is not my definition of line breeding or inbreeding. This is a huge no no.

She's too young to be a mom. She isn't mature enough. Breeding too young robs them of a childhood, never to re-coup.

Even if the parents were health tested and your girl and boy were, it wouldn't change things. If you were wealthy without any other pets, it would also apply.

Spaying her now is the safest, most loving thing to do. Why subject her through risking her life? There isn't any reason not to spay her now. You have so many reasons that spaying her right now is the best thing to do.

The only way it wouldn't sensible is if she is in heat. She may be, this may explain some of her swelling. It would explain some licking. In this case, you need to keep the boy away from her now. Don't expect to see blood. She could have an infection.

Her vet records won't help you with anything expect her shot records. I would expect the unexpected. You are kind for taking them in. I can understand your concerns. Spaying now is safe, very human and in her best interest.

bellemarie · 10-07-2010, 02:34 PM

was just wondering if you have taken her to get checked out yet? was it good or bad news?

i hope your little girl is well!

BobbieD · 10-07-2010, 04:05 PM

There is a blood test the vet can do to confirm the pregnancy. I would start there and then make any other decisions after having a lengthy conversation with your vet. But I would take the little boy in now to be neutered.

BobbieD · 10-07-2010, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobbieD

There is a blood test the vet can do to confirm the pregnancy. I would start there and then make any other decisions after having a lengthy conversation with your vet. But I would take the little boy in now to be neutered.

I forget how far they have to be for the blood test, sorry. But discuss the spaying option with your vet. And I hope all turns out well.

TreasuresIsland · 10-07-2010, 04:14 PM

Hi all and thank you all for your input as it is appreciated. As for my lil Treasure, she is indeed pregnant and after doing my own research( also talking and getting info from previous owners) I have decided that I will let her have her pups. I have consulted all the possibles with the vet and he told me that being that this from what we know will be the first inbred line that it normally doesn't conduct any serious problems that we should need to worry about. The vet and I actually both spoke with the previous owners while i was in the vets office because he wanted to speak directly with her and get as much info as he could to make the final decision. According to previous owners she said that Treasure never showed any type of signs that led her to believe she was in heat so she never expected it and on that note she never thought the need to strictly supervise them playing considering that a heat cycle was not visible from what she saw. The parents of both bro and sis are not inbreeds at all which was great news and according to her the grandparents were not either. Treasure and Maximus (which are the brother and sister Yorkie that i have) were bred from this previous owners and so where the grands when they had the grandparents at one point. She said the grandparents were purchased from 2 separate litters at the time from 2 separate set of parents then of course they mated them a little time after whenever it was and out came the mommy of Treasure and Maximus. At that time when the mom was old enough which was last year, She mated the mom with a relatives Purebred Yorkie and out came my lil furbabies and here we are now with everything today. So based off the info the vet thought it would be clear and to rule out any serious hereditary problems and defects.His only concern was possible lack of calcium but he said it is not too high of a concern for him since she was previously on a puppy food which i have changed when they came home with me to a more high premium pup food and I am also giving her fat free cottage cheese twice a day per another YT members advice which vet said was fine.

We did an x-ray and he said a skull count of 3 definite were visible at this time but was unsure because it appeared that there were a possible 2 more so we are going to give it another week and do another x-ray. thanks again for all the advice. As for those who advised me to seek for an emergency spay, that did not sit comfortable with me considering that as much in her lil mind she knows she is going to be a mommy and then I get final say on whether or not she keeps them, i have no heart to take away her pups. I have more heart and compassion to deal with what is to come, for those who think inbreeding is such a huge ordeal maybe new research should be researched again. It could be a potential problem but only if there where a consistency of inbreeding through all the generations which here it is not the case. As for her puppy hood she will still have a great life and play and be spoiled so to me at the end of the day that is what counts. That I as a pet owner continue to properly care for her and give her the best life I possibly can. Some may not agree with my decisions but I am making sure that i take the right precautions that i need, i would prefer that from now i get some of you to give me advice on whelping and other things related to a healthy pregnancy and labor since i have chosen to allow her to keep her lil babies. And no worries, the inbreeding stops here once her pups are born since I will not be doing that. A mistake happened off my watch prior to being re-homed into my family no errors of mine and i had to make a big decision, So now lets all just embrace this moment and hope to god that wonderful healthy pups are born, Treasure is doing fine by the way and very active and attached to me as well. I was able to feel 2 pups in her belly today at least i thought they were pups when i felt her belly lol. She makes it rather difficult for me to feel because she always tries to run off she doesnt like to be on her side unless she lays that way herself. lol. well thanks again all and lets pray for healthy pups!

BobbieD · 10-07-2010, 04:35 PM

Well I am glad the vet says she should be fine. I can't offer you any advice on the whelping and such, but I can offer you an ear if you need it. I hope that everything goes good and wish you a happy thriving litter!

Have fun with the new arrivals. 3 or maybe even 5 that is gonna be so fun but a lot of work to. Let me know if you just want to have some one to chat to. Good luck.

BamaFan121s · 10-07-2010, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TreasuresIsland

As for those who advised me to seek for an emergency spay, that did not sit comfortable with me considering that as much in her lil mind she knows she is going to be a mommy and then I get final say on whether or not she keeps them, i have no heart to take away her pups. I have more heart and compassion to deal with what is to come, for those who think inbreeding is such a huge ordeal maybe new research should be researched again.

You know, I was actually rather impressed with your response until I got to this part.

Please, do not insinuate that your dog would suffer emotionally if she had an emergency spay or suggest that those who are well researched and with loads of experience in this area gave you poor advice, have unfounded concerns over inbreeding and that they are the ones in need of proper research. That's just insulting and nothing more than an unnecessary attempt to justify your decision.

If you've decided that you are going to allow her have the litter, than that's ultimately your choice. Kudos to you for going above and beyond to seek the best advice you could to ensure that everything goes as smoothly as possible. You are going to have to deal with the stress because of someone's else's oversight and you are certainly taking a more responsible route than many.

Hope all goes well for her. Good luck!

yorkieloved · 10-07-2010, 05:30 PM

Just wanted to say good luck with the litter. I know that this is not a typical breeding situation but what's done is done. You have very little time to prepare for the birth of these babies. I have posted a link below that has tons of useful information.

In doing your research, you may want to find a reputable breeder in your area that could maybe help assist you in the birth. Someone who has experience with small breeds would be great, but anyone who is knowledgable with the signs of distress during labor would be of assistance as well.

Again good luck and I hope all goes well for you and your treasure.

YL

Dog Breeding and Canine Reproduction by Debbie Jensen. Dog Breeding and Whelping guide for dog breeders.

Rhetts_mama · 10-07-2010, 05:52 PM

In breeding, when done by the novice, is a big deal. When close line breeding is done, it's done by only the most experienced of breeders looking to preserve the most specific of traits. Hopefully, you will beat the odds and the pups won't be the ones to suffer.

gemy · 10-07-2010, 05:58 PM

Good Luck with the whelping and your litter. You can start your research on whelping by looking at the stickies here.

Make sure your vet will be on call for you as whelp date approaches, and that he fully explains how to tell if your bitch gets into trouble. Put his numbers on your speed dial.

You should also go over with your vet all the whelping supplies you will need.

Yorkies do need assistance with birth. Read up on some of the mishaps here when they are not given the proper help aid and support. I'm sure your vet has informed you of the challenges of toy birthing. and how best to assist your bitch in labour, and during and after the birthing process. Make sure you count the afterbirths.

Best of luck

10-03-2010, 04:15 PM	#17
bellemarie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: belfast, northern ireland Posts: 520	this is a tough one, and something that is entirely up to you; hopefully all the information in this thread has been as helpful as you hoped it would be... one thing i always have to remind myself of, is that breeding and whelping (deliberately and accidently) is an expensive and sometimes heartbreaking thing to do- i lost a 7 week old pup suddenly to an anurism about 3months ago and i still find myself crying about it now- and that'll be me for a long time over her, and if i ever loose any more babys. i love my girls like parents love their children- (i'm assuming its the same with most furbaby owners) so loosing a little creature that you helped deliver into this world- the offspring of your much beloved pet- is a feeling that you cant really prepare for, and its made that bit more likely with such a close inbreeding as your new additions. personally, i would take her straight to the vet, see if she is pregnant for starters- if not, get whatever is causing the oversized abdomen treated, if she is pregnant and you don't want to immediately spay, talk to the previous owner about it, get an idea of 'heat' dates if possible (maybe they noticed her staining the furniture?) and compare those dates with the x-rays of the pups to ensure the sire wasnt a larger breed dog, then ask the vets experinces with inbreedings, do Loads of research, talk to breeders in your area- maybe someone would be willing to lend a hand if needed; start buying in whelping and weaning supplies and saving up for vet visits and puppy shots etc... and try to arrange a way for someone to be there 24/7 with her as she gets closer to whelping time... please let us know how it goes at her check-up! all the best! __________________ "...She will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of her heart; you owe it to her to be worthy of such devotion..."

10-03-2010, 04:33 PM	#18
Alison Mc Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Phoenix AZ. Posts: 78	Could be she is in heat. might be her first when sometimes it,s hard to tell. Diffently go to vet, to find out, so if she isn't -make sure she doesn't get pregnant. GOOD LUCK!- Alison [Let us know whats up] __________________ Last edited by Alison Mc; 10-03-2010 at 04:34 PM.

10-07-2010, 02:34 PM	#22
bellemarie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: belfast, northern ireland Posts: 520	any news? was just wondering if you have taken her to get checked out yet? was it good or bad news? i hope your little girl is well! __________________ "...She will be yours, faithful and true, to the last beat of her heart; you owe it to her to be worthy of such devotion..."

10-07-2010, 04:14 PM	#25
TreasuresIsland Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bushkill,PA Posts: 15	Hi all and thank you all for your input as it is appreciated. As for my lil Treasure, she is indeed pregnant and after doing my own research( also talking and getting info from previous owners) I have decided that I will let her have her pups. I have consulted all the possibles with the vet and he told me that being that this from what we know will be the first inbred line that it normally doesn't conduct any serious problems that we should need to worry about. The vet and I actually both spoke with the previous owners while i was in the vets office because he wanted to speak directly with her and get as much info as he could to make the final decision. According to previous owners she said that Treasure never showed any type of signs that led her to believe she was in heat so she never expected it and on that note she never thought the need to strictly supervise them playing considering that a heat cycle was not visible from what she saw. The parents of both bro and sis are not inbreeds at all which was great news and according to her the grandparents were not either. Treasure and Maximus (which are the brother and sister Yorkie that i have) were bred from this previous owners and so where the grands when they had the grandparents at one point. She said the grandparents were purchased from 2 separate litters at the time from 2 separate set of parents then of course they mated them a little time after whenever it was and out came the mommy of Treasure and Maximus. At that time when the mom was old enough which was last year, She mated the mom with a relatives Purebred Yorkie and out came my lil furbabies and here we are now with everything today. So based off the info the vet thought it would be clear and to rule out any serious hereditary problems and defects.His only concern was possible lack of calcium but he said it is not too high of a concern for him since she was previously on a puppy food which i have changed when they came home with me to a more high premium pup food and I am also giving her fat free cottage cheese twice a day per another YT members advice which vet said was fine. We did an x-ray and he said a skull count of 3 definite were visible at this time but was unsure because it appeared that there were a possible 2 more so we are going to give it another week and do another x-ray. thanks again for all the advice. As for those who advised me to seek for an emergency spay, that did not sit comfortable with me considering that as much in her lil mind she knows she is going to be a mommy and then I get final say on whether or not she keeps them, i have no heart to take away her pups. I have more heart and compassion to deal with what is to come, for those who think inbreeding is such a huge ordeal maybe new research should be researched again. It could be a potential problem but only if there where a consistency of inbreeding through all the generations which here it is not the case. As for her puppy hood she will still have a great life and play and be spoiled so to me at the end of the day that is what counts. That I as a pet owner continue to properly care for her and give her the best life I possibly can. Some may not agree with my decisions but I am making sure that i take the right precautions that i need, i would prefer that from now i get some of you to give me advice on whelping and other things related to a healthy pregnancy and labor since i have chosen to allow her to keep her lil babies. And no worries, the inbreeding stops here once her pups are born since I will not be doing that. A mistake happened off my watch prior to being re-homed into my family no errors of mine and i had to make a big decision, So now lets all just embrace this moment and hope to god that wonderful healthy pups are born, Treasure is doing fine by the way and very active and attached to me as well. I was able to feel 2 pups in her belly today at least i thought they were pups when i felt her belly lol. She makes it rather difficult for me to feel because she always tries to run off she doesnt like to be on her side unless she lays that way herself. lol. well thanks again all and lets pray for healthy pups! Last edited by TreasuresIsland; 10-07-2010 at 04:17 PM.

10-07-2010, 05:52 PM	#29
Rhetts_mama Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Georgia Posts: 5,959 Blog Entries: 1	In breeding, when done by the novice, is a big deal. When close line breeding is done, it's done by only the most experienced of breeders looking to preserve the most specific of traits. Hopefully, you will beat the odds and the pups won't be the ones to suffer. __________________ Don't get your knickers in a knot. Nothing is solved and it just makes you walk funny. Last edited by Rhetts_mama; 10-07-2010 at 05:53 PM.

10-03-2010, 02:03 PM	#16
kjcmsw YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Washington Posts: 837	Generally speaking, first generation mating of sibling dogs don't produce issues; that being said, it's "generally", after years of sibling interbreeding is where the deformities and other issues will show up. Talk to a couple vets --- if you get conflicting opinions, ask a couple more...plus do your own research, I think you'll find though this situation isn't optimum, it's hardly worth doing an emergency spay (something that cannot be undone) and forever rendering your dog unable to have puppies should that be something you choose do in the future. Talk to the previous owners again and tell them you just want to make sure she's safe and ask them if there any way she could have been breed by any other dog. You'll have to trust what they say and I would agree this is a pregnancy that should be monitored closely. If you're not ready to handle a litter and have serious doubts you'll want to breed her down the road, have the spay done and be done with it all. Only you can make the decision as to what's best for you, your dog, and your family. Kendra

10-03-2010, 04:53 PM	#19
YorkieRose No Longer a Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 8,577	If I had the choice of a bro/sis litter or a spaying..I will take the spay asap...that decision comes from nearly 40 yrs of breeding. PS...you do not want to worm Yorkies on a monthly schedule..run a stool check every 3 months if parasites are a problem where you live...best wishes.

10-03-2010, 05:13 PM	#21
Elle YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 881	Breeders do not breed siblings. This is not my definition of line breeding or inbreeding. This is a huge no no. She's too young to be a mom. She isn't mature enough. Breeding too young robs them of a childhood, never to re-coup. Even if the parents were health tested and your girl and boy were, it wouldn't change things. If you were wealthy without any other pets, it would also apply. Spaying her now is the safest, most loving thing to do. Why subject her through risking her life? There isn't any reason not to spay her now. You have so many reasons that spaying her right now is the best thing to do. The only way it wouldn't sensible is if she is in heat. She may be, this may explain some of her swelling. It would explain some licking. In this case, you need to keep the boy away from her now. Don't expect to see blood. She could have an infection. Her vet records won't help you with anything expect her shot records. I would expect the unexpected. You are kind for taking them in. I can understand your concerns. Spaying now is safe, very human and in her best interest.

10-07-2010, 04:05 PM	#23
BobbieD Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 31	There is a blood test the vet can do to confirm the pregnancy. I would start there and then make any other decisions after having a lengthy conversation with your vet. But I would take the little boy in now to be neutered.

10-07-2010, 04:35 PM	#26
BobbieD Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Alaska Posts: 31	Well I am glad the vet says she should be fine. I can't offer you any advice on the whelping and such, but I can offer you an ear if you need it. I hope that everything goes good and wish you a happy thriving litter! Have fun with the new arrivals. 3 or maybe even 5 that is gonna be so fun but a lot of work to. Let me know if you just want to have some one to chat to. Good luck.

10-07-2010, 05:30 PM	#28
yorkieloved YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: United States Posts: 8	Just wanted to say good luck with the litter. I know that this is not a typical breeding situation but what's done is done. You have very little time to prepare for the birth of these babies. I have posted a link below that has tons of useful information. In doing your research, you may want to find a reputable breeder in your area that could maybe help assist you in the birth. Someone who has experience with small breeds would be great, but anyone who is knowledgable with the signs of distress during labor would be of assistance as well. Again good luck and I hope all goes well for you and your treasure. YL Dog Breeding and Canine Reproduction by Debbie Jensen. Dog Breeding and Whelping guide for dog breeders.

10-07-2010, 05:58 PM	#30
gemy YT 2000 Club Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Huntsville,Ont,Canaada Posts: 12,340 Blog Entries: 2	Good Luck with the whelping and your litter. You can start your research on whelping by looking at the stickies here. Make sure your vet will be on call for you as whelp date approaches, and that he fully explains how to tell if your bitch gets into trouble. Put his numbers on your speed dial. You should also go over with your vet all the whelping supplies you will need. Yorkies do need assistance with birth. Read up on some of the mishaps here when they are not given the proper help aid and support. I'm sure your vet has informed you of the challenges of toy birthing. and how best to assist your bitch in labour, and during and after the birthing process. Make sure you count the afterbirths. Best of luck __________________ Razzle and Dara. Our clan. RIP Karma Dec 24th 2004-July 14 2013 RIP Zoey Jun9 th 2008-May 12 2012. RIP Magic,Mar 26 2006July 1st 2018