Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3275276)

It certainly can be a controversial idea. That is why for toy breeds and or companion breeds I suggested something like TT, or Canine Good Neighbour. If we look at dog breeds to evidence a "fitness to function", for our dear Yorkie, well I guess not many are using yorkies as ratters these days. I think they have evolved to be more companion dogs. And as companion dogs, their temperament should align with that function.

Perhaps for toy and or companion breeds, it will be a long time in coming, where the US and Canada align more with some of what the European countries are doing already today. But in my opinion the conformation ring, is a poor milieu to prove "fitness to function", other than the dog can move around the ring. And the brief physical examination.

I as a passionate lover of Yorkies, I want to keep a great temperament, health, and fitness in this breed. I want to be able to do my part as little as it may be to hand down to the next generation, a beautifull toy dog, that is capable of so much.

The issue of awarding conformation titles not soley on conformation rings, is a pretty big one.

It would affect every breed. I doubt I will be alive to see it.

But for my breed that is a working breed, I would support this idea. Working ability is inherited, along with many other things. If we only breed dogs that never earn any working titles, then over time, we erode their working ability as a breed. Unfortunately it is already starting to happen here in N.A. after only 15-20 yrs of breeding.

Many other working breed, herding, non-sport, etc, already are speaking louding about those concerns.

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3275292)

I would support it for a working or herding breed because they are still functional in that aspect....however, in most toy breeds you don't have them doing that sort of stuff. Yorkies aren't ratters any more. Most toys are just that companion dogs. But I still believe in a good structured dog and totally support that. They need to be fit and healthy. Of course my guys are lazy couch potatoes like their momma LOL...but they are of a healthy weight and they do run outside, run in and out the doggy door.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3275296)

I beg your pardon but my yorkies are still ratters, long hair and all. They love to go to the barn and hunt vermin. Why would you breed that out of them? Its the terrier in them. That is what we all most love about the terrier, not to be another lapdog.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3275301)

But you said"Yorkies aren't ratters any more" That is not true. They are ratters if given the chance. Sorry you don't have a barn for your dogs to play in, its a shame they are cooped up in a house all day.

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3275304)

If you would have read my other post you'd see that they go in and out a doggy door and run outside :) i'm sorry I just don't let my dogs go outside unless I'm home and I do work and my husband does come home every day for lunch to let them outside so no honey they aren't cooped up in the house all day.
Even if I had a barn they would only be in the barn playing in the hay long hair and all or with each other not chasing rats YUCK...

:)

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3275307)

Exactly I rest my case, the YTCA promotes a lapdog instead of the Terrier it was suppose to be. In and out a doggie door only when the owner is there from 5 to 9 pm other wise you stay in. Some life huh...
I truly feel sorry for the yorkies in these situations not being able to enjoy life and the instinct they have.
Keeping them in wrappers in cages so you can show them off. It is truly sad what you do to your yorkies.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3275319)

The one thing I can say about my dogs whether they are traditional colored or parti colored is that my dogs have a life. They are happy and healthy Terriers that all love to hunt and do the terrier thing. They are not in kennels or wraps for the show world. Not one of my dogs is scared or afraid to hunt mice or rats. They are all Terrier. How many of you show people can say your dogs are that brave? Or how many have ever seen a mouse?
The Yorkie was bred for it and when you take that away, you NO LONGER HAVE A TERRIER

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3275319)

The one thing I can say about my dogs whether they are traditional colored or parti colored is that my dogs have a life. They are happy and healthy Terriers that all love to hunt and do the terrier thing. They are not in kennels or wraps for the show world. Not one of my dogs is scared or afraid to hunt mice or rats. They are all Terrier. How many of you show people can say your dogs are that brave? Or how many have ever seen a mouse?
The Yorkie was bred for it and when you take that away, you NO LONGER HAVE A TERRIER

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3275332)

I agree Deb the terrier is being bred out of the yorkies.
Mine will chase rabbits, squirrels, dig for moles and have cornered snakes.

If show breeders continue on the present course the dog will be nothing more then lapdogs.

And the trend to breed shorter and shorter noses (extreme doll faces) not only will it effect the bite but the dogs will also start having major breathing problems.

Originally Posted by Brooklynn (Post 3275343)

doll faces aren't correct and shouldn't be bred for that...I love the correct nose. I wouldn't show a dog that was afraid of anything...they have to have that "terrier" attitude in the ring...I just sent home a yorkie that loves to growl at the bigger dogs in the next ring...gotta love that attitude so even tho I have a dog in wrappers and protect them in their pens when I'm not home to supervise they are all the way they are suppose to be....I invite Breezeaway to come watch Radar and Drea at a dog show and see how they act. I'd invite you to my home but nahhh dont let anyone in my home that tries and tells me my dogs aren't happy dogs...nothing personal :)

Originally Posted by yorkiegirl2 (Post 3275332)

I agree Deb the terrier is being bred out of the yorkies.
Mine will chase rabbits, squirrels, dig for moles and have cornered snakes.

If show breeders continue on the present course the dog will be nothing more then lapdogs.

And the trend to breed shorter and shorter noses (extreme doll faces) not only will it effect the bite but the dogs will also start having major breathing problems.