While all are based as you say on opinion, these are basic rules of any reputable breeder. And if they are poo pooed, well that is very indicative of a BYBer justifying their reason for breeding.

Being evaluated by a vet???? and one other person?????

Believe me, I have been asking!

That is exactly what you are seeing. Like I said, it wasn't the best time...and I *should* have had my wits about me and made sure the two were separated. BUT I DIDN'T and now I must make the best of the situation.
I appreciate your viewpoint and sharing them with me.

*sigh* Just to make conversation with others who share the joy of the breed. Maybe I'm not respecting others' time here on the forum. :(

Oh I am the first to admit I am not prepared. Definitely past time to get crackin!

Health tests have nothing to do with being registered by a breed club, if you had a good vet, he would have told you to get the tests. Vets don't have breed specific knowledge, and they have no idea of all the genetic illnesses troubling this breed.


"Dogs used for breeding should be free of all defects - that's the definition of quality. ("Papers" mean nothing; They are simply, and nothing more than, birth certificates. Plenty of dogs have "papers," but are so poorly bred they actually look like mutts.) And no human should ever breed any dog without veterinary/laboratory testing and pedigree research to be sure that dog is free of (and not a carrier of) genetic defects. FAILURE TO TEST/SEARCH FOR INHERITABLE HEALTH PROBLEMS IS THE NUMBER ONE MARK OF A BACKYARD BREEDER. IT IS ALSO THE MOST DAMAGING TO CANINES, AND THE MOST HEARTBREAKING TO PUPPY-BUYERS, WHO END UP WITH YET ANOTHER GENERATION OF POOR-QUALITY DOGS WHO TOO OFTEN DEVELOP EXPENSIVE, EARLY HEALTH PROBLEMS AND OFTEN DIE PREMATURELY." A COMPARISON OF: Responsible Hobby Breeders and Backyard Breeders/Irresponsible Breeders

Just what IS the purpose of YorkieTalk forums? Good question. Do you feel the purpose of a breed forum for breed lovers to support people that are harmful to the breed?

Great link Nancy. I would just like to add one thing: People sometimes bridle at the label of being a "breeder". But the fact is, if your bitch is having pups- you have just crossed over from being a pet owner to a breeder. And it doesn't matter whether you intend to keep those pups or give them away instead of selling them. By keeping un-neutered pets in your home, you are assuming the risks of everything that can happen. The lives of those pups and their health for the remainder of their lives is your responsibility.

The only good reason for breeding is to better the breed. Breeding for profit or "just because I want to" is a form of animal abuse, IMO.

Lots of excusing and excuses. Not a way to warm up to people. No need to ask for an opinions, only to put them down. Is she pregnant? Is it too late to have he spayed?

whats with all these people that want to breed lately and their bad attitudes.

The general population would be better off if more thought was put in to reproduction in general.

However, in the case of the dogs, this is something we are doing TO them, they don't have a chance to say they'd rather not breed, thank you very much.

A bad economy isn't good for dog breeds. Good breeders cut back, and bad breeders come out of the woodwork. Unfortunately, many people see it as "easy money."

Agenda Interesting.
 

You seem to have some disdain for what goes on here in Yorkie Talk, and yet some suggestions to improve the functioning of Yorkie talk. I find that refreshing.

First your vet should have (but of course vets are not breed specific, and most vets aren't repro vets) but let's put that aside for the moment, of course let's not put aside that most breed fanciers, and potential breeders know those two basic facts.

A vet can evaluate basic structure, but unless they are breed specific judges/long term breeders of Yorkies can not even begin to tell you if this dog is worthy of being bred.

Let's look at another perhaps the first basic requirement to insure this dog is healthy enough to be bred. Did he do BATs, CERF, and OFA before he deigned to evaluate your dog. Did this vet even mention it should be done?


You may sneer at these tests but have you looked at the 2007 Health survey of Yorkies, do you know the incidence of the crippling conditions in this breed? does your vet?

We can post all the lists you might think worthy, but unless people read them, it is so much fodder in the wind.

And NO I Don't think Yorkie Talk should post warnings et al. I believe there are many threads for sharing our love and joy of this breed that are best served within a chat/response forum.

I think as smart in at least one way I suspect you are, you had an agenda, mayhap that agenda has been fullfilled. IDK

We will always help someone in need, despite what we think about motives, and even their care of their Yorkies. For at the end of the day we are here to protect our beloved breed no matter whose hands they may find themself in.

Ooops you must have misread. I said HOPING for help, did not say that you asked.

I was referring to when she starts to whelp and you have NO CLUE what to do when she runs into trouble, because you did not bother to do your homework ahead of time. Because if you had, you would know the other signs of pregnancy

And yes your replys were very sarcastic and snotty.

Well of course dependant on interpretation, she is smart, and stands just <this side of> of slipping from ingenue and mayhap mocking respect , to sarcastic.

Is it me or do you also see people justifying things by saying "I'm not making money from her, not selling them, not registering, only having liter, just want a puppy for my cousin, etc".


If people don't care enough of her to spay her, what will become of her offspring shall they make it?

No it isn't just you......There is a lot of justification going on.