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Darlene68 08-02-2010 04:20 PM
Spoke to two breeders and need some advice.
 
I've spoken with 3 breeders today, and I am so confused. Here are sites for 2, the 3rd does not have a website.

This is one breeders site The FurKids Yorkies

this is another Joymason Yorkies: Breeder of Adorable Yorkshire Terriers


Both ladies were wonderful to talk too, and I am so confused on which one to go with. They both live in an area where they can fly the pup directly to me on a fairly short flight. Both pups I am looking at from each breeder are the same price $1500. I would love some input, if you don't want to discuss here, please PM me.

MyTrixie143 08-02-2010 04:39 PM
The first one has way too many dogs. 42 dogs counting the yorkies, biewers and 2 maltese!!:thumbdown

The second one looks good but there isn't a whole lot of information to go by so I would make sure you do more research into it.

Darlene68 08-02-2010 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MyTrixie143 (Post 3223521)
The first one has way too many dogs. 42 dogs counting the yorkies, biewers and 2 maltese!!:thumbdown

The second one looks good but there isn't a whole lot of information to go by so I would make sure you do more research into it.

Yeah, They are not all hers apparently she list some for a friend, because when I asked about a certain pup, she told me it belonged to this other person.

I know, the second website hasn't been updated in 2 years, the breeder sais she is not web savvy and she never really bothered with it.

Both ladies were very nice to talk to and very informative.

YorkieRose 08-02-2010 04:49 PM
What type of guarantee and contract do you get..? Best wishes

mojo 08-02-2010 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MyTrixie143 (Post 3223521)
The first one has way too many dogs. 42 dogs counting the yorkies, biewers and 2 maltese!!:thumbdown

The second one looks good but there isn't a whole lot of information to go by so I would make sure you do more research into it.
Wow, I cannot believe the number of females that first site had. Yipes.

Darlene68 08-02-2010 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3223541)
What type of guarantee and contract do you get..? Best wishes
The first I have yet to discuss in detail.

The second one has a very good contract, and she said she is there for the life of the dog if I encounter any problems or need advice.

yorkielady06 08-02-2010 04:54 PM
I know of neither one. I think that the 2nd one has pretty parents and does show. I would have to ask:
Pics of parents and pups
Testing done on parents and pups
Vet checked
References

Have you asked these questions? Answers?

Darlene68 08-02-2010 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3223553)
I know of neither one. I think that the 2nd one has pretty parents and does show. I would have to ask:
Pics of parents and pups
Testing done on parents and pups
Vet checked
References

Have you asked these questions? Answers?
Yes, I asked all these questions, and according to both breeders there are no genetic defects in their lines. I have seen pics of the parents of the pups, and video from both breeders.

Darlene68 08-02-2010 05:08 PM
The 3rd breeder
 
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This is the female from the 3rd breeder, she was actually recommended to me by Betty Ann Durrer. This little girl is a year old and 5lbs and $1500. I'm interested in her, I just don't know if I can get a direct flight for her, it is being checked out tomorrow. ( pups from each breeder are the same price. )

yorkielady06 08-02-2010 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Darlene68 (Post 3223563)
Yes, I asked all these questions, and according to both breeders there are no genetic defects in their lines. I have seen pics of the parents of the pups, and video from both breeders.
Ok let me list the tests you need to ask about.
Bile acid tests? OFA certification for hips and knees? CERF?
The no genetic defects in their lines is bologna....everyone has had them at least once. I feel that if they do not have any genetic defects in their lines then they should prove it to me with testing done on the parents.
How about the pups will they be bile acid tested prior to leaving? If the parents are not tested I would demand it for the pup before buying for sure.

After that I would check references of their vet and other puppy purchasers...
Like was said before just because someone charges 1500 for a puppy and may show does not impress me. This pup will be with you for years to come, take your time. Check into the references looking for vet hoping or bad experiences or health issues. Ask about the buyers experiences and how the dogs are kept. You can learn alot that way.

Good luck on your search. Do not settle for anything less. It will pay for itself in the long run.

Darlene68 08-02-2010 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3223576)
Ok let me list the tests you need to ask about.
Bile acid tests? OFA certification for hips and knees? CERF?
The no genetic defects in their lines is bologna....everyone has had them at least once. I feel that if they do not have any genetic defects in their lines then they should prove it to me with testing done on the parents.
How about the pups will they be bile acid tested prior to leaving? If the parents are not tested I would demand it for the pup before buying for sure.

After that I would check references of their vet and other puppy purchasers...
Like was said before just because someone charges 1500 for a puppy and may show does not impress me. This pup will be with you for years to come, take your time. Check into the references looking for vet hoping or bad experiences or health issues. Ask about the buyers experiences and how the dogs are kept. You can learn alot that way.

Good luck on your search. Do not settle for anything less. It will pay for itself in the long run.

Yes, one mentioned a girl she had with Luxating patella (sp) some years back, and another said one girl once was tested positive for liver shunt and they had her removed from breeding and spayed. Do you think 1500 is to much? I've seen puppies that people who are more or less throwing two dogs together just for the sake of getting some pups to sell, and they ask up to 1000$:rolleyes: I've looked at countless site, wrote to dozens of breeders, these 2 are closest to me for shipping. If you knew where I lived you would understand:rolleyes::) I will not purchase from either before contacting previous buyers and seeing the health guarantee in writing.

gemy 08-02-2010 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by yorkielady06 (Post 3223576)
Ok let me list the tests you need to ask about.
Bile acid tests? OFA certification for hips and knees? CERF?
The no genetic defects in their lines is bologna....everyone has had them at least once. I feel that if they do not have any genetic defects in their lines then they should prove it to me with testing done on the parents.
How about the pups will they be bile acid tested prior to leaving? If the parents are not tested I would demand it for the pup before buying for sure.

After that I would check references of their vet and other puppy purchasers...
Like was said before just because someone charges 1500 for a puppy and may show does not impress me. This pup will be with you for years to come, take your time. Check into the references looking for vet hoping or bad experiences or health issues. Ask about the buyers experiences and how the dogs are kept. You can learn alot that way.

Good luck on your search. Do not settle for anything less. It will pay for itself in the long run.
:thumbup: Once you know the exact names of the parents you can look up the CERF results and the OFA or in Canada they might use OVC Ontario Veterinary College, BATS asked to be faxed the pups actual Lab test result or scanned and sent in an email format.
I know you live off the mainland and that makes it very hard for you to personally visit breeders.
I would also want to know if this is the first breeding of this pair, or a repeat breeding. If repeat breeding, how has the first litters health been? Any problems reported to the breeder?
You can also cross check the BA Drurrer's recommendation with Loreta - see if she knows this breeder.

BTW I liked the pic of the dog which is the 3rd breeders dog.

yorkielady06 08-02-2010 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Darlene68 (Post 3223597)
Yes, one mentioned a girl she had with Luxating patella (sp) some years back, and another said one girl once was tested positive for liver shunt and they had her removed from breeding and spayed. Do you think 1500 is to much? I've seen puppies that people who are more or less throwing two dogs together just for the sake of getting some pups to sell, and they ask up to 1000$:rolleyes: I've looked at countless site, wrote to dozens of breeders, these 2 are closest to me for shipping. If you knew where I lived you would understand:rolleyes::) I will not purchase from either before contacting previous buyers and seeing the health guarantee in writing.
I hear you on the just putting 2 dogs together. ;)
I do not think 1500 is too much if the pup has been Bile acid tested and the parents have passed these health screens and the references turn out good. I think it is right on track. However, if the tests have not been done then to me it is too much.
I am glad you have asked alot. I would just want proof on the parents..but that is me.
I hope you find a healthy furbaby and I am sure you will!!!:D

Darlene68 08-02-2010 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by gemy (Post 3223600)
:thumbup: Once you know the exact names of the parents you can look up the CERF results and the OFA or in Canada they might use OVC Ontario Veterinary College, BATS asked to be faxed the pups actual Lab test result or scanned and sent in an email format.
I know you live off the mainland and that makes it very hard for you to personally visit breeders.
I would also want to know if this is the first breeding of this pair, or a repeat breeding. If repeat breeding, how has the first litters health been? Any problems reported to the breeder?
You can also cross check the BA Drurrer's recommendation with Loreta - see if she knows this breeder.

BTW I liked the pic of the dog which is the 3rd breeders dog.
Oh my, All those numbers confuse me, I feel so ignorant right now!:rolleyes:

Yes, I really like this yorkie too, Her breeder is Barbara Rowelll.

Beamers Mom 08-02-2010 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Darlene68 (Post 3223568)
This is the female from the 3rd breeder, she was actually recommended to me by Betty Ann Durrer. This little girl is a year old and 5lbs and $1500. I'm interested in her, I just don't know if I can get a direct flight for her, it is being checked out tomorrow. ( pups from each breeder are the same price. )
When I was looking for a Yorkie, I was looking for a Durrer Yorkie. I found a breeder in Michigan with the Durrer line.
I would say if Betty Ann Durrer recommended her she will be a good breeder.

WinstonMom 08-02-2010 07:16 PM
Darlene,

I don't know anything about the first breeder and do not know the second one personally, I do know, however, that Joymason has been breeding and showing in Canada for many years and I have not heard anything negative about her or her dogs. Third one, don't know of, but the girl looks really nice.

Bittsy 08-02-2010 07:49 PM
Yorkie $1500 OMG!!!
 
:eek:OMG $1500 for a dog that is insane sorry to say I cannot imagine spending that much you could definitely find a same qualified yorkie for under $700 people who charge that much are rip offs that's crazy.I would keep looking and never ever pay a head of time for a dog that is being shipped always pay in person that is the biggest rip off scam! Beware and be careful people prey on people looking for yorkies and just because they have a website doesn't make them legit! their are a ton of free websites out there.Good luck

WV~Yorkies 08-02-2010 08:27 PM
I am sure you will find the perfect puppy soon. Good Luck!

Darlene68 08-03-2010 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by WinstonMom (Post 3223724)
Darlene,

I don't know anything about the first breeder and do not know the second one personally, I do know, however, that Joymason has been breeding and showing in Canada for many years and I have not heard anything negative about her or her dogs. Third one, don't know of, but the girl looks really nice.
Thanks for the input on Joy Mason, she certainly is a lovely lady to talk too. The 3rd was recommended by Better Durrer, and I am waiting to see if the little girl can be shipped to me.

Darlene68 08-03-2010 03:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bittsy (Post 3223755)
:eek:OMG $1500 for a dog that is insane sorry to say I cannot imagine spending that much you could definitely find a same qualified yorkie for under $700 people who charge that much are rip offs that's crazy.I would keep looking and never ever pay a head of time for a dog that is being shipped always pay in person that is the biggest rip off scam! Beware and be careful people prey on people looking for yorkies and just because they have a website doesn't make them legit! their are a ton of free websites out there.Good luck
If you but a dog here for $700, it is likely a puppymill dog or from a back yard breeder!

Beamers Mom 08-03-2010 04:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bittsy (Post 3223755)
:eek:OMG $1500 for a dog that is insane sorry to say I cannot imagine spending that much you could definitely find a same qualified yorkie for under $700 people who charge that much are rip offs that's crazy.I would keep looking and never ever pay a head of time for a dog that is being shipped always pay in person that is the biggest rip off scam! Beware and be careful people prey on people looking for yorkies and just because they have a website doesn't make them legit! their are a ton of free websites out there.Good luck
I doubt a quality yorkie can be bought for under $700.
When I bought Beamer, even though I was looking for a pet, I wanted a quality dog from a reputable breeder. I could have bought several through the local paper for under $700, but I would have got what I paid for! Pay the extra and buy through a reputable breeder and get a quality dog that is not going to be costing an arm and a leg in vet bills down the road.
Beamer was a year old, but I still paid $1350 including shipping.
But I have a very healthy little boy, with good blood lines. I had no problem sending his breeder the money and having her ship Beamer to me. I would willingly buy another Yorkie from this breeder.
A good breeder has put a lot of money into the breeding of the dogs.
The prices may seem high to someone who has no idea what goes into breeding, but believe me, they aren't high.

You do get what you pay for (that has always been my motto in everything I buy)

Had I bought a puppy from this breeder instead of a 1 year old little boy I would have expected to pay a lot more.

Beamers Mom 08-03-2010 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Darlene68 (Post 3223904)
If you but a dog here for $700, it is likely a puppymill dog or from a back yard breeder!
Exactly:aimeeyork:aimeeyork

YorkieRose 08-03-2010 04:59 AM
First breeder sure has her hands full with all her dogs...but with good help it can be done..just looks like a high volume breeder.

I have known Betty Anne to refer several people to good breeders and the buyers were very happy with their pets..good luck

PS..$1500 is a very fair and average price ...best wishes

Rachael x 08-03-2010 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Bittsy (Post 3223755)
:eek:OMG $1500 for a dog that is insane sorry to say I cannot imagine spending that much you could definitely find a same qualified yorkie for under $700 people who charge that much are rip offs that's crazy.I would keep looking and never ever pay a head of time for a dog that is being shipped always pay in person that is the biggest rip off scam! Beware and be careful people prey on people looking for yorkies and just because they have a website doesn't make them legit! their are a ton of free websites out there.Good luck
:lol tears Thats rich coming from you.

JeanieK 08-03-2010 05:12 AM
As for the first breeder, what separates her from a BYB or mill. With that many dogs she is definitely breeding for money.

Personally I would not pay $1500 for dog from that one.

Prices are down right now and you can find lots of well bred puppies for less than that. I would expect to pay that much from a show breeder, but not from someone that breeds for profit.

Mardelin 08-03-2010 05:21 AM
I've heard of Joymason, she has lovely dogs and have seen a couple of her dogs in the ring. I personally don't know her or of her breeding practices.

My suggestion is to contact Lorraine/Loriben Yorkshire Terriers, a member here and knows of breeders throughout Canada. She's a YT member and also has a website, PM her, I know she'll provide you some honest input.

$1,500 hundren dollars is a fair price, that is if there is a good health guarantee in place and the dogs are a good representation of the breed.

Darlene68 08-03-2010 05:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3223966)
I've heard of Joymason, she has lovely dogs and have seen a couple of her dogs in the ring. I personally don't know her or of her breeding practices.

My suggestion is to contact Lorraine/Loriben Yorkshire Terriers, a member here and knows of breeders throughout Canada. She's a YT member and also has a website, PM her, I know she'll provide you some honest input.

$1,500 hundren dollars is a fair price, that is if there is a good health guarantee in place and the dogs are a good representation of the breed.
Thanks for the suggestion, I PM'ed Lorraine.
I am such a mess over trying to find the right breeder, I bawled on the phone to a friend today like a newborn baby:rolleyes: I can't believe how frustrating it is, especially when you live in an area such as I do.

Mardelin 08-03-2010 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Darlene68 (Post 3223981)
Thanks for the suggestion, I PM'ed Lorraine.
I am such a mess over trying to find the right breeder, I bawled on the phone to a friend today like a newborn baby:rolleyes: I can't believe how frustrating it is, especially when you live in an area such as I do.
It is very frustrating when one is attempting to go about their search in the right way. You're doing you're research will pay off in the long run. Take your time, be patient. This is a long term committment.....

Baron 08-03-2010 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Bittsy (Post 3223755)
:eek:OMG $1500 for a dog that is insane sorry to say I cannot imagine spending that much you could definitely find a same qualified yorkie for under $700 people who charge that much are rip offs that's crazy.I would keep looking and never ever pay a head of time for a dog that is being shipped always pay in person that is the biggest rip off scam! Beware and be careful people prey on people looking for yorkies and just because they have a website doesn't make them legit! their are a ton of free websites out there.Good luck
Good luck finding a yorkie for that price in this area. With the testing and caring for a puppy until it leaves home at a min. of 12 weeks, 700 doesn't even cover the expenses. Not for a good yorkie breeder. BTW , I am from Indiana

Reese1 08-03-2010 06:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bittsy (Post 3223755)
:eek:OMG $1500 for a dog that is insane sorry to say I cannot imagine spending that much you could definitely find a same qualified yorkie for under $700 people who charge that much are rip offs that's crazy.I would keep looking and never ever pay a head of time for a dog that is being shipped always pay in person that is the biggest rip off scam! Beware and be careful people prey on people looking for yorkies and just because they have a website doesn't make them legit! their are a ton of free websites out there.Good luck
Why is that insane?
There is a lot that goes into breeding, if you are a reputable breeder and not a BYB or puppymill.
Breeders that breed for the right reasons and for the betterment of the breed vs just for how much money they can get have a lot invested in their dogs.
I'm not and never could be a breeder, but I commend breeders who are doing it the right way and know their lines and do all the proper testing, etc...


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