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Mardelin 07-20-2010 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3207020)
Thanks for the explanation!
Believe me the Mother Club of any breed does nothing without full compliance of the AKC. BY Laws; how elections are handled, etc. Each club be it a breed club or an all breed club that is a member of AKC must follow all rules and regulations of the AKC. In our membership, it tells each YTCA member that if for any reason we have committed an infraction against AKC rules and are suspended or banned, we are automatically banned from the mother club too.

Mardelin 07-20-2010 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 3207024)
Mary - can't a hobby breeder also be one that is curently showing and has champions (both). Not just past tense?
Tina,

It was the way it was explained to me. A breeder/exhibitor usually breeds for their next Champion to add to their breeding program. One that is no longer showing, but still breeding to improve the breed, is probably still continuing with their passion, but more as a hobby. But, I guess you can consider both as hobbies.....cause we gotta be crazy to do it...

We pay for entry fees, hotel fees and travel expenses......for those 2 minutes the judge goes over your dogs....so, we got a be crazy.

topknot 07-20-2010 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3207049)
Tina,

It was the way it was explained to me. A breeder/exhibitor usually breeds for their next Champion to add to their breeding program. One that is no longer showing, but still breeding to improve the breed, is probably still continuing with their passion, but more as a hobby. But, I guess you can consider both as hobbies.....cause we gotta be crazy to do it...

We pay for entry fees, hotel fees and travel expenses......for those 2 minutes the judge goes over your dogs....so, we got a be crazy.
That is what I was thinking. And we usually also have a fulltime or part-time job to boot - most of us. We are crazy!!

I know what you mean about our expenses showing. I just reserved my hotel today for a show and having to pay extra 15.00 dog fee for hotel. Not bad, but have to watch those pennies. And I paid my entry fees last Wednesday on line and have the 3.50 added free since I pay on line. I did save 1.75 of that though. Then food and let's not forget the vendors!! They are so tempting. I need a new CC brush. Three in full coats now I have to get several new brushes. :rolleyes:

Mardelin 07-20-2010 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by topknot (Post 3207064)
That is what I was thinking. And we usually also have a fulltime or part-time job to boot - most of us. We are crazy!!

I know what you mean about our expenses showing. I just reserved my hotel today for a show and having to pay extra 15.00 dog fee for hotel. Not bad, but have to watch those pennies. And I paid my entry fees last Wednesday on line and have the 3.50 added free since I pay on line. I did save 1.75 of that though. Then food and let's not forget the vendors!! They are so tempting. I need a new CC brush. Three in full coats now I have to get several new brushes. :rolleyes:
You aren't taking the RV?

I have a new one coming up.....so, I'm starting all over again. Just began looking for wrapping jackets, cause before I know it I'll be needing one for her. And guess what, that puppy coat has already made me spend a fortune. And gotta start making those bows for her. Yep! Gotta be crazy.

topknot 07-20-2010 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3207073)
You aren't taking the RV?

I have a new one coming up.....so, I'm starting all over again. Just began looking for wrapping jackets, cause before I know it I'll be needing one for her. And guess what, that puppy coat has already made me spend a fortune. And gotta start making those bows for her. Yep! Gotta be crazy.
No, I am not taking the RV on this trip. My hubby is still recovering from his pace maker being put in last week. So I thought me taking a crash course in driving would be crazy. The show place does not have full hook up either, so my daughter who is also coming this time asked if we could get a hotel. We could probably drive back and forth with it only a little more than 2 hours away, but for her - we will make it easier. It will be some great family time, before school starts. She's in college. And I will probably not win - I am not very good at handling, but I can't improve unless I get out there. LOL :eek:

This is a real passion with what we go through!!

smartpuppiepets 07-20-2010 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3206791)
Belonging to a club doesn't prove one's ethics. You either have them or you don't. Code of Ethics and Conduct are guidelines for club members to follow. One doesn't have to be a member to follow them.

If your ethics and practices are impecciable, your reputation as a breeder/person will preceed you. You will become one that one wants to business with.

Just because one registers their dogs with AKC does not make you reputable.
Ditto :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

magicgenie 07-21-2010 03:50 AM
You're absolutely right---
 
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Originally Posted by Ladymom (Post 3206963)
I'm confused. :confused:

Your Code of Conduct says that breeders must follow the AKC standard, but the AKC does not set the standard, the YTCA does. The AKC is just a registry. On their "Meet the Breeds" page, the standard is copied directly from the YTCA.

American Kennel Club - Yorkshire Terrier

Don't you think that is misleading?
It's misleading, but just a small sin, don't you think? I will attend to the necessary corrections, but would be much happier to see you join the Club and actively participate in building the site and assembling the message we wish to put out.
Please cut us some slack as we put together this club whose purpose is, in the purest sense, to improve overall quality of our beloved breed. This is the place where the well intentioned BYB can get practical advice on how to advance to the next level without being overwhelmed by the show world. It's about support and encouragement without the pressure of competition, and recognition for good, caring breeding practice and responsibility to the families who purchase our puppies.

magicgenie 07-21-2010 04:10 AM
Hobby breeder---
 
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Originally Posted by my2boyz (Post 3206880)
Can someone explain what a 'hobby' breeder is?
Within our context, a "hobby" breeder is one whose interest in breeding is more for pleasure than making money. When we do have a little money ahead it usually goes back out for a better quality dog. We're interested in showing but reluctant due to shyness, thin skin, financial or time constraints. I show and have champions but consider it all a hobby.

Thank you all for your interest. Please join us to get direct input into what we say and how we say it.

YorkieRose 07-21-2010 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 3207395)
It's misleading, but just a small sin, don't you think? I will attend to the necessary corrections, but would be much happier to see you join the Club and actively participate in building the site and assembling the message we wish to put out.
Please cut us some slack as we put together this club whose purpose is, in the purest sense, to improve overall quality of our beloved breed. This is the place where the well intentioned BYB can get practical advice on how to advance to the next level without being overwhelmed by the show world. It's about support and encouragement without the pressure of competition, and recognition for good, caring breeding practice and responsibility to the families who purchase our puppies.
I do support anyone who sincerely tries to improve..but may I add one thing. To date I have never meet a breeder who continuely produces quality dogs away from the ring..either in it or at ringside. The ones who no longer show are still "ringside" in one way or the other.

magicgenie 07-21-2010 04:45 AM
Thank you for posting this--
 
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Originally Posted by peachbongi (Post 3206786)
I personally think the idea of YTCEHB is a great idea!

I have recently been considering where I fall as a breeder. I'm not seasoned enough to even think about YTCA, or to consider showing. Yet I don't want to be left out there to be lumped in with other breeders who may or may not be caring breeders.

With so many raids going on recently, there is concern that AKC registration is not enough to prove your ethics as a breeder.

I have really been struggling with this feeling of not knowing where I belong. There is a large group of breeders (not large enough) that are ethical as well as up hold AKC standards that may never be YTCA or Show breeders. Yet these breeders still give us beautiful pets to love raised under foot in loving homes.

These breeders should be recognized.
I hope you joined. The club IS for breeders like you--It puts you in company with caring, responsible breeders and can be the bridge to showing. We encourage our members to show and require they attend two shows per year. We recognize the importance of the showing and want to be there to help ease people into it if they so choose. My early showing experiences struck pure terror into my heart and it took a long time to go back. YTCA is not well represented here, IMO. So many times I longed for a club like this where one could feel respected for advancing in baby steps.

Thank you for your interest!

YorkieRose 07-21-2010 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 3207483)
I hope you joined. The club IS for breeders like you--It puts you in company with caring, responsible breeders and can be the bridge to showing. We encourage our members to show and require they attend two shows per year. We recognize the importance of the showing and want to be there to help ease people into it if they so choose. My early showing experiences struck pure terror into my heart and it took a long time to go back. YTCA is not well represented here, IMO. So many times I longed for a club like this where one could feel respected for advancing in baby steps.

Thank you for your interest!
:thumbup:

topknot 07-21-2010 05:08 AM
Susan, I am so sorry that your first experience showing was so scary. It should have been a great one with a support sysytem for you. Did you have anyone helping to guide you? All I can say is that my experience was great! Everyone was fantastic and I learned so much. I had some of the best mentors - top yorkie people and they were always so kind to me and after even returning to showing after a long break - I have been greeted with open arms and have made some great friends. If I ever need their help they are there.
:eek:You should have seen me with my first time in the ring - it was with my pet yorkie and the judge was Kathleen Kolbert. It was a total great experience.

BamaFan121s 07-21-2010 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by magicgenie (Post 3207483)
YTCA is not well represented here
Ouch! :shocked7q

magicgenie 07-21-2010 05:22 AM
Oops, sorry
 
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3207512)
Ouch! :shocked7q
By "not well represented here" I meant geographically here, New England, tiny group.

Mardelin 07-21-2010 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 3207512)
Ouch! :shocked7q
And not well respected by whom and why? Whether one has a dislike for them, they are still the yorkie governing club.


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