She mean the standard for parti is incredibly vague. If no structure to standard, you just have any dog in ring. If parti just mean 'not blue and tan' and should be allow in ring...That contradict the standard so bad I no understand how both colours can coexist peacefully. It like saying on one hand I believe this, and on other I don't. Standard cannot be 'blue and tan' and 'not blue and tan' just...No sense make to me.

From what I seen it is a guessing game. Different people different idea on how the parti originated, whether was crossbred or was always there or was specifically bred by man in US allowing leeway..There no specific answer, only opinion which to me is just big guess. Just my take on everything I read/heard from different breeder.

I understand that, but as I said earlier the color is an important part of the standard, and is written very detailed. Here's the way Colors are now written:




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How would you change that to include parti? Would you say all of the above and some random white?

Just what is vague about this.......
The Parti Color Standard is the same as the AKC Yorkshire Terrier with the exception being the color.

General Appearance
That of a long-haired toy terrier whose silky straight hair is parted on the face and from the base of the skull to the end of the tail and hangs evenly and quite straight down each side of body. The body is neat, compact and well proportioned. The dog's high head carriage and confident manner should give the appearance of vigor and self-importance

Head
Small and rather flat on top, the skull not too prominent or round, the muzzle not too long, with the bite neither undershot nor overshot and teeth sound. Either scissors bite or level bite is acceptable. The nose is black. Eyes are medium in size and not too prominent; dark in color and sparkling with a sharp, intelligent expression. Eye rims are Dark. Ears are small, V-shaped, carried erect and set not too far apart.

Body
Well proportioned and very compact. The back is rather short, the back line level, with height at shoulder the same as at the rump.

Legs and Feet
Forelegs should be straight, elbows neither in nor out. Hind legs straight when viewed from behind, but stifles are moderately bent when viewed from the sides. Feet are round . Dewclaws, if any, are generally removed from the hind legs. Dewclaws on the forelegs may be removed.

Tail
Docked to a medium length and carried slightly higher than the level of the back.

Coat
Quality, texture and quantity of coat are of prime importance. Hair is glossy, fine and silky in texture. Coat on the body is moderately long and perfectly straight (not wavy). It may be trimmed to floor length to give ease of movement and a neater appearance, if desired. The fall on the head is long, tied with one bow in center of head or parted in the middle and tied with two bows. Hair on muzzle is very long. Hair should be trimmed short on tips of ears and may be trimmed on feet to give them a neat appearance.
Colors
Parti-Color --Two or more solid colors, One of which must be white.( Must have 30% white on the body.)
Blue, White and Tan/Gold
Black, White and Tan/Gold
Gold and White
Tan and White
Brown/Chocolate and White
Brown/Chocolate, White and Tan/Gold.
Masks are preferable for the parti color but the nose, eye rims and lips must be well pigmented.
Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.
DISQUALIFICATIONS
Unilateral or bilateral cryptorchid. Viciousness or extreme shyness. Any change in coat color by artificial means. Albinism and Merle.

That. Extreme vague.

Yes, there are many other breeds that have color faults (I say faults because as the standard is written that is what they are)...They are able to register these color faults with the AKC but are not able to be shown in AKC conformation classes and should not be reproduced (Pets Only)...I know that Boxers for ex. are disqualified from the ring if they have more than 1/3 of white on their body...so yes they are disqualifed...

The standards are written to protect the breeds as they are, not to be toyed with...If we allow allow all of the breeds to be bred willy nilly..Just because there are a few others who like this color combination then we will not be protecting the breeds as they are now...They will no longer exist...that is simple genetics!

You cannot dictate where spots will be or what color the head will be in partis. Geeesh

Disney you need to go read up on Parti colors more. Not just the yorkie but other breeds of parti colors then maybe you will understand more.

I do not understand the history, I admit. Too many different story for me to get it. But I do understand colour, I just saying that be not being able to dictate or know what colour or how colour will be, putting into standard makes no sense. You can't have both ways. As the parti coat standard is now, there no room for both traditional and parti in the standard. When there more structure than just 'colour free for all,' then new colour will be accepted.

I agree with Disney, it is vague, and you have to write a standard so that a judge will be able to understand the best example of that breed. It just sounds like way it is written is too general, and you need to be more specific on where the colors are placed, the white may be random, but are all the other colors random too?

The yorkie has many examples of black and tan dogs. Even though they no longer adhere to the standard...many yorkies don't have the proper blue/tan coat. The parti is no different. It's all in how they are bred. Yes..some parti's will stay black...and many of the blue fades to light silver. For the most part...that is because pet bred yorkies are the majority of the lines being bred into the parti. Once they are consistantly bred to better quality yorkies..their color will improve drastically. This is just the beginning for the parti. Better days are upon us.

I know this will open myself up to critiques...but I don't care. Here are a few pics of my boy...who IMO has the correct dark blue on the blue portion of his coat. As you can tell...even in the last pic where he is shaved nekkid...his color is correct. It shows his nice structure and top line too. ;)

This is quite simple...IMO...The standard is already written for the Yorkshire Terrier and does not allow white...The standard requires it to be blue & tan and that it be in specific locations on the Yorkie...

Nancy you need to join Disney and read up more on parti colors and how you cannot place spots on a dog. They are random.
Your placing way too much emphasis on color instead of the whole standard.

Yes, and they considered pet quality and is not championed.

The debate is about colour so of course place emphasis on it? :confused:

I still curious to know: How can you fairly add 'any colour as long as 30% white and two solid colour' to 'blue and tan' without destroying standard?

EDIT: We know you cannot predict where spot. Hence we ask: How do you fair add to standard?? Even best parti breeder has no idea what coat is gunna pop out.

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Was the parti cocker spaniel standard too vague? Here it is again....

Parti-Color Variety--Two or more solid, well broken colors, one of which must be white; black and white, red and white (the red may range from lightest cream to darkest red), brown and white, and roans, to include any such color combination with tan points. It is preferable that the tan markings be located in the same pattern as for the tan points in the Black and ASCOB varieties. Roans are classified as parti-colors and may be of any of the usual roaning patterns. Primary color which is ninety percent (90%) or more shall disqualify.

There is no set placements for markings except the tan markings on the face of a tri colored parti. That meaning they have to have the same placement of tan markings on the face that they would have if they were just a blk/tan.

The parti cocker is judged every day in the AKC show ring from this standard.

Thanks.. I see they do go into detail, and I suppose we could defrine it closer by defineing the main color as white and stating that the spots are random, and of any size or number. Also the color on the head is to trun tan.



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This is an interesting example...The Cocker Spaniel is either Parti colored or solid nothing in between...The Yorkshire Terrier is not a solid colored dog so the example for genetics is not the same!

Not that I am aware of.

But correctly colored carriers can and will be shown!! :)

But that not the colourful yorkie standard so how is relevant? The standard we been shown vague.

No it is not. but the word parti still as the same meaning of random spotting. Not all 3 colored dogs are considered to be partis.

I'm not placing too much emphasis on color, thats the way the standard is written. Color is an important part of the yorkshire terrier standard. I'm not arguing with you that the parti colors spots are random, my argument is that you need to be very specific when you write a standard, and what you have written is not specific. I'm saying a judge would have no idea what a great example of a parti yorkie is, by what you have written. I'm really trying to think of this by how a judge would evaluate it. Lets say everything else is the same, head set, structure, ect and we get to color, how would a judge evaluate the parti colors?

Disqualifications for Cocker Spaniels shown in AKC....

Height--Males over 15½ inches; females over 14½ inches.
Color and Markings--The aforementioned colors are the only acceptable colors or combination of colors.
Any other colors or combination of colors to disqualify.
Black Variety--White markings except on chest and throat.
Any Solid Color Other Than Black Variety--White markings except on chest and throat.
Parti-color Variety--Primary color ninety percent (90%) or more.
Tan Points--(1) Tan markings in excess of ten percent (10%); (2) Absence of tan markings in Black or ASCOB Variety in any of the specified locations in an otherwise tan pointed dog.

There are many disq. with the added white to their breed!

Well purposing show parti carrier to get champion in your line is so unethical I cannot fathom. I would disgusted at exhibitor who deceive like that.

I was not questioning your definition of parti.....I for one would not want to see random color placement on the Yorkshire Terrier!

And that will NOT be the way to get anything accomplished with the YTCA...That will just prove the point that many unethical things are being done with the breed they love...The known carriers will be known and breeders will further tighten their lines to protect the Yorkshire Terrier as we know it and love it...

Yes I think you are right, we need to specify that the spotting is to be random and of not particular placement or size or number.

I'm not sure what the judges, that are judging them, are using as a guide, since I am not showing.

Maybe they don't evaluate the color at all. maybe when it comes to color, anything goes.

Yes I agree...Very bad route for them in long run, they make lot of enemies betraying trust like that to claw way to top.


Thanks you for answering! Feel like been asking for long time! :D

Well I suppose if ever allow show then we'll see what happen.