Neutered dog tying with bitch in heat
 

Toby Is neutered and maisie is in heat. They have tied twice today and took ages to separate both looking very uncomfortable as if they were stuck.

Is there any harm in this or should I keep them separated while they are unsupervised? Worried about them injuring each other.

You should keep them separated, they could get injured

You should separate them. If she runs and they're still locked together, that can seriously hurt your male.

They should be seperate at all times until heat cycle has been completed

It could also result in Maisie having a false pregnancy.

Yes I would seperate them.

I just wonder if the Vet got both Test's---if one was retained up in the belly this male could be able to produce puppies ! I've NEVER heard of a "totally" neutered male breeding--this brings serious questions up for me !

Never in my life, have I heard of a neutered male tying w/a female dog, in heat!!! I think I'd be having some serious discussions w/the vet that did the operation on the male...I, surely, don't know everything, but this one has gob-smacked me? I'll be watchin this post, to see what transpires...

Well toby is booked in at vets tomorrow for a teeth cleaning so I will be bringing this up. He did have a retained testicle but it was almost down so they were able to find it. They didn't mention any problems at the time of the op. I have had a google and apparenly it's not uncommon for a neutered male to tie. They can still produce testosterone but in smaller doses and have less urges. Still has me very nervous though. We have put a diaper/nappy on maisie now.

Beau was neutered in June at 6 months and still humps his bed like crazy!! I really thought this would have stopped with the neuter.

I have heard of neutered dogs tying with females in heat. Usually it's a dog who was used as a stud prior to being neutered. It does happen but yes, I would definitely separate them. One of them could get hurt.

toby wasn't a stud. He was neutered at 9 months and is now 16 months. Maisie is 10 months and her first heat, day 13 and this is the first day he has taken any real interest.

It's completely possible for a neutered male to tie with a female and not at all uncommon for them to attempt it and succeed. Ties are caused by swelling of the male's bulbus glandis, which is not altered or removed during a neuter. To answer your question, YES, although it is not possible for them to produce a litter, it is still extremely dangerous to allow a tie to occur and YES, it could result in a injury for one or both of them. They should be kept separated when unsupervised while she is in heat and he is showing interest in her.

my thinking is the male was not "totally Neutered" if he had a retained test--then the one up in the belly is producing hormones making him capable of the tie--every neutered male I've ever seen is totally unaware of females--most done early squat to pee---I think the male was not properly fixed !!! And if he wasn't then he could posibly produce pups---the only thing that might prevent it is the temp in the belly is to warm and may kill any sperm---but I'd mark the breeding down and in 60 to 65 days we will SEE IF HE IS FERTILE---hopefully he isn't

Even with both testes removed, the body still produces some testosterone in the adrenal glands. So the drive is still there, just not as strong.

I am just curious, how long ago was he neutered?

Last December. Checked with vet and full castration was done. He is not able to reproduce

I understand that even though that they can tie, it is not healthy that they can get infections from it

You obviously don't know what your talking about! Just because he is "neutered" doesn't mean he has no interest in females.
They can't reproduce that's it. I have a male who was PROPERLY fixed! My female was in heat in May and he was VERY interested in her still! And was very interested in my mom's female while she was in heat as well.
He was never used as a stud and was fixed about 7 months ago. He squatts to pee as well and has no retained testies anywhere. Please look info up before you jump to conclusions that the vet didn't do the job of fixing the male!

Tell me about it! :rolleyes:

My three year old was neutered at eight months old & he's still the randiest thing on four legs whenever one of my girls is in season.

Not my two little Yorkie girls mind as they are both neutered.....Oh no, his ambitions are bigger than that as they are Skyes, weighing in at least five times bigger & 30lb heavier than his 5lb. :rolleyes::D

Luckily he hasn't yet acquired the use of a step ladder.

Well I have learned something today--I've never heard of such ! I've never owned a fixed male but my sister has and her males never showed any interest in a female much less bred---and her dog was around my intact female a lot--but can't remember her being in season around him !! Something NEW !! I'd be interested in what the Vet says about this---has she taken him to the Vet yet ??

SHARK ATTACK !!!!!!!!!! Who says you know what your talking about--ARE YOU A VET ???????

I asked the vet nurse yesterday and she didn't sound surprised that he has been taking an interest. She checked his history and it was a full castration. So now maisie is in a diaper and in an exercise pen. Hard work at the minute tho.

Hope this thread doesn't get nasty. Obviously it's not very common for a neutered male to show interest but a quick google shows it does happen. To be honest the comments saying that toby hasn't been neutered properly have upset me and now I am worried. I have every faith in my vet and he did a brilliant job on Tobys hip for legg perthes but now I will be wondering about maisie for the next 2 months and I am pretty sure it is unnecessary.

I'm sorry to make you worry--but I've raised dogs a very long time and have never heard of a Neutered male breeding !! Of course I don't have fixed boys ! So I could be very wrong---BUT if by mistake the Vet did not get the second Testical this male could be capable of producing puppies ! Of course the Belly heat could kill any sperm and you could be safe. I don't want to alarm you but for sure I'd speak to a professional (VET) about this matter. It's one thing for a fixed male to hump on a female--but to TIE with a female--I've never heard of that before. I just don't want you to listen to UN-professionals and be mislead---I'm NOT a professional so please ask your Vet ! But Just in case watch that little girl and be prepared JUST IN CASE !! Better safe than sorry !!

I would just like to warn you that a diaper will NOT stop them from mating and the Xpen is NOT enough of a barrier either. When you leave the house you really need to keep them totally separated so that someone does not get injured. There have been others on here that have tried to use diapers and belly bands as condoms (I understand he is neutered and pregnancy is not the risk) and they ended up with a litter of puppies.

I hope I can put your mind at ease just a bit. A testicle not in the scrotal sac is not something a vet is going to miss, it's easily palpable upon examination. And in fact, it's something that you would have discussed with your vet prior to having your boy neutered because it would have required a more invasive type of surgery to locate and remove.

Spermatogenosis (the creation of sperm) only occurs in one place- the testes. No other tissue in the body is capable of producing them. The bulbis glandis is erectile tissue that remains after neutering. Because that tissue remains, erections can and do occur. As I stated before, testosterone, though primarily produced in the testicles, is also produced by the adrenal glands, so the behaviors associated with the hormone can remain.

The actual "locking" that occurs during mating is the result of the female clamping down around the male. It is possible that the tie will result in a psuedocyesis, or false pregnancy because the physical act of mating can set off a chain reaction of hormones in domesticated animals. In fact, even spayed females can undergo a false pregnancy if they tie.

There was some good information on false pregnancy on the breeding thread. It's not dangerous, it doesn't affect future reproductive capabilities (if you are considering breeding your female down the line).

You say you have faith in your vet and he did an great job with your dog's L-P surgery. Then have confidence that he could count to 2 and would know that he performed the castration successfully.

Thanks very informative

I wasn't trying to get nasty but I could understand because the comments the other poster was making was a bit offensive to me! It sounded like they were IMPLYING it was impossible and that your dogs surgery didn't get done properly.



I am definitely not a shark that is rather rude!:rolleyes: