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They are beautiful! I noticed the comment about undocked tails! The Netherlands are so progressive. Good for them. I wish they would outlaw the practice here as well. |
Thats another thing im nervous about, my mom is very willing to send me a baby from South Africa, but i know that they still do the tail docking... im going to take my time and i will go and visit this breeder that i called, maybe put my name down on the list to get a pup from her in the future, i dont want to rush into it, i have a beautiful baby to spoil rotten.... but i will definatly be getting a second one in time to come :) |
Just got my new baby from internet sale :thumbs_up I looked for about a month for a female and finally found one that I liked and that was not $3000. It is amazing how much some of these sell for. Anyway, I found her on the internet PuppyFind. I talked to the seller sooooo many times, I was afraid she would think I was a stalker. :D She sent lots of pictures of the litter, and mom and dad. As time came for her to be shipped I do not know who was more nervous, me or her. She called me 4 times the day Cheyenne was shipped and I called her twice. She has called me every week since we got her just to make sure everything is going good. She made me a CD of Cheyenne from the day she was born to the day she left. Since we did not get to see her until she was 18 weeks old, I thought that was great!!!!! She also sent me a "care package" with a diaper bag, 3 baby blankets, stuffed lamb toy, 3 other toys, snack food, all her papers, her pedigree, and chew bones. She also had her micro chipped. I had to promise her I would send pictures every XMass and on Cheyenne's birthday every year. She will not sell any of her babies until they are over 12 weeks. I saw one breeder who was selling a litter and they were only 6 weeks, this is just way to early for yorkies. |
My experience with tring to sell on the internet has been terrible. I have had people tring to scam me. They want to send checks for more than what I am wanting for my puppy even after I tell them I will not accept it. They are wanting me to deposit the money in my account and then refund over amount to them. They waste my time. Have any of you dealt with any of these? |
I don't get it? Do you require a cashier's check? |
It is a big scam, these people contact you saying they want to buy your dog you are selling for $1000 then they say the have a check for say $2000 that they want to send to you, they ask you to send what the difference is eg. $1000 back to them. The cheques look real and when you take them to be cashed at the bank the seller finds out they are fake. The scammers sometimes walk away with the sellers money and sometimes even the dog. It is not just dogs for sale they target but a lot of products people sell on the internet. |
Here is a link that talks about this scam and others and what you can do. http://www.bustedupcowgirl.com/scampage.html |
One said he was going to send a Postal money order. but then turned around and said he was going to have a third party that owed him money send it to me. They tell you all kinds of things. Some can not even remember what they told you the time before even when the email is still is on the reply. Not very smart scammers. |
The is a place to report on the web. http://www.ifccfbi.gov IC3 2004 Internet Fraud - Crime Report January 1, 2004—December 31, 2004 Counterfeit Check Schemes A counterfeit or fraudulent cashier’s check or corporate check is utilized to pay for merchandise. Often these checks are made out for a substantially larger amount than the purchase price. The victims are instructed to deposit the check and return the overage amount, usually by wire transfer, to a foreign country. Because banks may release funds from a cashier’s check before the check actually clears, the victim believes the check has cleared and wires the money as instructed. One popular variation of this scam involves the purchase of automobiles listed for sale in various Internet classified advertisements. The sellers are contacted about purchasing the autos and shipping them to a foreign country. The buyer, or person acting on behalf of a buyer, then sends the seller a cashier’s check for an amount several thousand dollars over the price of the vehicle. The seller is directed to deposit the check and wire the excess back to the buyer so they can pay the shipping charges. Once the money is sent, the buyer typically comes up with an excuse for canceling the purchase, and attempts to have the rest of the money returned. Although the seller does not lose the vehicle, he is typically held responsible by his bank for depositing a counterfeit check. |
I used the internet to search local classified ads on line. I had my puppy before the ad was even published in the newspaper. It was lucky that I saw the posting a 1/2 hour after it was posted. I checked her out first because she was the closest. I did not have to look further. I also used the internet to contact local breeders through the canadian kennel club. Most breeders got back to me the next day. It was a great experience for me to use the internet as a resource for finding my Yorkie Puppy, I had her in 48 hours! |
I live in Oregon. where is breeder located in oregon? |
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Have you looked at the Yorkshire Terrier Club of America's breeder referrals ? |
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if you get scammed not only do you not get your puppy - you are out the money !! There are way too many ways to get taken these days - and it's up to US to do our homework - |
I have had five of them trying to buy my puppies. It is driving me crazy trying to weed them out. I think I have one sold just to find out they are a scammer. I am getting wiser now. I can spot them quicker. It is just a pain. I think I will just put an ad in the paper. A friend told me that if I wanted to be reputable breeder I should not. What is the difference from the net? |
[B]Please read this: Just wanted to share my internet experience with you guys. I bought my 2nd yorkie from someone I found on puppyfind.com...The lady was really nice and she told me she was the breeder. She even told me that she had the parents there and what their sizes were. She SEEMED like a reputable breeder. She asked for a money order, so I sent it to her overnight and she sent me my baby two days later. Here's the problem: My yorkie didn't have any ID(microchip, tattoo, or even an ID collar), and she didn't send the bill of sale or the contract. Upon reading his paperwork, we saw a discrepancy between the ages stated on the shot record and the health certificate required to ship the pup. We called her to ask her about it and she yelled at my husband for 10 minutes straight! We couldn't believe it. She was telling us that her yorkies were healthy...we weren't even questioning his health. She hung up on us, and she changed her number! Then, he was being very lethargic, so I took him to the vet...He had a heart murmur, luxating patellas, an upper respiratory infection. Also, he had a very severe case of coccidia and hypoglycemia which almost killed him twice! They told me he wouldn't live through the night, but he did thanks to God. He got better because we vowed that we were going to make him healthy again, and he did get healthy, or so we thought. Months later, we found out that he has a liver shunt. They went in for the surgery, but they couldn't find it, which means that it's somewhere that they can't reach. We also found out during this time that the lady wasn't a breeder...She bought her puppies from a PUPPYMILL and she was selling them as her own!!! Just be careful if you are considering purchasing a dog over the internet....Try your best to find someone in your area or ask around. Wait until you find the right person to purchase from. I learned this the hard way. |
Yorkieluv ...That's awful for you - what a truly scary experience when getting a puppy should be a joy ! unfortunately that's the way things can be - we aren't ABLE to see the sites we're looking at online - anyone can make a pretty webpage and sound good on the phone.... They count on us to fall in love and keep the puppies...sick or not... so it really doesn't matter to SOME of these people what they sell...You really had a bad experience...on top of being so traumatic with worry when we get a sick puppy - it gets EXPENSIVE and we'll do anything to make them feel better - I was with Chanel NIGHT and DAY when she was so sick with coccidia - we didn't know she had it and ended up in the ER - HER breeder denied it also and yelled at us saying she didn't even know what it was !! Lie....she did and now has it covered in a contract ....so she's STILL selling ill puppies. Once I add my emergency bill on top of what we paid for Chanel it adds 400 to the cost of having a new puppy ...so it's always in the buyer's best interest to ALWAYS check out internet breeders no matter how nice they sound. |
Yorkieluv, I am so sorry to hear about your bad experience with internet purchases.. I was going to get my baby off the internet but I heard these horror stories and that was when I decided to go elsewhere.. Just make sure the internet sellers have a good repuatation!! |
Yes, it's scary both ways. Buying and selling. We are going to have a litter of puppies later this year and I have advertised a little on the internet. I have had SOO many fake emails from people stating they want to buy. Some are very easy to see - like when they want to know the current condition...it's like ummm it's a puppy that's not even born yet! LOL I don't know....I have a waiting list and everything, but it's much nicer to be able to meet the people first. After all these are our babies and we want every one to give them a home like we give ours!! |
Yes, it gets very expensive, it has been much more expensive than we ever anticipated, but I'll do anything to save my yorkie's life as I know most of us would. :) Miko is really like our son, we love him so much. We all just need to be very careful when buying from people we don't know. I'm so sorry that Chanel was sick when you got her too Red98vett! Coccidia is really dangerous in a young pup. |
I have wasted so much time with them. Most of my inquiries have been scammers. I can usually spot them now. You can usually pick up that they do not know how we say things. Usually they cannot spell very well (not that I can but I do know how to use spell check). Some do not want to give up even after you tell them that you know that they are trying to scam you. We are just starting out. This is our first litter. Just hoping to find our boys good homes. |
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of course it started right befor the weekend with the runs... then..clear stuff..then blood ....and then she turned so lethargic so we went to the ER at 2 am - HER BREEDER SAID IT WAS NORMAL for her to be like that ! We trusted her & that was my first mistake. For 3 or 4 days waited it out thinking she would get better. I KNOW if we didn't rush her in to the hospital she would have died ... The breeder totally denied knowing even what coccidia WAS... but the ER doctors assured us that she came to us like that - it just took a few days to show symptoms - and she was a sick little girl. I never left her side even for a minute during that time...I was so scared for her. |
I have to say, I 'use' the internet as a way to show off my babies. There are few of us that are responsible reputable breeders that post pictures on website for the world to see :) The difference is that I do not ship, I required personal pick up only. I still have the right to refuse at the time of pick up if I don't 'see a connection' between the puppy adn the new parents to be. I also do extensive interviewing as well... The best advise I can give to those that buy a puppy off the internet, say you want to come pick up the puppy in person. Say you are gonna rent a car to drive to their home and pick up the puppy...don't agree to meet somewhere...even if you don't intend on picking up the puppy..sometimes bad breeders will make excuses most of the time..that is a BIG RED FLAG... Hugs! Irene |
Internet Pups My friend and I are breeders,and this is our first experience with buying off the internet. I will let you all know how it goes. I am really nervous! We are buying an new color of Yorky developed in Germany over the last 16 years, called; Biewer Yorkies. It is a recessive gene for a peibold color. The pics I've seen are very pretty. There aren't any breeders of this type on the West Coast that I have found, so this breeder is in Arkansas. One or the other of us talks to her every day and email. Her name is Gail Pruitt and her kennel is called, "Pruittyorkies". She has a deposit and my friend is going to fly out and pick up the dogs when they come from Germany. I will tell her to go to Gail's house and not just meet her somewhere. At least if we get scammed, it won't be for the whole amount. We are talking 2 pairs, 2males and 2 females $15,000.!!!! Pray for us..........Thanks. |
Wow - I know we have SEVERAL Biewer lovers here - that's alot of money - I hope you can stay around for any advise from them.... |
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I am also planning on breeding Biewers. I have done extensive research and talked to several breeders in Germany who are also members of the club in Germany that recognizes them. Some of the information I have is different than what you have about Biewers. Did you get the info from the person you are buying them from in the US? This is my PERSONAL OPINION ONLY..BUT!...Breeders in the US are not educated enough on the breed to be selling them for breeding to other breeders yet! ESPECIALLY for that kind of money. Vist my website and go to the Biewer Gals page, there is the standard of the Biewer (which is considered another breed in Germany). The History and Standard were provided to me by a reputable breeder in Germany. I passed it on to the clubs and other breeders in Germany to make sure it's accurate and it is!!! Please follow the standard as close as you can when selecting for breeding. I want to help this breed become recognized in the states and to do so we must adhere to the stardard started in Germany and not modify it. A very dear friend of mine who is a show breeder once told me when selecting a Yorkie for breeding/show follow the 3 fault rule. what that means is if you see more than 3 faults more than likely there are more than 3 so it would be wise to pass on something like that. With Biewers we need to be super picky, the breed is still very knew. Faults that I would stay away from are those that are marked in correctly. When you read the standard it calls for them to be marked a specific way. So if you are offered on that is all white with little color on the face, I would stay clear of that. That is not within the standard...i hope this all makes sense. If we adhere to the standard we can't go wrong..if we don't then we can end up with 'Tri-color' Yorkies that are not AKC registered. Not that there is anything wrong with Tris...but they don't have to be marked a specific way...think about Bernese Mountain Dogs..they have 3 colors right?? Well each one is marked the exact same way...that's what they Biewer is from Germany. I know of many breeders in the US that have Biewers that are mainly white and barely any color at all..not think along those lines with the Bernese MOuntain Dog..how odd would that be to see one that is all white on the body and a little color on the head... I forgot to warn you ahead of time I am PASSIONATE about Biewers and I hope I didn't offend anyone out there. Believe me I love all creatures great and small but we do have to becareful when selecting for breeding!! Feel free to PM me with any questions. I'm still learning too, but I'll try to help. Hugs, Irene |
There are 2 standards for the Biewer that are written in the USA. Check to see which one your breeder is referring to and make sure it is accurate. I have seen pics of one puppy that has pink freckles on her nose and the standard I believe says the nostrils should be all black. Is that a fault? Well, in the ring it should be. Does it stray from the standards? Again, yes that should be a fault. I would disagree that there are not breeders in the US who are educated enough to sell Biewers as breeders conforming to the standard. I personally know of 3 people who are very well versed in the breed and the standards. There Are shows in the US that are sanctioned by the breed club. Those people are knowledgeable but most likely will NOT sell Biewers with breeding rights unless certain criteria are met. I do not know your breeder but I have heard the name. A biggie is PSS free stock; another is hip and eye-negative testing. You can visit the Biewer Club of America site and the standards are there. There is also another breeders club but, my understanding is that one does not recognize the other. I do not claim to be an expert on these babies,I just know that I love my 3 Biewers dearly. I also love my AKC parti male as much.. If he didn't have a docked tail, he would meet the Biewer standard. For that reason, he is being DNA'd...I do not want any misconceptions as to whom the father of my puppies are when they start whelping. I will be breeding one pair of partis and the piebald gene that produces the Biewer is the same piebald gene that produced my parti boy. It is great to see so much passion about a breed as these Yorkies. And, the Biewers whether a breed apart or not will create quite a stir when we all start with our puppies. woooooohoooooo! I would think that for the amount of money you are paying, you could make arrangements to go to Germany and bring home puppies straight from the mommie's womb. I would like to see pics no matter where you get them. I love baby pics!! |
Just conversation..nothing more! That's right there are 2 clubs here in the US. The BYA and the ABC. I did read their sites and they both have different standards. At this point I don't agree with either club. The BYA accepts Biewer/Yorkie crosses and then the ABC bad mouths a breeder in Germany..the breed is still so new that the lines from the breeder she is bad-mouthing are still in the Biewers she owns..it's only be 20-some years. One thing I notice alot is that some people say a Biewer is just a Yorkie not it's own breed..Well if that was the case then why do we have Biewer Clubs? They should be rolled into the YTCA. I look at it this way. I'm gonna do just as the Germans and alter nothing. I have registered my Biewers in my name with the club in Germany. I plan to do so with the pups I produce, this way, there will be consistancy. So I guess there 3 ways we are attempting to bring this beautiful breed in the US. Whichever pravails, we shall see. I could be way off base, but this is how I believe it should be done. Back to selection candidate for breeding, Rini birings up important points!! First and foremost health should be cleared by genetic testins. I feel parents and their pups need to be AT LEAST!! Then the markings. My Harmony has a dash of pink on her nose. It is a fault it supposed to be all black. However there's only little pink left. It's still turing. SO I am hopeful. That's her only fault and it's one that I can live with. I love BIEWER & YORKIE TALK!!! Hugs, Irene |
I just have a few thoughts on this I don't have either parti or Biewers but have been reading about them and watching things develop with them for years. I can't see the AKC ever recognizing the German Biewer when they are really just off colored Yorkies, the same as the parti's are. Since they do have American breeders that have DNA tested their parti's to prove they are from registered Yorkie parents they would be accepting a breed they already paper. Even though the standards are not the same as in Germany. The parti probably has no chance with the YTCA ever giving them a verity. At least not any time soon. I would love to see the 2 parti's combined to create a verity that are American. If they are bred for generations here I believe they could be given a verity or breed classification in maybe UKC. This way the genes would have some diversity and the American breeders who have also been working on this color for years aren't shut out by a foreign registry. Then maybe AKC would follow suit once they have been shown in UKC a while. Just my thoughts, it doesn't mean much. LOL |
Interesting thought!! CC, That's right, the YTCA will never recognize Partis let alone Biewers; at least not in my life time..lol I do believe the Biewers need a Club of their own. That was a very interesting thought about Combining the 2, Partis and Biewers to form one club that accepts both. But my understanding. There needs to be a standard. I wonder what the standard would be if they combined the 2? Something to think about. Right now keeping my lines pure with German breeding I can't go wrong. I guess time will tell.. I am going to begin Obedience and Agility training for my Biewers as a way to recognize them. They can still earn titles but not through the AKC. If it works great! If not, well we'll have fun anyway!! Hugs, Irene |
Hi, I love love love the look of Biewers!! BTW, how is that pronounced?? In my uneducated opinion, LOL, I think they will be extremely popular in the US in years to come and will be given a breed category. Are you expecting them to be very expensive? If I can afford it, my next puppy will be a Biewer!! |
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