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Breeding question... We have a new male purebred Yorkshire Terrier that we inherited. He is 4 years old and still has his testicles. We would like to breed him. We have his record papers, but he has not been registered with the AKC. We were able to get in touch with the breeder and were told that he is not supposed to be bred (as stated in verbal agreement with original purchaser). In the paperwork there is a field for designating whether or not it's OK to breed him, but it is not blacked out to indicate that he is not supposed to be bred. In other words, there is no documentation that confirms the breeders claim. As new owners we would like to breed him, but have no idea how to proceed. Does anyone have any recommendations on how to properly move forward with breeding him, given the aforementioned situation. Thanks for your help! :animal-pa |
Why do you want to breed him? What do you know about his pedigree and the health of the dogs in said pedigree? This is a breed with a LOT of health problems and that is exacerbated by the fact that people are breeding YTs without knowing what is behind the dog. Are all the dogs in your dog's pedigree healthy? How is his temperament, his confirmation? What health tests should be done before breeding? Should he be CERF'd, OFA? What about the bitch you are going to breed him to? There are a lot of people on this list who have had to care for dogs with serious genetic problems, and have had their hearts broken for the pain the dog has to suffer. An AKC registration does not insure the dog was well bred, I am sorry to say. Look at all the puppies coming from puppymills with AKC registrations. There might be a reason the breeder doesn't want the dog bred. |
You are probably not going to like what I have to say however, you have ask for advice. The fact that the breeder has colored in the box with the numbers indicating full registration (meaning limited registration aka no breeding rights) you spoke with the breeder and are informed of their wishes and intentions, you should honor them and not bred the male. |
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Hopefully this will be a lesson learned to the breeder and he/she will take the appropriate precautions so that they will not have to deal with this in the future. |
Why do you want to breed him? He was sold as a pet by the breeder, correct? Breeders usually have contracts written and signed by the original owners that state the dog will be spayed or neutered. They do this for dogs that are of pet quality. Your inherited dog should be neutered as the breeder wishes in my opinion. Do you realize that once a male is studded out he marks. An intact male dogs urine sprayed in the house is very strong and most cleaners do not get it out. Not to mention before you were to breed this guy you need to have his hips, elbows and knees xrayed. Eyes done with CERF, Bile acid test, brucellosis test. All these must be clean and clear prior to breeding to ensure the health of the babies and female you breed with. Also the female should be tested for all that also. Plus you need to be willing to stand behind each puppy that your male sires. Big responsibilities that you are wanting to undertake. I hope you do your homework first. |
ok if im reading it right..its says he is NOT akc so therefore you seen nothing proving or backing up the breeders claim that he is not allowed to be bred? if thats right he is probably registered with another group..ckc, apri..etc.. these groups do not list restrictions they do not monitor breeding ethics BUT if the breeder told you DO NOT BREED THIS DOG..there is a reason for that..could be genetics are bad and you wouldn't want to reproduce a litter of genetically disturbed puppies that you would be financially responsible for would you? there are reasons why a breeder who specifically tell you no and to do it anyways is just immature..sorry what is your purpose for breeding him?... if you ask anyone on here im pretty laid back on alot of things and bump heads about fussing at people on here...but this seems common sense... "sniff sniff" could it be a troll? |
What is a troll?? Agreed with everything everyone has said so far. If the breeder has indicated their wishes on the matter that should be honored. Just wondering what a troll is because I haven't ever heard that term used before! Thanks for explaining! :) Quote:
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If I read your post correctly, he is AKC but the original owner never sent in the paperwork to register him and now you have inherited him along with his papers. You just need to send them in (i think there's a late fee as it's been so long) and the breeder neglected to fill in the box so he has a full registration. Am I correct? First of all, what are your reasons for wanting to breed him? If the original breeder intended to sell him with a limited registration, i would assume they feel that he is not up to standard? If that is the case, I'm not sure why you want to breed him and not sure who would be willing to pay stud fees. |
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In my humble opinion, if you choose to breed this dog it will just be the first of many corners you will cut, all of which in the big picture will be detrimental to the breed. Please do the right thing, and DO NOT BREED THIS DOG. |
270 The box is marked with a number in it: 270. What does that mean? I understand the points of view of all responses. What is a troll? Some sort of diehard forum talker slang with a negative connotation? If so -- Ha. |
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A TROLL is someone who comes on to a forum..with common sense questions and likes to stir up trouble |
Hi - Welcome to YorkieTalk! What's your boy's name? Do you know how to post a picture? We'd love to see him. Can you tell us what lines he come from? Just curious but how did you "inherit" him? Did he belong to a relative who has passed away? Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but now that the breeder has been contacted and has an idea that you might want to breed this boy - I think she can contact AKC and advise them not to permit any of his litters to be registered. I think the most important thing is - your word. I still believe in honor and believe that if that's what was promised - that's how it should be. Whomever you inherited this boy from didn't seem to keep their word to this breeder or this boy would have been neutered - I hope you do that for them. I hope you stick around this site. If you're really interested in breeding - this is the best place for you. Please take the time to read and research everything that goes into breeding and raising Yorkies before you get started. |
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If the breeder said he isn't suppose to be bred then he shouldn't be, period. This is exactly why some breeders are now spaying/neutering before placing in homes!! |
Here are some things from the YT Library you may want to read over. :) http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...-answered.html http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...neutering.html |
Dumb question here, but doesn't a dog have to be registered with the AKC by 12 months of age? |
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Thanks, Tammy. |
Why do you want to breed him? Come on, we all know why. :rolleyes: And none of those reasons that you are thinking of are good reasons. |
You still haven't answered any of our questions about why you want to breed the dog. What color is the registration certificate you got with the dog? That will tell if the dog has a limited registration or not. |
if he's not registered then i don't see a problem some breeders don't want you breeding cause they want to keep the same line or something but check out to see if there's any health problems in the background and if not i would say she should of made a contract up saying that and if there wasn't one made up then gl go for it |
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You should honor the breeders wishes and not breed the dog. Also he is pet quality and shoould not be bred. Just enjoy him as a pet |
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If you are looking to do this for the money you get out of studding and having pups...let me tel you money is not something that is easy to make making puppies the right way. JL |
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Many breeders make the decision because they are concerned about the overall well being of the dog, even down the road as an adult. They don't want to see the health of their dogs put at risk by someone with no breeding knowledge deciding they will give it a go. |
A troll indeed! |
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often there is a very good reason for a breeder not wanting a dog or puppy they sold to be used for breeding. The fact that the particular dog or puppy is just not quality that it should be used for breeding and passing on its genes is a very valid reason. You would have to be active in the show rings to learn what is and what isn't a show quality and what should or shouldn't be used for breeding. And then of coure, there is the possibility of health issues that are not expressed in this dog but can potentially turn up in its offspring. Breeding pet quality only moves the generations further and further away from looking like nice quality yorkies. |
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Okay I need to say this, If the dog is not registered then there is a reason for it. The breeder when asked stated the dog was not to be bred. The reason some breeders don't want a dog being bred is not because" they want to keep the same lines or something" It's because the dog does not fit the standard for the breed. The only way the OP is going to find out if there are any genetic health problems with this dog is by asking the breeder which she probably won't do anyway because the breeder already stated the dog was not to be bred. Regardless if the contract was written or verbal the breeders wishes should still be abided by. I am going to leave this thread now before I say things that could possible get me banned.:mad::thumbdown |
If the dog was sold for pet purposes only, then in my own opinion that's what he should stay..a pet. That was the breeders wishes apparently, and just because he still has his testicles doesn't mean he should be bred. |
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