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Char-Dae · 05-12-2010, 10:03 AM

Ok, this is a long story, but in order for you to fully understand the situation, I feel that it is necessary for you to know some of these things before you jump to any conclusions. About 1 year ago I adopted an abused dog (Yorkie) who was severely neglected. The previous owner didn't even know exactly how old her dog was. So I had to take her to the vet in Detroit in order for her to get the required shots and to come across the border. The vet had estimated last June that she was approximately 8 at the time, which would now make her approximately 9 now. He also informed me that she had what was most likely breast cancer in her top right teat. She also needed to be fixed. I decided that I still wanted to take her home because it was not like her previous owner would have done anything for her anyway. She was also way to unhealthy at the time to go through any surgeries anyway. She was literally going bald, was very timid, and had severe fear driven aggression. The previous owner really just had her for breeding purposes and kept her in one of those little carry cases all the time. She had informed me that she had one litter previously with no complications, but only had 3 puppies and she was not happy about that (she is an idiot by the way). She then said that after about a year or so Char-Dae (my yorkies name) stopped going into heat. She had tried several times to breed her again and it was unseccessful. So she bought a male yorkie to live with Char-Dae and she still would breed for quite a few years.
So, I figured that she could not get pregnant.
Well, Char-Dae's health and behaviour have come a long way. She is very attached to me now and is not aggressive anymore. Her hair is beautiful too! All she needed was some good food, daily exercise and a lot of love. I will put pics up when I get the chance.
So about 9 months ago I bought a 1/4 pomeranian and 3/4 yorkie puppy (well about that, I don't know his exact genetic configuration). I named him Porkie and he is the cutest mutt in the world (it has to be the yorkie in him).
In March, I was pretty ill. I had an infection in my skull and was in and out of the hospital. An infection in your head makes it really difficult to remember things, the whole month is pretty foggy to me. I woke up in the middle of the night because I heard my dogs in the living room. I got out there and my 7 month old puppy, who had never really humped anything before, (like his teddy bears, or legs) was locked with Char-Dae. I know they were locked because they were completely turned around and Char-Dae was trying to get away. So of course, I had to calm them down and wait it out. I was traumatized, didn't know that they could physically do that lol, crazy. So it turns out, Char-Dae goes into heat now! At first it was a dry heat, then she started bleeding. I had a diaper on her anyway to prevent Porkie from giving in to her taunting him. So, once she actually started bleeding. He went completely psycho. I have never seen him like that before. I woke up again a few days later to them doing it once again. He had managed to chew the diaper right off of her. So my mom came to take Porkie for a few days because I was really sick and couldn't keep him away, no matter what I did.
About 4 weeks ago I took them both to the vet. The vet had said that Char-Dae was very healthy now and I must have done something right. The lump in her teat has also gone down quite a bit in size and is almost gone. The vet said that she could not tell if Char-Dae was pregnant and that it could be false pregnancy due to her new nurturing environment. She also said that she sould be able to deliver puppies fine, even for her age. She also said that Char-Dae could breast feed out of that teat. Yeah, not sure that one is a good idea. Also, the vet didn't seem to know what she was talking about (my regular vet just retired), so I am not going back there. She was also really rude to me until I explained the situation. The vet didn't recommend it but I put her on puppy food just incase.
So she is definitely pregnant. I knew that a month ago, which is why I took her to the vet. So I know she mated the week of March 11th. I lost the thing that I wrote down the last date they mated on. I know it was the week of March 11th tho because I have my doctors note dated that week, which is the same week they kept waking me up. However, I don't remember if it was early in the week or late in the week. A couple of days overdue could make a huge different in fetal survival and complications with the dam. I am very worried about this. Her due date would be right about now. Her abdomen is very firm and huge. I can hear at least 3 fetal heartbeats with my stethoscope, so I know the pups are alive. Three days ago now Char-Dae had a large amount of stringy clear mucous hanging from her vulva. I am assuming that it was her mucous plug (I didn't see it with my last pregnant dog). Her temp is 99.8-99.3 but has seemed to run low like that for awhile now. I have been told that is normal in some dogs. My friend who is a breeder thinks that I should wait about 2 more days and then go to the vet to see if she needs to be induced. I also have the emergency vet number on hand. They are moving but not as much as they were a few days ago, which could be a sign of a few things, such a labor and not having anymore room to move. Her milk is also in. She has been sleeping in her whelping box for like 3 days now, but is still eating and drinking lots, and gets really excited for her treats.
So anyway, should I just continue to wait it out for a couple of days? Would really appreciate any input on the situation. And yes, Porkie has an appointment scheduled to get fixed!

chachi · 05-12-2010, 10:22 AM

Shes too old to be having puppies you just have to hope for the best

yorkiejunkie · 05-12-2010, 10:25 AM

Take a deep breath, and wait a day or two. Pups are less active right before they come.
Where in Canada are you?

luvfla · 05-12-2010, 10:27 AM

Oh boy...I hope one of our experienced breeders can help you out here!

LuvmyYorkies2 · 05-12-2010, 10:29 AM

Hello and welcome. Once they did it the first time, why didn't you keep them apart? And she is quite old. To hear she's come such a long way, it's scary to think that this pregnancy may put her back into an unhealthy condition. I pray she & the pups will be okay. I guess all you can do now is read, prepare & coming here is also a good place as there is a wealth of information. Good Luck!

Char-Dae · 05-12-2010, 10:34 AM

I'm from Ontario. Where are you from?

Char-Dae · 05-12-2010, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvmyYorkies2

Hello and welcome. Once they did it the first time, why didn't you keep them apart? And she is quite old. To hear she's come such a long way, it's scary to think that this pregnancy may put her back into an unhealthy condition. I pray she & the pups will be okay. I guess all you can do now is read, prepare & coming here is also a good place as there is a wealth of information. Good Luck!

I tried! I really did! When I realized the second time that he was crazy I sent him to my mom's! Trust me I have been praying lots. I appreciate the extra prayer

I know this sounds really weird but her pregnancy has seemed to make her healthier. The vet said that is probably why her cancer has gone into remission and I am ver lucky it didn't go the other way around. I am not saying that I am happy this has happened, I'm sick to my stomach worried about her!

Nancy1999 · 05-12-2010, 10:46 AM

This sounds really bad to me, I would take the dog to the vet, or at the very least take her to my breeder friend. This thread probably needs to be moved to the breeding section. I would think that pregnancy would cause the cancer to return.

loveshay · 05-12-2010, 10:51 AM

I have absolutely NO experience or knowledge with this...just wanted to say GOOD LUCK! I hope the mama is fine and the lil pups...And I hope you are doing better....will be sending good thoughts and prayers your way.....

There are alot of very inteligent ppl on here, I am sure they will help you a great deal.....

Ellie May · 05-12-2010, 10:58 AM

Maybe the mod can move this to the breeder's section for you or you can start a new thread there.

Mammary cancer wouldn't just go away on its own, so I highly doubt that was teh issue. It was probaby a hormonal thing.

Baby Blessing · 05-12-2010, 11:09 AM

I am not knoweledgable on this issue, hope everything turns out well with Char-Dae and the Puppies.

I pray your health is doing okay now and will continue to do so.

Glad you found Yorkie Talk it is a great site. I will be thinking postive that all goes well when Car-Dae has the puppies.

Patti, Jack and Girls.

cathys · 05-12-2010, 11:24 AM

I have no experience with this kind of thing, just wanted to let you know we'll keep you in our prayers.

maryeverett1 · 05-12-2010, 11:42 AM

First of all just wanted to say welcome to YT! I applaud you for rescuing char-dae and sorry you got such bum info from the original owner and are now faced with this. I also had an unplanned pregnancy with my two yorkies (my female was extremely young to go into heat and showed no signs) and they only mated once but we still got one little pup who we love and are keeping. I am no expert but because of her age and because of the uncertainty of her due date I would highly suggest you get her to the vet immediately. This is not a normal scenario in my opinion and waiting too long could jeaporadize her life as well as the lives of the puppies. I wouldn't wait 2 days. It's better to be safe than sorry! If you take her in now and she's not ready but the vet thinks she is okay then great, if you hold off you could lose them all. Will be praying for you and the whole situation! If there is anything I can do to help please don't hesitate to contact me! :-)

maryeverett1 · 05-12-2010, 11:44 AM

Ps. Not trying to be negative or scare you just don't want to see this become an emergency situation and a tragedy!!

Char-Dae · 05-12-2010, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by maryeverett1

Ps. Not trying to be negative or scare you just don't want to see this become an emergency situation and a tragedy!!

I just called a much better vet! They laughed when I told them who I went to before. They told me that she sounds fine and I have been doing everything right. They said I should wait another day or two, then make an appointment. Although I'm glad I didn't hesitate to call. The vet is even gonna call me back to see how things are going. I have never even been there before. You didn't offend me at all. You are absolutely right!

05-12-2010, 10:03 AM	#1
Char-Dae YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 9	Long story, new here, please help! The sooner the better :) Ok, this is a long story, but in order for you to fully understand the situation, I feel that it is necessary for you to know some of these things before you jump to any conclusions. About 1 year ago I adopted an abused dog (Yorkie) who was severely neglected. The previous owner didn't even know exactly how old her dog was. So I had to take her to the vet in Detroit in order for her to get the required shots and to come across the border. The vet had estimated last June that she was approximately 8 at the time, which would now make her approximately 9 now. He also informed me that she had what was most likely breast cancer in her top right teat. She also needed to be fixed. I decided that I still wanted to take her home because it was not like her previous owner would have done anything for her anyway. She was also way to unhealthy at the time to go through any surgeries anyway. She was literally going bald, was very timid, and had severe fear driven aggression. The previous owner really just had her for breeding purposes and kept her in one of those little carry cases all the time. She had informed me that she had one litter previously with no complications, but only had 3 puppies and she was not happy about that (she is an idiot by the way). She then said that after about a year or so Char-Dae (my yorkies name) stopped going into heat. She had tried several times to breed her again and it was unseccessful. So she bought a male yorkie to live with Char-Dae and she still would breed for quite a few years. So, I figured that she could not get pregnant. Well, Char-Dae's health and behaviour have come a long way. She is very attached to me now and is not aggressive anymore. Her hair is beautiful too! All she needed was some good food, daily exercise and a lot of love. I will put pics up when I get the chance. So about 9 months ago I bought a 1/4 pomeranian and 3/4 yorkie puppy (well about that, I don't know his exact genetic configuration). I named him Porkie and he is the cutest mutt in the world (it has to be the yorkie in him). In March, I was pretty ill. I had an infection in my skull and was in and out of the hospital. An infection in your head makes it really difficult to remember things, the whole month is pretty foggy to me. I woke up in the middle of the night because I heard my dogs in the living room. I got out there and my 7 month old puppy, who had never really humped anything before, (like his teddy bears, or legs) was locked with Char-Dae. I know they were locked because they were completely turned around and Char-Dae was trying to get away. So of course, I had to calm them down and wait it out. I was traumatized, didn't know that they could physically do that lol, crazy. So it turns out, Char-Dae goes into heat now! At first it was a dry heat, then she started bleeding. I had a diaper on her anyway to prevent Porkie from giving in to her taunting him. So, once she actually started bleeding. He went completely psycho. I have never seen him like that before. I woke up again a few days later to them doing it once again. He had managed to chew the diaper right off of her. So my mom came to take Porkie for a few days because I was really sick and couldn't keep him away, no matter what I did. About 4 weeks ago I took them both to the vet. The vet had said that Char-Dae was very healthy now and I must have done something right. The lump in her teat has also gone down quite a bit in size and is almost gone. The vet said that she could not tell if Char-Dae was pregnant and that it could be false pregnancy due to her new nurturing environment. She also said that she sould be able to deliver puppies fine, even for her age. She also said that Char-Dae could breast feed out of that teat. Yeah, not sure that one is a good idea. Also, the vet didn't seem to know what she was talking about (my regular vet just retired), so I am not going back there. She was also really rude to me until I explained the situation. The vet didn't recommend it but I put her on puppy food just incase. So she is definitely pregnant. I knew that a month ago, which is why I took her to the vet. So I know she mated the week of March 11th. I lost the thing that I wrote down the last date they mated on. I know it was the week of March 11th tho because I have my doctors note dated that week, which is the same week they kept waking me up. However, I don't remember if it was early in the week or late in the week. A couple of days overdue could make a huge different in fetal survival and complications with the dam. I am very worried about this. Her due date would be right about now. Her abdomen is very firm and huge. I can hear at least 3 fetal heartbeats with my stethoscope, so I know the pups are alive. Three days ago now Char-Dae had a large amount of stringy clear mucous hanging from her vulva. I am assuming that it was her mucous plug (I didn't see it with my last pregnant dog). Her temp is 99.8-99.3 but has seemed to run low like that for awhile now. I have been told that is normal in some dogs. My friend who is a breeder thinks that I should wait about 2 more days and then go to the vet to see if she needs to be induced. I also have the emergency vet number on hand. They are moving but not as much as they were a few days ago, which could be a sign of a few things, such a labor and not having anymore room to move. Her milk is also in. She has been sleeping in her whelping box for like 3 days now, but is still eating and drinking lots, and gets really excited for her treats. So anyway, should I just continue to wait it out for a couple of days? Would really appreciate any input on the situation. And yes, Porkie has an appointment scheduled to get fixed!

05-12-2010, 10:22 AM	#2
chachi I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana Posts: 37,147	Shes too old to be having puppies you just have to hope for the best __________________ Chachi's & Jewels Mom Jewels http://www.dogster.com/?132431 Chachi http://www.dogster.com/?132427

05-12-2010, 10:25 AM	#3
yorkiejunkie YT Addict Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canada Posts: 468	Take a deep breath, and wait a day or two. Pups are less active right before they come. Where in Canada are you? __________________ Bentley's Mommy is a Yorkie Junkie...

05-12-2010, 10:27 AM	#4
luvfla YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Satellite Beach, FL Posts: 3,691	Oh boy...I hope one of our experienced breeders can help you out here! __________________ Elizabeth - mommy to...Keegan & Sweet Sophie RIP Duncan (the cat who wanted to be a dog) & Clarence

05-12-2010, 10:29 AM	#5
LuvmyYorkies2 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Southern Maryland Posts: 1,739	Hello and welcome. Once they did it the first time, why didn't you keep them apart? And she is quite old. To hear she's come such a long way, it's scary to think that this pregnancy may put her back into an unhealthy condition. I pray she & the pups will be okay. I guess all you can do now is read, prepare & coming here is also a good place as there is a wealth of information. Good Luck! __________________ Yolanda I Love My Girls Diva & Foxxy & Lexi

05-12-2010, 10:34 AM	#6
Char-Dae YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: May 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 9	I'm from Ontario. Where are you from?

05-12-2010, 10:46 AM	#8
Nancy1999 I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 25,396 Blog Entries: 2	This sounds really bad to me, I would take the dog to the vet, or at the very least take her to my breeder friend. This thread probably needs to be moved to the breeding section. I would think that pregnancy would cause the cancer to return. __________________ NancyJoey Proud members of the CrAzYcLuB and YAP! ** Just Say No to Puppymills – Join YAP! Yorkshire Terrier Club of America – Breeder Referrals

05-12-2010, 10:51 AM	#9
loveshay YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: TN Posts: 556	I have absolutely NO experience or knowledge with this...just wanted to say GOOD LUCK! I hope the mama is fine and the lil pups...And I hope you are doing better....will be sending good thoughts and prayers your way..... There are alot of very inteligent ppl on here, I am sure they will help you a great deal..... __________________ loving my lil SHAY

05-12-2010, 10:58 AM	#10
Ellie May And Rylee Finnegan Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Metro Detroit, MI Posts: 17,928	Maybe the mod can move this to the breeder's section for you or you can start a new thread there. Mammary cancer wouldn't just go away on its own, so I highly doubt that was teh issue. It was probaby a hormonal thing. __________________ Crystal, Ellie May (RIP), Rylee Finnegan, and Gracie Boo🐶

05-12-2010, 11:09 AM	#11
Baby Blessing Our Blessings R Many Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the shelter of God's Loving Care. Posts: 3,095 Blog Entries: 1	I am not knoweledgable on this issue, hope everything turns out well with Char-Dae and the Puppies. I pray your health is doing okay now and will continue to do so. Glad you found Yorkie Talk it is a great site. I will be thinking postive that all goes well when Car-Dae has the puppies. Patti, Jack and Girls.

05-12-2010, 11:24 AM	#12
cathys Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: CA,USA Posts: 1,623	I have no experience with this kind of thing, just wanted to let you know we'll keep you in our prayers.

05-12-2010, 11:42 AM	#13
maryeverett1 BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 795	First of all just wanted to say welcome to YT! I applaud you for rescuing char-dae and sorry you got such bum info from the original owner and are now faced with this. I also had an unplanned pregnancy with my two yorkies (my female was extremely young to go into heat and showed no signs) and they only mated once but we still got one little pup who we love and are keeping. I am no expert but because of her age and because of the uncertainty of her due date I would highly suggest you get her to the vet immediately. This is not a normal scenario in my opinion and waiting too long could jeaporadize her life as well as the lives of the puppies. I wouldn't wait 2 days. It's better to be safe than sorry! If you take her in now and she's not ready but the vet thinks she is okay then great, if you hold off you could lose them all. Will be praying for you and the whole situation! If there is anything I can do to help please don't hesitate to contact me! :-)

05-12-2010, 11:44 AM	#14
maryeverett1 BANNED! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Virginia Beach, VA Posts: 795	Ps. Not trying to be negative or scare you just don't want to see this become an emergency situation and a tragedy!!