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gfoster 04-09-2010 05:42 AM
We only have one Yorkie male, however I do have a lab/mix (65 lbs) Our Yorkie male attacks our female lab every time she comes in the house. He will literally crouch and pounce like a cat if we don't grab him first. He snarls and grabs at her ears, and she actually whines.

I'm not sure why he's so aggressive. He is clearly the alpha dog even though she was there first. He is neutered, but that doesn't seem to make a difference.

WinstonMom 04-09-2010 06:58 AM
As I stated before I have two males that fight with each other and two females that fight with each other. It is not likely that an intact male will fight with an intact female. Thus if you have your house sectioned off into two areas, it will still work with one male and one female in each area. That is how I work it. It is however possible that your males may not fight, I personally think that the females with having more variations in their hormone levels have a much shorter fuse and I agree with the poster who said that they never forget.

Audrey

Sunnie 04-09-2010 08:07 AM
I am sorry.. I am probably going to get in trouble for saying this... BUT... USING an ABUSED dog to earn an income sure seems like additional abuse to me.. Allowing them to fight and kill puppies is AWFUL!! I KNOW you didn't want that to happen... but COMMON SENSE tells me that a dog with an aggression problem should NOT be bred under any circumstances... temperment is one of the most important things to look at in a puppy.. I am not trying to be rude.. I am just so upset by this. My Sunshine lost her entire first litter (they were too small) and II saw with my own eyes how devestated she was.. I cannot imagine how she would hurt if she had been raising puppies that were then killed by another dog. That just hurts my heart so much.

WinstonMom 04-09-2010 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunnie (Post 3076884)
I am sorry.. I am probably going to get in trouble for saying this... BUT... USING an ABUSED dog to earn an income sure seems like additional abuse to me.. Allowing them to fight and kill puppies is AWFUL!! I KNOW you didn't want that to happen... but COMMON SENSE tells me that a dog with an aggression problem should NOT be bred under any circumstances... temperment is one of the most important things to look at in a puppy.. I am not trying to be rude.. I am just so upset by this. My Sunshine lost her entire first litter (they were too small) and II saw with my own eyes how devestated she was.. I cannot imagine how she would hurt if she had been raising puppies that were then killed by another dog. That just hurts my heart so much.
I agree with you 100% and don't think that any abused dog should be bred. I do not agree with the OP breeding program by any means, I am just trying to help with the problem that she has got herself into. What is done is done at this point.

Audrey

jrsygal37 04-09-2010 08:57 AM
[quote Sometimes, a problem is just a problem. [/COLOR][/I][/quote]

Then why not correct the problem by having the spayed so that they can be at peace with each other instead of at odds. As you said, when they are not preg or in heat they sleep together and clean each other's eyes. Just like a problem is just a problem, there are solutions to the problems but some do not want to take that action they need to.

Elaine

motherhen 04-09-2010 09:02 AM
We got her when she was very close to one year old. Shortly after that she got pregnant. We've had her for 1½ years, and she got through her abuse issues, within the time that she was pregnant, because we spoiled her so much. All of her puppies are very nice, sweet, and lovable puppies. We have never gotten a report back, that any of them are aggresive or mean. IF we had we would not still be letting her get pregnant!
I was abused a lot before I was 4 years old, when I then got adopted by some very nice people. With love & care, you DO get through it and go on with your life, and have children of your own. All abused people or critters do NOT turn abusive, nor do their children! Some do, yes . . . but a lot don't.
Calypso's only problem is Pandora, not the whole world of dogs or people.
If everyone that ever had a dog get into a fight, didn't ever breed that dog, then there would be a lot less breeders and puppies.
I am sorry that my posting has upset so many people. I will refrain from responding to any more posts.

Mardelin 04-09-2010 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by motherhen (Post 3076963)
We got her when she was very close to one year old. Shortly after that she got pregnant. We've had her for 1½ years, and she got through her abuse issues, within the time that she was pregnant, because we spoiled her so much. All of her puppies are very nice, sweet, and lovable puppies. We have never gotten a report back, that any of them are aggresive or mean. IF we had we would not still be letting her get pregnant!
I was abused a lot before I was 4 years old, when I then got adopted by some very nice people. With love & care, you DO get through it and go on with your life, and have children of your own. All abused people or critters do NOT turn abusive, nor do their children! Some do, yes . . . but a lot don't.
Calypso's only problem is Pandora, not the whole world of dogs or people.
If everyone that ever had a dog get into a fight, didn't ever breed that dog, then there would be a lot less breeders and puppies.
I am sorry that my posting has upset so many people. I will refrain from responding to any more posts.
If everyone that ever had a dog that got into fights, didn't breed that dog, then there would be a lot less breeders and puppies......

Yes, and would be breeding correctly....as one knows that aggressiveness is not what breeders want bred into their lines.

tammy8833 04-09-2010 09:08 AM
unfortunately motherhen..no matter how much you defend what you are doing..they will continue to put you and your practices down..

there are great areas on this site to enjoy..but the breeder sections can be differ cult at times

so many different and strong opinions

im sure they are sweet until the hormones kick in..most women are...its natural...keep them separated

JeanieK 04-09-2010 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3076571)
Ok, you are going to use these two bitches for breeding, end of reasoning...your only option is to keep them 100% separate..FOREVER! If money is tight..and most of us know or have known tight money times...you can not risk a huge vet bill. What profit is in a bitch eating a litter of puppies...?
Find a way to fix your house so these two stay apart...try a soft muzzle if they must be together for a short period of time...it is only a matter of time someone loses an eye ball or needs surgery for a lung puncture, torn ear or broken leg...
Best wishes...

PS..I had two of the best girls..Charlotte and Ruby...angels is fur coats..but they hated each other..only each other. I had a huge set up and they never lived together. Once they were apart for SIX months, never laid eyes on each other. I thought surely they would forget past problems by then...Charlotte walks into the play area, walks straight to Ruby and bites her..all in about 3 seconds...hate goes to the bone in Yorkie bitches...my males never ever fought!
I too have two girls that do not like each other. At times they are just fine, but other times they will even fight through the fence. Any exitement can set them off. So I keep them separated, when I am home I have them with just a gate separating them, but when I leave I put one in a separate room not adjoing the area where the other one is, I don't want them fighting under the door.

But they each love the others puppies and one has even nursed the others puppies. However I do not allow any of the other dogs access to any puppies until they are 6 weeks old.

jrsygal37 04-09-2010 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by motherhen (Post 3076963)
We got her when she was very close to one year old. Shortly after that she got pregnant. We've had her for 1½ years, and she got through her abuse issues, within the time that she was pregnant, because we spoiled her so much. All of her puppies are very nice, sweet, and lovable puppies. We have never gotten a report back, that any of them are aggresive or mean. IF we had we would not still be letting her get pregnant!
I was abused a lot before I was 4 years old, when I then got adopted by some very nice people. With love & care, you DO get through it and go on with your life, and have children of your own. All abused people or critters do NOT turn abusive, nor do their children! Some do, yes . . . but a lot don't.
Calypso's only problem is Pandora, not the whole world of dogs or people.
If everyone that ever had a dog get into a fight, didn't ever breed that dog, then there would be a lot less breeders and puppies.
I am sorry that my posting has upset so many people. I will refrain from responding to any more posts.
I have to be honest. I work closely with rescue and if you are saying you rescued this dog, which is sounds like since you said "She got through the abuse issues." then it was your duty to supply her with a loving home and not breed her. Rescue dogs that have gone through abuse are to be loving pets not breeders. Elaine

jrsygal37 04-09-2010 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by motherhen (Post 3076963)
We got her when she was very close to one year old. Shortly after that she got pregnant. We've had her for 1½ years, and she got through her abuse issues, within the time that she was pregnant, because we spoiled her so much. All of her puppies are very nice, sweet, and lovable puppies. We have never gotten a report back, that any of them are aggresive or mean. IF we had we would not still be letting her get pregnant!
I was abused a lot before I was 4 years old, when I then got adopted by some very nice people. With love & care, you DO get through it and go on with your life, and have children of your own. All abused people or critters do NOT turn abusive, nor do their children! Some do, yes . . . but a lot don't.
Calypso's only problem is Pandora, not the whole world of dogs or people.
If everyone that ever had a dog get into a fight, didn't ever breed that dog, then there would be a lot less breeders and puppies.
I am sorry that my posting has upset so many people. I will refrain from responding to any more posts.
I have to be honest. I work closely with rescue and if you are saying you rescued this dog, which is sounds like since you said "She got through the abuse issues." then it was your duty to supply her with a loving home and not breed her. Rescue dogs that have gone through abuse are to be loving pets not breeders. Elaine

livingdustmops 04-09-2010 09:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sunnie (Post 3076884)
I am sorry.. I am probably going to get in trouble for saying this... BUT... USING an ABUSED dog to earn an income sure seems like additional abuse to me.. Allowing them to fight and kill puppies is AWFUL!! I KNOW you didn't want that to happen... but COMMON SENSE tells me that a dog with an aggression problem should NOT be bred under any circumstances... temperment is one of the most important things to look at in a puppy.. I am not trying to be rude.. I am just so upset by this. My Sunshine lost her entire first litter (they were too small) and II saw with my own eyes how devestated she was.. I cannot imagine how she would hurt if she had been raising puppies that were then killed by another dog. That just hurts my heart so much.
Sonya, I agree with you. I also do not believe people should breed animals unless they know what they are doing, or for the betterment of the breed and never to just have an income. Lots of people find other ways to generate $$ and not off the backs of dogs. This is just so sad to me.

jrsygal37 04-09-2010 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3076987)
Sonya, I agree with you. I also do not believe people should breed animals unless they know what they are doing, or for the betterment of the breed and never to just have an income. Lots of people find other ways to generate $$ and not off the backs of dogs. This is just so sad to me.
:thumbup: I agree with you as well Sonya. An abused animal is suppose to be rescued and placed in a loving home to overcome what they incurred, not be used as income for someone. Elaine

hartygirl 04-09-2010 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3076965)
unfortunately motherhen..no matter how much you defend what you are doing..they will continue to put you and your practices down..

The only practice I see going on here is causing the suffering and death, although it was un intentional at the start, of innocent and previously abused yorkies.

there are great areas on this site to enjoy..but the breeder sections can be differ cult at times

so many different and strong opinions

Mine is strong

im sure they are sweet until the hormones kick in..most women are...its natural...keep them separated
So, what you are saying is that it is ok for a lady that has no idea what she is doing to "rescue" (and I use the term loosely) an intact abused female and breed her only for the intent of paying her taxes! OUTRAGEOUS! Breeding should be to better the breed, period!

Tell me this, with all the aggression problems would you like her to separate the bitches, breed them again and maybe you can have a pup from those lines!?

It is my wish that the OP will have the females spayed as this aggression is COMPLEATLY preventable, and if you are still needing to re-home one or both females, please contact a rescue.

tammy8833 04-09-2010 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by hartygirl (Post 3077093)
So, what you are saying is that it is ok for a lady that has no idea what she is doing to "rescue" (and I use the term loosely) an intact abused female and breed her only for the intent of paying her taxes! OUTRAGEOUS! Breeding should be to better the breed, period!

Tell me this, with all the aggression problems would you like her to separate the bitches, breed them again and maybe you can have a pup from those lines!?

It is my wish that the OP will have the females spayed as this aggression is COMPLEATLY preventable, and if you are still needing to re-home one or both females, please contact a rescue.

wow you are pretty aggressive arent you?

all you know is what she is posted on here...and from all the hate post i cant keep up

i dont know this woman..but i was basically telling her to save her breathe

i dont know what all she has done where she got her dogs or how

females behaving in aggression towards each other in those times..pregnancy and heat is TYPICAL not genetic...i dont care who says any different

the mom eating the puppies..yes i would have probably spayed her and rehomed her just because i would have been upset but its not unnatural

also if everyone just bred to better the breed there would not be so many members on this site with yorkies they love


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