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Mardelin 04-09-2010 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3077781)
it is extremely natural for them not to always be "best buddies" i cant see where someone who has been so involved would not see that

i have never met to adult woman that live together that have squabbled around hormonal times..its nature..it happens and anyone that tells you different either keeps them separated at all times, specifically heats and pregnancies, or doenst have multiple females

males will also squabble over a in heat female..thats natural...heck i knew that stuff long before i started studing yorkies
Sorry, no it is natural in any of the things you mentioned. Either females in Season, males fighting over females in Season. Women squabbling at hormonal times.

I've taken too many canine behavior, canine genetic and breeding classes and none of these classes taught this was normal behavior.....The classes and my personal experiences tell me otherwise.

If you have dogs that are fighting to the point of drawing blood and killing pups, you definately have genetic aggression issues and these dogs shouldn't be bred.

Reese1 04-09-2010 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3077779)
She was a bad breeder because she turned her dogs over to a reputable rescue group? How do you figure that?
Turning the dogs over to a rescue was a good thing! How she treated and took care of Camden and the dogs she turned over made her a bad breede IMO!

Mardelin 04-09-2010 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Golden Parti (Post 3077789)
And I would never sell you a dog knowingly for any amount of money so I guess we never have to worry about that.
I don't think you have to worry about that.

BonBon 04-09-2010 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Reese1 (Post 3077811)
Turning the dogs over to a rescue was a good thing! How she treated and took care of Camden and the dogs she turned over made her a bad breede IMO!
Oh, I'm not questioning you! The other poster phrased it as though you'd had a bad breeder simply because the remaining pups were turned over to a reputable rescue. He/she said they would NEVER do something like that. I wanted to know why not? Why do they think turning a pup over to a good reputable rescue is bad?

Mardelin 04-09-2010 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Breeze (Post 3077801)
Well I guess we saw a few true colors come out in this thread. Wow, I hope future puppy buyers know who "not to buy from" with the lack of caring from a few "breeders" here. God bless those poor yorkies involved in this thread.
Yep! All here in black and white

Woogie Man 04-09-2010 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tammy8833 (Post 3077764)
they can do it full scale to a T and improving the breed and say their females never fight...(which extremely hard to believe..specially if they have multiple females with heats and pregnancies..i think its bull )
On the contrary. My girls do not fight, nor do my boys. I have had one exception and it was with 2 girls approaching puberty together. Their spats were short lived and no problems since. Never had an issue during heats or pregnancies.

Yorkies can be high strung and often are looking for something to get excited about, but it's the owner's responsibility to exert enough control over and to create a situation so things don't get out of hand. Any serious behavior issues should give any breeder pause. Both their dogs and the situation they've created need to be looked at to determine if it's the dog or them. I think that in this situation, it's both.

Motherhen, there's been a lot of good info here along with the criticism. I think you know that your situation got out of hand. No one can 'tell' anyone else what to do, but to add more dogs to the mix until you have a better handle on breeding and how to manage your dogs would be foolish. I don't doubt that you care about your dogs, but you must also properly care for them as well. When breeding lives literally are at stake with the decisions you make.

Reese1 04-09-2010 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 3077820)
Oh, I'm not questioning you! The other poster phrased it as though you'd had a bad breeder simply because the remaining pups were turned over to a reputable rescue. He/she said they would NEVER do something like that. I wanted to know why not? Why do they think turning a pup over to a good reputable rescue is bad?
Oh I know you weren't!
It was a decent move on the "breeder's" part to turn the adult dogs over to a wonderful rescue and I feel extremely confident they found good forever homes!

Golden Parti 04-09-2010 05:45 PM
like I said before, nothing I could ever say or do would make you think I was a good breeder and your opinion of me really doesn't matter. If people do not want to buy pups from me that is their choice. If they do and they want to come see them first and how they are raised I welcome it. If I do not like you and do not feel you will provide a good environment for one of my puppies I will never sell you one. Those who do choose to get puppies from me almost 100% of the time always get their next puppies from me. Their friends get their puppies from me and that is one of the greatest compliments I can get.

As far as research, I am sure my research into yorkies and colored yorkies rivals almost anyone on here. My research into genetics is most likely far beyond most people on here. I have been breeding these dogs for 20 years.

Mardelin 04-09-2010 05:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3077840)
On the contrary. My girls do not fight, nor do my boys. I have had one exception and it was with 2 girls approaching puberty together. Their spats were short lived and no problems since. Never had an issue during heats or pregnancies.

Yorkies can be high strung and often are looking for something to get excited about, but it's the owner's responsibility to exert enough control over and to create a situation so things don't get out of hand. Any serious behavior issues should give any breeder pause. Both their dogs and the situation they've created need to be looked at to determine if it's the dog or them. I think that in this situation, it's both.

Motherhen, there's been a lot of good info here along with the criticism. I think you know that your situation got out of hand. No one can 'tell' anyone else what to do, but to add more dogs to the mix until you have a better handle on breeding and how to manage your dogs would be foolish. I don't doubt that you care about your dogs, but you must also properly care for them as well. When breeding lives literally are at stake with the decisions you make.
Very nicely put. In other words you are the Alpha and your dogs know it.

tammy8833 04-09-2010 05:47 PM
im not going to spend all night going back n forth

i dont care how many classes anyone takes no one always gets along...thats a ridercouls notion..look at this thread for proof..dogs have times where they are the same way...doesnt make the genetic freaks

you can say what you want about me and other breeders but we know our selves and i know my happy clients and puppies and spoiled rotten dogs and their vets is happy with them..i will not people on here tell me that i am a bad breeder because i know im not...

testing or not...show quality or not..i am completely done with this thread anything else can be pm'd to me if you want my comment back...

i am happy with my self, my dogs, my puppies, my clients, etc....and proud too

Woogie Man 04-09-2010 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3077865)
Very nicely put. In other words you are the Alpha and your dogs know it.
Well....they at least let me pretend I am :D. No, really they're all sweeties and don't give me much trouble. They are Yorkies, though......:rolleyes:

Mardelin 04-09-2010 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 3077887)
Well....they at least let me pretend I am :D. No, really they're all sweeties and don't give me much trouble. They are Yorkies, though......:rolleyes:
Yeah! Mine think I'm their litter mate. A couple even push me out of bed in the middle of the night, so you know where I stand in the pack

YorkieRose 04-09-2010 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by BellaDonna (Post 3077769)
I have never seen any breeder of any kind give away the puppies they breed except for my pet breeder who gave me a runt Chihuahua or older dogs they no longer breed etc. So it seems to me that all breeders sell their dogs and I don't believe for an instant that even the "Show breeders" don't make money. So if we are going to generalize I would say that all breeders make money from their puppies. If they didn't make money they couldn't continue to do it and spend all the money they do on the dogs.

I continue to come here mainly to find techniques on grooming etc for a Yorkie which is different than the dogs I have owned and cared for for 30 years. There are things I can learn here that will be helpful to me with Bella. I can also share my knowledge with others on this board. Just because I am new to the board doesn't mean I am in dire need of being led by the masters. We all have something to share here and we won't all ever agree on everything.

Just because some people are more vocal or talk louder doesn't make you right. This thread is just beating a dead horse. Just agree to disagree.
I should post a picture of myself, so you can see a breeder who gives away puppies and adults....and a picture of Isabel Dare, Merrimac Yorkies, she GAVE me a champion bitch to help my breeding program, asking nothing in return..shoot, I can list a dozen breeders who give away puppies/adults...
Kate in my avatar is granddaughter of my free bitch from Isabel...

Woogie Man 04-09-2010 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 3077892)
Yeah! Mine think I'm their litter mate. A couple even push me out of bed in the middle of the night, so you know where I stand in the pack
Hahaha....don't you hate that? If I have to get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, my spot gets taken over and I come back to a little tail wagging and a cheesy grin. Like I warmed up that spot just for them to lie in...

Like I said, they let me pretend.

Mardelin 04-09-2010 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by YorkieRose (Post 3077904)
I should post a picture of myself, so you can see a breeder who gives away puppies and adults....and a picture of Isabel Dare, Merrimac Yorkies, she GAVE me a champion bitch to help my breeding program, asking nothing in return..shoot, I can list a dozen breeders who give away puppies/adults...
Kate in my avatar is granddaughter of my free bitch from Isabel...
Pat,

My breeder/mentor gave me my first yorkie male as a Christmas gift...My Charmer, the one in my Avitar. She's given me a couple of dogs as gifts.


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