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1lilmax 03-27-2010 07:27 AM
Are people just breeding anything???
 
What is up with people.I was looking on the kijiji site. I have never seen so many people selling what they call, DESIGNER , dogs .And they post them as ,maltese ,poodle, shih-tzu ,yorkie, .And the list goes on .But when you click on it to read it states ,Again DESIGNER ,.Poor poodles are being breed to death.If it keeps on i true breeds are going to be are to find .Don't get me wrong. I love all dogs .I just think people should post what they are from the start .And leave ,TEACUP -POCKET -AND DESIGNER OUT OF IT.Because the only time a dog fits in you pocket or a teacup is when it is a fews wks. old .SO WHAT HAPPENS TO IT WHEN IT NO LONGER FITS . THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE SHELTERS ARE SO FULL .Thanks FOR LETTING ME SHARE MY THOUGHTS...PLEASE DON'T YELL AT ME TO MUCH.

ArmaniMan 03-27-2010 07:29 AM
I agree!

I grew up with toy poodles, my family still has them, they are awesome little dogs and it is really sad to see them mixed with everything under the sun.

bchgirl 03-27-2010 07:32 AM
I agree also...and add to that...people who have two "name the breed here"...and breed them reqardless if they are breeding quality or not. This is one reason so many yorkies...do not resemble yorkies. It's disturbing and sad what's been done to this breed.

jencar98 03-27-2010 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by bchgirl (Post 3057091)
I agree also...and add to that...people who have two "name the breed here"...and breed them reqardless if they are breeding quality or not. This is one reason so many yorkies...do not resemble yorkies. It's disturbing and sad what's been done to this breed.
:thumbup:

This thread has me thinking of the other thread where that OP had her Yorkiepoo DNA'd and it came back as a mix of about 4-5 dogs:eek:. You can't even trust them to be selling the mixes they claim to be!

KBYorkies2010 03-27-2010 08:25 AM
I agree! My sister has a dog (not a yorkie) adopted from the shelter and the helper had assured her that it would be only about 8-10 pounds. Because my sister is a petite person, she couldn't physically handle a larger dog. Well, that 5lbs turned out to be 30....and she has her hands full and has worked with the dog very hard to train it so she can feel comfortable.

jackson25 03-27-2010 08:30 AM
I am outraged by the amount of cross breeding, mixed breeding, what ever you want to call it!:mad: Then these "designer" breeds get placed with no spay/neuter, oops pregnancies happen and the cycle continues! That is why our shelters have an abundance of dogs! Not to mention, the public needs to be a little more educated as to what they are purchasing, not just because the puppy is cute!

rbelland 03-27-2010 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by 1lilmax (Post 3057082)
What is up with people.I was looking on the kijiji site. I have never seen so many people selling what they call, DESIGNER , dogs .And they post them as ,maltese ,poodle, shih-tzu ,yorkie, .And the list goes on .But when you click on it to read it states ,Again DESIGNER ,.Poor poodles are being breed to death.If it keeps on i true breeds are going to be are to find .Don't get me wrong. I love all dogs .I just think people should post what they are from the start .And leave ,TEACUP -POCKET -AND DESIGNER OUT OF IT.Because the only time a dog fits in you pocket or a teacup is when it is a fews wks. old .SO WHAT HAPPENS TO IT WHEN IT NO LONGER FITS . THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE SHELTERS ARE SO FULL .Thanks FOR LETTING ME SHARE MY THOUGHTS...PLEASE DON'T YELL AT ME TO MUCH.


I totally agree!!!! I can't believe the names some of these people come up with. Like hybrid (spelling???), Micro mini. What the heck is that? Sounds like a toy you get from a kids meal??? IDK, I am so grateful YT is here to educate.

jackson25 03-27-2010 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by rbelland (Post 3057164)
I totally agree!!!! I can't believe the names some of these people come up with. Like hybrid (spelling???), Micro mini. What the heck is that? Sounds like a toy you get from a kids meal??? IDK, I am so grateful YT is here to educate.
:lol tears I thought you ate at Red Lobster last night, I am going to have to see what is in their kids meals!:D

I too am glad YT can help educate, the ones who want to learn. Heck I learn something new everyday, I am always willing to learn!

red98vett 03-27-2010 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 1lilmax (Post 3057082)
What is up with people.I was looking on the kijiji site. I have never seen so many people selling what they call, DESIGNER , dogs .And they post them as ,maltese ,poodle, shih-tzu ,yorkie, .And the list goes on .But when you click on it to read it states ,Again DESIGNER ,.Poor poodles are being breed to death.If it keeps on i true breeds are going to be are to find .Don't get me wrong. I love all dogs .I just think people should post what they are from the start .And leave ,TEACUP -POCKET -AND DESIGNER OUT OF IT.Because the only time a dog fits in you pocket or a teacup is when it is a fews wks. old .SO WHAT HAPPENS TO IT WHEN IT NO LONGER FITS . THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THE SHELTERS ARE SO FULL .Thanks FOR LETTING ME SHARE MY THOUGHTS...PLEASE DON'T YELL AT ME TO MUCH.
Who with a brain would yell at you ? Everything you said is right on :thumbup: We all love dogs or we wouldn't be here but you nailed it

rbelland 03-27-2010 09:01 AM
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Originally Posted by red98vett (Post 3057172)
Who with a brain would yell at you ? Everything you said is right on :thumbup: We all love dogs or we wouldn't be here but you nailed it

:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

ps. I love using the thumb up!!! He,he,he:rolleyes:

rbelland 03-27-2010 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by jackson25 (Post 3057171)
:lol tears I thought you ate at Red Lobster last night, I am going to have to see what is in their kids meals!:D

I too am glad YT can help educate, the ones who want to learn. Heck I learn something new everyday, I am always willing to learn!

I went ahead and ordered the big girls meal this time. :lol tears

Nancy1999 03-27-2010 09:05 AM
I couldn't agree more, I think it due in part to the public being so ignorant about dog breeding in general. Purebreds are no better than mutts, it just that breeders can predict the offspring with some certainty, and because of this, the grown dog is more likely to fit owners expectations. With mixes, you just don't know what you will get as an adult, and some people are so disappointed, and the dog goes off to the pound. I think these people are jerks, and the dogs are the ones who suffer.

I read one thread where someone stated that their yorkie was a purebred, and her breeder called it a "high bred". I'm not sure what she thought was the definition of high bred, but the word she was looking for was probably hybrid, which means mixed breed. Breeders who breed mixes are NEVER reputable. Personally, I would stay away from kijiji ads, no good breeder would advertise there.

CJxDanielle 03-27-2010 09:08 AM
I agree 1000%!
It espeially makes me sick when people breed dogs and they are obviously a poorly bred example of the breed. One of my pet peeves is yorkies that look like chihuahuas. It's terrible what people breed.

rbelland 03-27-2010 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CJxDanielle (Post 3057182)
I agree 1000%!
It espeially makes me sick when people breed dogs and they are obviously a poorly bred example of the breed. One of my pet peeves is yorkies that look like chihuahuas. It's terrible what people breed.

Makes me wonder if they are breeding yorkie to chi to get the smaller size:mad:. As if our yorkies arent small enough as it is.

jackson25 03-27-2010 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by CJxDanielle (Post 3057182)
I agree 1000%!
It espeially makes me sick when people breed dogs and they are obviously a poorly bred example of the breed. One of my pet peeves is yorkies that look like chihuahuas. It's terrible what people breed.
:thumbup: Me too! You can tell so much by a picture!

CJxDanielle 03-27-2010 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by rbelland (Post 3057183)
Makes me wonder if they are breeding yorkie to chi to get the smaller size:mad:. As if our yorkies arent small enough as it is.
Probably! The most I could make sense of it is that they are probably crossbreeding to get a smaller size and selling the pups that are black/tan in color as a "teacup/designer" yorkie and those that are some chihuahua color as a "designer/rare colored" yorkie for thousands of dollars and selling them to misinformed people or "in the moment" buyers.

Then what angers me more is those those who recieve this "designer" messes knowing that they aren't standard go and breed there dogs anyways. No telling what diseases/genetic disorders that dog could have.

jackson25 03-27-2010 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by CJxDanielle (Post 3057193)
Probably! The most I could make sense of it is that they are probably crossbreeding to get a smaller size and selling the pups that are black/tan in color as a "teacup/designer" yorkie and those that are some chihuahua color as a "designer/rare colored" yorkie for thousands of dollars and selling them to misinformed people or "in the moment" buyers.

Then what angers me more is those those who recieve this "designer" messes knowing that they aren't standard go and breed there dogs anyways. No telling what diseases/genetic disorders that dog could have.
:thumbup: Exactly! The money these "greeters" get is asinine! That is why it is so important to educate as many people as we can here on YT! These "greeters" will and do take advantage of anyone just to make a buck!

rbelland 03-27-2010 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by CJxDanielle (Post 3057193)
Probably! The most I could make sense of it is that they are probably crossbreeding to get a smaller size and selling the pups that are black/tan in color as a "teacup/designer" yorkie and those that are some chihuahua color as a "designer/rare colored" yorkie for thousands of dollars and selling them to misinformed people or "in the moment" buyers.

Then what angers me more is those those who recieve this "designer" messes knowing that they aren't standard go and breed there dogs anyways. No telling what diseases/genetic disorders that dog could have.

And the cycle continues.........................:mad:

jackson25 03-27-2010 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by rbelland (Post 3057201)
And the cycle continues.........................:mad:
So true, I highly doubt these "greeters" have any kind of spay/neuter contract!:mad: And so the story goes!

CJxDanielle 03-27-2010 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by jackson25 (Post 3057196)
:thumbup: Exactly! The money these "greeters" get is asinine! That is why it is so important to educate as many people as we can here on YT! These "greeters" will and do take advantage of anyone just to make a buck!
Most definitely! I was on another forum, and when we tried to educate them they "claimed" that their breeder was ethically in her practices of making these designer messes (which the mix she got she could have gotten a significantly cheaper version at the pound). Whatever. There will always be those stubborn "designer" owners who take a bit of education as an attack against their dog personally, but of course its not!

jackson25 03-27-2010 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CJxDanielle (Post 3057204)
Most definitely! I was on another forum, and when we tried to educate them they "claimed" that their breeder was ethically in her practices of making these designer messes (which the mix she got she could have gotten a significantly cheaper version at the pound). Whatever. There will always be those stubborn "designer" owners who take a bit of education as an attack against their dog personally, but of course its not!
I couldn't agree more! But I will still do everything I can to educate these "designer" owners! When it comes down to it, it is not there fault they have been educated the wrong way and misinformed!

BabyBrizzy 03-27-2010 10:01 AM
I completely agree! Some of you know that my rescue Aiko is from a BYB and she is just under 3 pounds and PREGNANT! Someone thought it would be cute to have super tiny puppies! And now I am having to fly clear to Dallas, TX to undo what never should have been done in the first place! I dont mind doing whatever it takes to make sure my precious little angel is healthy, but its rediculous the amount of people out there thinking, "oh wouldnt their puppies be cute?" and then not being able to handle things afterwards. It just makes me sick!

I had a lady arrested and she is now serving a 5 year prison sentence because she had 37 dogs in a 6x6x12 foot shed that she was cross breeding for the money! 13 of them had to be put down due to severe mange. Its horrible and it makes me hate people sometimes!

gemy 03-27-2010 10:24 AM
Well I think part of the "answer" is of course economics, and good marketing. Somehow "designer" dogs got fashionable. If there is a market there, or if some smart person can develop a market - then voila here come the designer dogs. All you need is a movie star or two to go around with their latest designer dog .. and then .. a market is born!.

Then we have the "myth" or is it the "fact" of hybrid "vigour". Supposedly these mutts are more healthy then purebreds. Let's add to this the Over population "question" in shelters etc.

I'm not sure how a person supports the hybrid vigour.. for where is the data on this? Where is the data collected by unbiased third parties, that shows hip/elbow dysplasia, cerf results, thryoid panels, stats collected on cause of death? Cancer, skin conditions etc. Oh yes .. I forgot, owners of mutts are not usually examined and tested for any of these things. Of course if they were then how would we accumulate the data? Lets see mark off your dog is a shepherd crossed with s**tstu crossed with bull terrier (I think).

A grr

1lilmax 03-27-2010 10:28 AM
I set here this morning looking at adds .Only a few out of all the adds i looked at was a fulled blooded dog,People make me so mad. What could have been someones loving pet ,turned into a dollar maker.and the bad thing is half of the ones that are breeding these little dogs don't give a S**t about them all they see is a dollar ,.I want to email them, and tell them to get a job.It realey makes me sick .I WISH IT WOULD STOP.BUT PEOPLE HAS GOT TO STOP BUYING FROM THESE BYB FOR IT TO STOP.THANKS

megansmomma 03-27-2010 10:59 AM
Kijiji is a horrible HORRIBLE place that is full of BYBers trying to pawn off dogs to unsuspecting buyers. It makes me sick and I so wish that these types of ads would be banned from being posted on YT as "this dog needs a home" :eek: We preach and preach about this type of breeding and try to educate and these types of links defeat our efforts. :(

Krystee 03-27-2010 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 3057179)
I couldn't agree more, I think it due in part to the public being so ignorant about dog breeding in general. Purebreds are no better than mutts, it just that breeders can predict the offspring with some certainty, and because of this, the grown dog is more likely to fit owners expectations. With mixes, you just don't know what you will get as an adult, and some people are so disappointed, and the dog goes off to the pound. I think these people are jerks, and the dogs are the ones who suffer.

I read one thread where someone stated that their yorkie was a purebred, and her breeder called it a "high bred". I'm not sure what she thought was the definition of high bred, but the word she was looking for was probably hybrid, which means mixed breed. Breeders who breed mixes are NEVER reputable. Personally, I would stay away from kijiji ads, no good breeder would advertise there.
:clapsmile I LOVE LOVE the way you worded this! It drives me crazy when some people act like purebreds are better than mutts. When it's explained this way, I think it makes a lot of sense why most people are against mixing breeds.

Nancy1999 03-27-2010 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Krystee (Post 3057281)
:clapsmile I LOVE LOVE the way you worded this! It drives me crazy when some people act like purebreds are better than mutts. When it's explained this way, I think it makes a lot of sense why most people are against mixing breeds.
I've owned a lot of mutts, and I know they can be wonderful; in fact, I was against purebred breeding because I had a rather horrible experience with a backyard breeder, and believed that all breeders were only interested in making money off of dogs. As I have learned more, I realize that there are some breed clubs that are truly interested in protecting the breed, and they truly love the breed, and want to do right by it. It's not easy to find one of these breeders, but it is possible. I think we should only buy a dog, if we are interested in supporting the "future" of the Yorkshire terrier, and we should only buy from the best breeders we can find. If all you want is a pet, rescues and shelters are the way to go, but if you want to ensure that beautiful healthy examples of the Yorkshire Terrier breed are around 100 years from now, support a great breeder!

Princes mom 03-27-2010 11:26 AM
Deja vu? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm?
 
[QUOTE=jackson25;3057206]I couldn't agree more! But I will still do everything I can to educate these "designer" owners! When it comes down to it, it is not there fault they have been educated the wrong way and misinformed![/QUOTE]

It's unfortunate that some people get so defensive when you are only trying to provide information that is based on facts...not personal opinions.

jackson25 03-27-2010 02:52 PM
[quote=Princes mom;3057305]
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Originally Posted by jackson25 (Post 3057206)
I couldn't agree more! But I will still do everything I can to educate these "designer" owners! When it comes down to it, it is not there fault they have been educated the wrong way and misinformed![/QUOTE]

It's unfortunate that some people get so defensive when you are only trying to provide information that is based on facts...not personal opinions.
Right, it is not my opinion of what the standard is. The standard is set forth by the AKC & YTCA. It is the responsibility of a reputable breeder to follow the standard, if one gets upset about "the rules", well, don't blame me, I don't make "the rules", I just follow them! It really upsets me that "greeters" prey on the uneducated people and "sell" these "designer" puppies. The public has no idea what they are getting when they "buy" a "designer" dog.

misslissa 03-27-2010 03:02 PM
i think the designer breeds have a merit but i don't like that people have stopped breeding pure breed dogs because they think they cost to much to register. i have a friend who is looking for a yorkiepoo because they are supposed to be more layed back then the pure breed and she needs a calm dog for her special needs child
we spoke with a woman who said she stopped breeding poodles because she could not handle the hassle of having the litter registered and DNA tested doing all the paper work so now she breeds yorkiepoos charges the same amount but pays less
needless to say we left


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