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colormyyorkie 03-20-2010 07:35 AM
I need your advice now please !!!
 
Hey guys, I really need someone to help me with this one. I have a female yorkies that has had a litter with my male 3 times, I have since gotten another male for a present and he is just a puppy 10 months old. My female went into heat and hooked with my older male like she usually does, Someone told me the other male is still a puppy and dont worry about him, He cant hook up with her. WRONG. They were all quiet and I went into the other room and the little PUPPY was hooked to her!!!!! WHAT do I do???? I keep the little puppy upstairs away from them now, BUT he is going out of his mind, my female is upset because she wants him around too!!! WOW I am so worried about this? Someone told me that the puppy does not have quality sperm at that age and I should not worry about it. But I dont want these 2 males to be jumping my girl........ WHAT CAN I DO, PLEASE HELP ME....... I am confused and I dont want her upset or injured??????

rbelland 03-20-2010 07:59 AM
You are going to have to seperate them from now on. Even though he is 10 months old he CAN get her pregnant. If I am correct you can have the pups in for a DNA test. You will have to do the same with your males.

I would rather have my female a bit upset, having her mate with all the males in the house is not the way to go.

jackson25 03-20-2010 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie (Post 3047561)
Hey guys, I really need someone to help me with this one. I have a female yorkies that has had a litter with my male 3 times, I have since gotten another male for a present and he is just a puppy 10 months old. My female went into heat and hooked with my older male like she usually does, Someone told me the other male is still a puppy and dont worry about him, He cant hook up with her. WRONG. They were all quiet and I went into the other room and the little PUPPY was hooked to her!!!!! WHAT do I do???? I keep the little puppy upstairs away from them now, BUT he is going out of his mind, my female is upset because she wants him around too!!! WOW I am so worried about this? Someone told me that the puppy does not have quality sperm at that age and I should not worry about it. But I dont want these 2 males to be jumping my girl........ WHAT CAN I DO, PLEASE HELP ME....... I am confused and I dont want her upset or injured??????
You will have to DNA the whole litter. I would keep all of them separated, put the males in another room. The 10 month old can possibly be able to reproduce, I have heard of young males being able too. What a mess! Good Luck!

colormyyorkie 03-20-2010 08:04 AM
I dont mind having to DNA test them all if that is what I need to do. Is this going to hurt my female in anyway? Will they be normal puppies or deformed? I dont want anything to happen to my female, she is my world. She has had 3 litters all of them were 4 puppies in each litter, very healthy puppies. She is a self whelper and a very good girl. I dotn want anything to go wrong for her????? Do yout hink she will be o.k./???

rbelland 03-20-2010 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie (Post 3047589)
I dont mind having to DNA test them all if that is what I need to do. Is this going to hurt my female in anyway? Will they be normal puppies or deformed? I dont want anything to happen to my female, she is my world. She has had 3 litters all of them were 4 puppies in each litter, very healthy puppies. She is a self whelper and a very good girl. I dotn want anything to go wrong for her????? Do yout hink she will be o.k./???
I am sure she will be just fine. You could call your vet and see what he/she says.

jackson25 03-20-2010 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie (Post 3047589)
I dont mind having to DNA test them all if that is what I need to do. Is this going to hurt my female in anyway? Will they be normal puppies or deformed? I dont want anything to happen to my female, she is my world. She has had 3 litters all of them were 4 puppies in each litter, very healthy puppies. She is a self whelper and a very good girl. I dotn want anything to go wrong for her????? Do yout hink she will be o.k./???
Do you know the lines of the 10 month old puppy, as far as what size is produced? My mentor has told me that the only reason to wait on a boy's age is for proper sperm count, not that a 10 month old can't reproduce.

With you having a female having 3 prior litters, I am a bit confused as to why you weren't taking precautions with the 10 month old anyway.

Mardelin 03-20-2010 08:16 AM
The DNA testing will have to be done on both the males and the litter. But, a must if you want the litter to AKC registered.

The 10 month old puppy is very viable. AKC rules state a litter under the age of 7 months can not be registered. And many breeders prove their males beginning at that age.

rbelland 03-20-2010 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by jackson25 (Post 3047600)
Do you know the lines of the 10 month old puppy, as far as what size is produced? My mentor has told me that the only reason to wait on a boy's age is for proper sperm count, not that a 10 month old can't reproduce.

With you having a female having 3 prior litters, I am a bit confused as to why you weren't taking precautions with the 10 month old anyway.
I think another reason is to wait until he is full grown and you know his adult size. Not to mention by then you can tell if he will be a good addition to your breeding program.

I had a mentor once tell me it was ok to breed my 6 month old:eek: Needless to say she is no longer my mentor:)

colormyyorkie 03-20-2010 08:23 AM
I asked the breeder that my husband got the puppy from about them being together, She said she never had a puppy even get interested in breeding until after a year old and that dont worry about separating him. I did call her a minute ago and she was surprised that he tied with her. She said she has never had a puppy do that, He comes from lines that produce Yorkies on the small to average size she said she has the mom, dad , grandfather, grandmother, all of them are between 3 and 5.5 lbs. Her litters that she has had are between the same. My other male and my female have had puppies that are on the average size 4-6 lbs. So I guess I didnt take any precautions for 2 reasons, 1) I trusted the advice of the breeder 2.) I have never had 2 male sand a female toegther and didnt expect this to happen. Now I am very stressed out that something bad might happen to my girl. She is a good dog and I dont want her hurt. She is going nuts now, the little male is upstairs and she is downstairs in the livingroom and the other male is in the other bedroom, All of them are NOT happy with me right now.....

Mardelin 03-20-2010 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie (Post 3047618)
I asked the breeder that my husband got the puppy from about them being together, She said she never had a puppy even get interested in breeding until after a year old and that dont worry about separating him. I did call her a minute ago and she was surprised that he tied with her. She said she has never had a puppy do that, He comes from lines that produce Yorkies on the small to average size she said she has the mom, dad , grandfather, grandmother, all of them are between 3 and 5.5 lbs. Her litters that she has had are between the same. My other male and my female have had puppies that are on the average size 4-6 lbs. So I guess I didnt take any precautions for 2 reasons, 1) I trusted the advice of the breeder 2.) I have never had 2 male sand a female toegther and didnt expect this to happen. Now I am very stressed out that something bad might happen to my girl. She is a good dog and I dont want her hurt. She is going nuts now, the little male is upstairs and she is downstairs in the livingroom and the other male is in the other bedroom, All of them are NOT happy with me right now.....
Mmmm. Most breeders know that a female should always be kept away from an in tact male. No matter what the age.

One of my girls came into Season when one of her pups were 5 months old. Since I check my girls almost daily....when I noticed she was pink and began swelling, I removed her son from her.

colormyyorkie 03-20-2010 08:28 AM
The male that I have is 3lbs 9oz and has not gained a ounce since I got him, I had him weighed 2 days ago and he weighs the same. It is like time stood still for him, He has not changed at all. He eats his food and he very active and healthy.

rbelland 03-20-2010 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie (Post 3047630)
The male that I have is 3lbs 9oz and has not gained a ounce since I got him, I had him weighed 2 days ago and he weighs the same. It is like time stood still for him, He has not changed at all. He eats his food and he very active and healthy.
That could change (maybe not for him) but I have a girl who stayed at 4 lbs for a long time and when she hit 1 year she gained a pound and then at 1yr 6months she was up to 6 and 1/2 lbs.

jackson25 03-20-2010 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by colormyyorkie (Post 3047618)
I asked the breeder that my husband got the puppy from about them being together, She said she never had a puppy even get interested in breeding until after a year old and that dont worry about separating him. I did call her a minute ago and she was surprised that he tied with her. She said she has never had a puppy do that, He comes from lines that produce Yorkies on the small to average size she said she has the mom, dad , grandfather, grandmother, all of them are between 3 and 5.5 lbs. Her litters that she has had are between the same. My other male and my female have had puppies that are on the average size 4-6 lbs. So I guess I didnt take any precautions for 2 reasons, 1) I trusted the advice of the breeder 2.) I have never had 2 male sand a female toegther and didnt expect this to happen. Now I am very stressed out that something bad might happen to my girl. She is a good dog and I dont want her hurt. She is going nuts now, the little male is upstairs and she is downstairs in the livingroom and the other male is in the other bedroom, All of them are NOT happy with me right now.....

I am surprised the breeder would say that about his age. I have had 6-11 month old males "try", not that I let them succeed, but my point is, it can happen and does!

colormyyorkie 03-20-2010 08:33 AM
Mardelin I have read and watched your posts for a long time, and I truly value your opinion. I dont think this lady knew what she was talking about, Nor do I think she has been breeding for a long time. You on the other hand are very knowledgable and it shows in your threads and answers to us newbies that need someone with the intelligence to help us along. So thank you for your information. Do you think the female is in any danger having been with 2 males???? I dont mind DNA testing the males and the litter that is not a problem. He only was with her the one time that I caught her and has been separated since. Now that I separated the other male from her, she is not happy with me. Do I keep them separated for the whole heat cycle and them see if she is pregnant? I am sure that my older male has tied with her and she is pregnant. He has never missed yet. The little boy that tied with her was on her for about well less than 30 seconds and they were untied, my other male well he is stuck for a long time with her.

jackson25 03-20-2010 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by rbelland (Post 3047632)
That could change (maybe not for him) but I have a girl who stayed at 4 lbs for a long time and when she hit 1 year she gained a pound and then at 1yr 6months she was up to 6 and 1/2 lbs.
Yep, depending on there lines, some can take longer than others to become adult weight.


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