Originally Posted by Pinehaven (Post 3023839)

QUOTE=mistique57;3023812
Pinehaven to have several conversation's and take this guy as his word is not enough really i have actually met these people here in england face to face so do know what they are capable of. I think i do know of the guy you mention as i know of buyer's that have purchased his puppies.

You seemd a little surprise when I showed you the photos of the traditional colored Alfie and you hadn't heard of the names that I had given you (the people who owned these dogs)

When asked why his puppies had white in them his answer was well it was a shock when our girl gave birth as she has never had white in her pup's before but they are popular in germany and america.

Biewers and Parti's were in the US since the late 1990's/early 2000 yet I didn't learn about them until 4 years ago - 2006.


He then went onto to say when his bitch had puppies with white in them he did contact the stud and the stud owner said oh it must be in your bitch as it is not in our dog,Yet he stated when he used his own dog she had traditional color pup's.

No, I didn't say he contacted the stud owner, because he IS the stud owner (of the traditional colored Alfie). No, I didn't state that when he used his own dog she had traditional colored pups ... where are you coming up with this story?

I said his traditional colored yorkies produced a litter with 4 parti colored pups, if you read his thread on YT, you'd see that his female Poppy produced 7 puppies in that litter, 3 traditional colored and 4 parti colored.

We then asked if the sire to the pups had white he said no he was of a traditional colour also but he did not have the sire at his home to view.
The pedigree he give's is not worth the paper it is written on.

Please recheck and read the link to Poppyalfie's threads, since you do not have the correct information. Or do you just make this up as you go along?

May i ask i don't suppose you can remember if the pedigree he gave you had his uk kennel club emblem.

Yes, they were from the UK Kennel club - I told him to see if he could get the adult dogs registered with AKC since it was a club that AKC transfer/register dogs from.

Only we have checked the one's given to us that have not stated the color parti in them and these have not been genuine pedigree's but fake made up by these byb putting differant breed's in.
I Hope This Help's.

Well, yeah, it helps a lot ... helps me to understand where you're coming from. You're just not against those "Mutt Biewer" breeders, you're against the parti gene altogether. You seem to accuse any surprise litters with parti color as being deliberately planned and a scam. I try not to make my final judgements until positive proof has been given to prove one way or the other.

Originally Posted by mistique57 (Post 3023866)

You seemd a little surprise when I showed you the photos of the traditional colored Alfie and you hadn't heard of the names that I had given you (the people who owned these dogs

No not suprised at all pinehaven as said we here in the uk are fully aware of our byb,if I remember rightly it was yourself who sounded quite suprised and a little bewildered.

No, I didn't say he contacted the stud owner, because he IS the stud owner (of the traditional colored Alfie). No, I didn't state that when he used his own dog she had traditional colored pups ... where are you coming up with this story?

I said his traditional colored yorkies produced a litter with 4 parti colored pups, if you read his thread on YT, you'd see that his female Poppy produced 7 puppies in that litter, 3 traditional colored and 4 parti colored


I did not say pinehaven that you had said the above i said this is what the uk buyer was told when they purchaed off him so please re-read hun.

Please recheck and read the link to Poppyalfie's threads, since you do not have the correct information. Or do you just make this up as you go along?


I can asure i do have the correct information pinehaven i think it is yourself that has been duped by this breeder after all they do think they are good at what they do.I also do not make this up as i go along again rest asured.



Yes, they were from the UK Kennel club - I told him to see if he could get the adult dogs registered with AKC since it was a club that AKC transfer/register dogs from


So then did he manage to get the akc to acknowlege his dog's as the uk kennel club will NOT.


Well, yeah, it helps a lot ... helps me to understand where you're coming from. You're just not against those "Mutt Biewer" breeders, you're against the parti gene altogether. You seem to accuse any surprise litters with parti color as being deliberately planned and a scam. I try not to make my final judgements until positive proof has been given to prove one way or the other.[/QUOTE

Again i am not against the parti gene what so ever or what is being bred over sea's.
I am however against our uk byb breeding and selling a dog at the extortionate price of £1,500 to the people of the uk and saying they are biewer when it HAS BEEN PROVEN they have thrown other breed's in the mix to try and create what germany and america have.
The uk authorities DO HAVE positive proof of what the byb here in the uk have done.
So please pinehaven let other's speak and have a point of view and not just the one you want other's to have.
I Hope This Help's.

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3023897)

Sue/JK - Many people will come on YT to cause trouble and are not who they say they are. This person or two have not given one bit of proof for their arguements. Anyone can use bogus IP address programs so my advise is to not respond to them anymore.

P.S. First of all in the world of AKC pedigree's are everything so it doesn't matter what these people say. There are plenty of books to prove they don't know what they are talking about (the books are on-line).

2nd of all, why would someone open a UK website supporting only dog shows that are in the US (ARBA=American Rare Breed Association) and why have a website that only educates people on a few breeders in the US. Doesn't make sense, what so ever.

If people really want the truth and see it written right after the turn of the century here is a website where everyone can read the books: (scroll down for books).

PARTI YORKSHIRE TERRIER CLUB - Links/Old Books

You can also see pedigree's on all of these dogs.

Just remember some people will stir the pot for their own cause...you just have to figure out what that cause is. :eek:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3023881)

Why do you refuse to believe that these are two different people with two different dog who both just happened to be named Alfi? Did it even occur to you that you might be mistaken?

Sue (a long time member, very informed on the parti genetics) has posted a genuine thread with genuine pictures and has viewed the authentic documents.

You ( a new member with little to no creditility, who admits you knows nothing about the partis) have given nothing but a picture that may or may not be of this so called Alfi, and a lot of hearsay that changes and grows with every post.

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3023936)

I agree about not sounding English. We have many members from England and never have they used the "language" these two have.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3023967)

So mistique you know every breeder in the UK? Wow I'm impresssed.

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3023936)

I agree about not sounding English. We have many members from England and never have they used the "language" these two have.

Originally Posted by mistique57 (Post 3023977)

Breezaway i have been on forum's and watched you insult, bully and intimidate member's untill they have felt the need to leave anyone who does not agree with you most certainly feel your wrath.

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3023987)

I have as daughter in law from there and she talks totally different.

Originally Posted by mistique57 (Post 3023998)

I live in birmingham uk i can not help how i talk.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3023988)

No 1. I did not insult you.
No 2. When someone attacks me and my website you can bet your boots I fight back.

Originally Posted by Micah my love (Post 3024000)

I wonder how close this is to Birmingham, Al :confused:

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3023988)

No 1. I did not insult you.
No 2. When someone attacks me and my website you can bet your boots I fight back.

Originally Posted by mistique57 (Post 3023977)

Breezaway i have been on forum's and watched you insult, bully and intimidate member's untill they have felt the need to leave anyone who does not agree with you most certainly feel your wrath.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3024016)

I was just answering your accusations, I might add that you are being rude.

Originally Posted by Micah my love (Post 3024000)

I wonder how close this is to Birmingham, Al :confused:

Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 3024024)

Gosh is that close to Jennison AL?

Originally Posted by mistique57 (Post 3023943)

Jeaniek,I will not be spoken to anf bullied by YOU or anyone else on here i have a right to make post's as much as you do the fact i am a new member is irrelivent and it is your say so thet you seem to say i have no credability i find this remark offensive,I am not beeing abuseinve toward's you and i wish for you to talk to me with the same respect i show you.
You are saying i have no knowledge on the parti because i am not agreeing with what you say again i repect your point's of view please repect mine.
We here in the uk are fully aware what is going on here and what is also being bred by a number of breeder's arounf the uk.
So may i ask if the advice given to the breeder's of the have they managed to register with the akc as if they had they must also have proof of importation.Also can you please tell me if the akc also let ibc register with them.
I Hope This Help's.

Originally Posted by mistique57 (Post 3024023)

Breeaway i am left feeling very upset at the treatment i am receiving from certain member's here it is uncalled for,I have made no accusation's i have stated fact's and have not been rude what i say is true you are bullying me and i have watched you on other forum's do the same untill member's have left.
I will not be intimidated by any of you.
I have a right to a point.
I respect your's.
So i ask you all to repect mine.

Originally Posted by mistique57 (Post 3023952)

How dare you call me foolish i will be reporting what you have said to the site manager i have not come on here to be insulted and called name's.
I will state again i am entitled to a point of view even though it is not the one you want to here.
I have not insulted you and will not tolerate any of you doing this to myself i am staring to feel bullied here.
I Hope This Help's.

Originally Posted by Micah my love (Post 3024000)

I wonder how close this is to Birmingham, Al :confused:

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3024041)

I say you have no knowledge of the parti because you have come up with no credible evidence to support anything that you say. On the other hand everything that any of us has said has been researched and documented. So unless you have researched and documented, then everything you say is merely hearsay.

If you want information about the AKC, then contact them with your questions.

I hope this helps

Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 3024052)

LOL

Nope she doesn't sound southern either.

Originally Posted by mistique57 (Post 3024036)

You may all mock me and my where about's all you like as i said i HAVE offered admin to contact me here in the uk.
It is now 3.30 in the afternoon here in the uk and so i am off to get my family's tea on. If you all think what you are doing to me is funny and find this amusing then so be it there is nothing i can do.
But i find how you are trying to get your kick's so not funny.

Originally Posted by Breezeaway (Post 3019642)

If you want to know who evab is all you have to do is go to the biewer pedigree database That is all I have to say.[/Q


Hello Everyone,
i am also a new member on here,it is my belief that at the time Mr Biewer bred the 2 said puppies with white in them that he was also breeding the shih tzu,A normal yorkshire terrier does NOT carry the piebald gene,But they get this gene if a shih tzu or maltese terrier is in the mix which is what i believe was done,The uk kennel club have confirmed in the early year's that maltese did indeed go into the yorkshire terrier,They have also confirmed that none of our uk yorkshire terrier's from streamglen have ever had a yorkie born with white in it,As i would of thought as they came from england then we would of had this puppy with this marking white in it so just where did the white in them come from in the later year's,This is where i believe the shih tzu and or maltese terrier was mixed into the yorkshire terrier,I have studdied many many picture's of the biewer/partie/splitter and they scream shih tzu it is very clear to the eye to see this fact.
The money being asked for this breed is extortinate as they are just a man made breed that have been created using other breed's so they are a cross bred dog in my mind.