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teacup0819 02-03-2010 08:36 PM
Yorkie Valley Puppys
 
I am hoping to adopt a 12 week old yorkie from a yorkietalk member who purchased her puppy from Yorkie Valley Puppys.

I did a BBB search and they rate an A+, but when I checked out the puppymill on this site, they are listed :(

What are your thoughts....anyone ever hear of these people? Anyone ever buy a puppy from them and were there any problems. Keep in mind that I am not buying from them directly.

Thanks for your help.:animal-pa

scrapindee 02-03-2010 08:40 PM
I'm confused. Is the YT member re-selling a puppy or are you looking at the same breeder?

teacup0819 02-03-2010 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by scrapindee (Post 2986765)
I'm confused. Is the YT member re-selling a puppy or are you looking at the same breeder?

She is re-selling. The puppy was bought for her sister-in-law and she cannot keep her.

I have spoken to the YT member on the phone and by email and she seems very nice and genuine. I was just wondering if anyone knew about this breeder.

teacup0819 02-03-2010 08:58 PM
I am not looking for a show dog...I would just like some background info on the breeder. The current owner is very thoughtful and nice and I am very sure she is taking wonderful care of the puppies.

They are listed on the USDA list of breeders and the thread says they could be potential puppy mill people....their website says they don't allow home visits any longer because they had a puppy stolen from them.

I am just curious....:animal-pa

BamaFan121s 02-04-2010 03:52 PM
Simply put, I would not buy a puppy that I knew came from someone that is a puppy mill. I would rescue one, but if I were to buy one, I would rather my money go towards a dog that I knew was well bred from a reputable breeder. JMO.

livingdustmops 02-04-2010 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2987854)
Simply put, I would not buy a puppy that I knew came from someone that is a puppy mill. I would rescue one, but if I were to buy one, I would rather my money go towards a dog that I knew was well bred from a reputable breeder. JMO.
I would NEVER put $$$ into a BYB or puppymill but in this case someone has already done it...but I don't know who would buy a dog for someone else and are already selling the dog. NO ONE should ever buy a dog for someone else..it should always be an informed choice.

I will also say, I don't care how nice people are selling dogs...they are all nice until you get the $$$. May I ask how much this person wants for the dog?
Is there any health warranty?

I just reread the thread and I don't understand the current owners are taking good care of the puppies... "WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PUPPIES?"

Is this the website? http://www.yorkievalleypuppys.com/

JeanieK 02-04-2010 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by teacup0819 (Post 2986795)
I am not looking for a show dog...I would just like some background info on the breeder. The current owner is very thoughtful and nice and I am very sure she is taking wonderful care of the puppies.

They are listed on the USDA list of breeders and the thread says they could be potential puppy mill people....their website says they don't allow home visits any longer because they had a puppy stolen from them.

I am just curious....:animal-pa
If they are on the USDA list, chances are they ARE a puppy mill. Small breeders are not required to be licensed by the USDA

PrestigeousYT 02-04-2010 04:08 PM
From time to time Show breeder may have a nice pet available with a spay/neuter contract. If you are looking for a pet, you may want to check out the show breeders in your area.

Breny 02-04-2010 04:14 PM
In the For Sale section there is a long time member selling a puppy she bought from this breeder the OP is asking about. The pup was actually being purchased by her SIL, something happened and Sara went ahead and bought the pup. The pup is not getting along wth Saras baby and she wanted to find it a good home. (I just read and got all caught up :) )
Here is the thread http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...uppy-sale.html


Quote:
Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2987871)
I would NEVER put $$$ into a BYB or puppymill but in this case someone has already done it...but I don't know who would buy a dog for someone else and are already selling the dog. NO ONE should ever buy a dog for someone else..it should always be an informed choice.

I will also say, I don't care how nice people are selling dogs...they are all nice until you get the $$$. May I ask how much this person wants for the dog?
Is there any health warranty?

I just reread the thread and I don't understand the current owners are taking good care of the puppies... "WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PUPPIES?"

Is this the website? YORKIE VALLEY PUPPYS - Home

Jacksmom052709 02-04-2010 04:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Breny (Post 2987886)
In the For Sale section there is a long time member selling a puppy she bought from this breeder the OP is asking about. The pup was actually being purchased by her SIL, something happened and Sara went ahead and bought the pup. The pup is not getting along wth Saras baby and she wanted to find it a good home. (I just read and got all caught up :) )
Here is the thread http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...uppy-sale.html

Thanks for catching this up - I was getting ready to do the same, so now I don't have to. :D

livingdustmops 02-04-2010 04:34 PM
I guess I am very shocked that a long time YT member would buy from these people (if I have the right website) for a lot of reasons...

But this is just one of them...:(

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Shaking my head...

To the OP, just so you understand USDA puppies usually means someone doesn't give a poop about the dogs and is just breeding to make $$$. Health could be a concern as it is doubted they have done any tests with the parents and just do what they are required bylaw with the puppy. There are a number of good breeders who would sell you a good puppy for about the same price and be there if you need them.

capt_noonie 02-04-2010 04:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2987871)
I would NEVER put $$$ into a BYB or puppymill but in this case someone has already done it...but I don't know who would buy a dog for someone else and are already selling the dog. NO ONE should ever buy a dog for someone else..it should always be an informed choice.

I will also say, I don't care how nice people are selling dogs...they are all nice until you get the $$$. May I ask how much this person wants for the dog?
Is there any health warranty?

I just reread the thread and I don't understand the current owners are taking good care of the puppies... "WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY PUPPIES?"

Is this the website? YORKIE VALLEY PUPPYS - Home
I get a strange feeling from the website. They talk about the accepted payment methods about 3 times, that they prefer not to take credit cards bc the fees are too high, prefer walmart money gram, etc. They also encourage you to get the puppy at 7-8 weeks bc after that QUOTE: "But We Don't Like To Keep Them Much Older Because They Tend To Bond With Us. By 8 Weeks They Need To Be With Their New Family To Bond With Them." and they can neuter a boy at 7 weeks. That is way too early, what if he has retained baby teeth? Most people would not put him under again to take out the baby teeth.

they also sell mixes and do not allow home visits bc the USDA already inspects them.

And that website is soooo hard to read. Use that return key and make paragraphs your friend!

amanda350 02-04-2010 04:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2987907)
I guess I am very shocked that a long time YT member would buy from these people (if I have the right website) for a lot of reasons...

But this is just one of them...:(

Security
We use an outside shipping company to ship orders, and a credit card processing company to bill users for goods and services. These companies do not retain, share, store or use personally identifiable information for any secondary purposes beyond filling your order.

Shaking my head...

To the OP, just so you understand USDA puppies usually means someone doesn't give a poop about the dogs and is just breeding to make $$$. Health could be a concern as it is doubted they have done any tests with the parents and just do what they are required bylaw with the puppy. There are a number of good breeders who would sell you a good puppy for about the same price and be there if you need them.
:thumbup::thumbup:

teacup0819 02-04-2010 06:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Breny (Post 2987886)
In the For Sale section there is a long time member selling a puppy she bought from this breeder the OP is asking about. The pup was actually being purchased by her SIL, something happened and Sara went ahead and bought the pup. The pup is not getting along wth Saras baby and she wanted to find it a good home. (I just read and got all caught up :) )
Here is the thread http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/yor...uppy-sale.html

This is the puppy!

mizzwanned 02-04-2010 06:49 PM
Yes I got Maggie from Yorkievalleypuppys. I asked the breeder to keep her longer but she had already separated her from Momma and she didn't want to keep her longer, as she was already alone-her sister had left. Sophie also came from this breeder, which is why I went ahead and got Maggie from here. She was recommended to me from a groomer. I did not think Yorkievalley was a puppymill, and I really hope they are not. They do accept credit cards..and paypal. Sophie was a great dog and I wanted one that was related to her but she was no longer breeding her mom and dad. I don't know if Maggie is related to her but she is a wonderful puppy. If I found out she wasn't healthy or something was wrong with her I would def. not sell her.

teacup0819 02-04-2010 06:54 PM
I know that you are all about the good of your yorkies. I would never even think you would sell a sick puppy. Please don't think that was what this thread was about. I just wanted to know more about the breeder. :animal-pa

scrapindee 02-04-2010 07:56 PM
Now that I've read the entire thread, the SIl should return the pup to the original breeder/puppymill. If you want a healthy puppy buy one from a breeder that doesn't sell puppies under 12 weeks of age. JMHO

Reese1 02-05-2010 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by capt_noonie (Post 2987910)
I get a strange feeling from the website. They talk about the accepted payment methods about 3 times, that they prefer not to take credit cards bc the fees are too high, prefer walmart money gram, etc. They also encourage you to get the puppy at 7-8 weeks bc after that QUOTE: "But We Don't Like To Keep Them Much Older Because They Tend To Bond With Us. By 8 Weeks They Need To Be With Their New Family To Bond With Them." and they can neuter a boy at 7 weeks. That is way too early, what if he has retained baby teeth? Most people would not put him under again to take out the baby teeth.

they also sell mixes and do not allow home visits bc the USDA already inspects them.

And that website is soooo hard to read. Use that return key and make paragraphs your friend!
Ditto on the return key/paragraphs!

There are quite a few red flags with this breeder, IMO!
First of all they have hundreds and hundreds of photos on Flicker with the dogs standing next to everything from a roll of toilet paper, milk carton, pop cans, etc..
The size of the the females they are breeding!
The mix of breeds they are breeding
They are USDA licensed and proud of it!!!
They do NOT allow visits, I would NEVER buy from someone who has this policy and they mention the "visitor policy" in all the ads.

They seem to advertise all over the place!

I noticed on some of their flicker photos, it mentions N.Y. pet store next to it, I don't know if that means they sell to NY pet stores??

JeanieK 02-05-2010 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by mizzwanned (Post 2988197)
Yes I got Maggie from Yorkievalleypuppys. I asked the breeder to keep her longer but she had already separated her from Momma and she didn't want to keep her longer, as she was already alone-her sister had left. Sophie also came from this breeder, which is why I went ahead and got Maggie from here. She was recommended to me from a groomer. I did not think Yorkievalley was a puppymill, and I really hope they are not. They do accept credit cards..and paypal. Sophie was a great dog and I wanted one that was related to her but she was no longer breeding her mom and dad. I don't know if Maggie is related to her but she is a wonderful puppy. If I found out she wasn't healthy or something was wrong with her I would def. not sell her.
Trust me, if they are USDA they are a puppy mill. They manufacture puppies, that is how they make aliving.

I find it hard to believe that you could not determine that after being a longtime YT member.

JeanieK 02-05-2010 06:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Reese1 (Post 2988770)
Ditto on the return key/paragraphs!

There are quite a few red flags with this breeder, IMO!
First of all they have hundreds and hundreds of photos on Flicker with the dogs standing next to everything from a roll of toilet paper, milk carton, pop cans, etc..
The size of the the females they are breeding!
The mix of breeds they are breeding
They are USDA licensed and proud of it!!!
They do NOT allow visits, I would NEVER buy from someone who has this policy and they mention the "visitor policy" in all the ads.

They seem to advertise all over the place!

I noticed on some of their flicker photos, it mentions N.Y. pet store next to it, I don't know if that means they sell to NY pet stores??
The first sentence turned me off. My husband and "ME" If you're going to build a a website, use proper grammer and a dictionary.

Reese1 02-05-2010 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JeanieK (Post 2988818)
The first sentence turned me off. My husband and "ME" If you're going to build a a website, use proper grammer and a dictionary.
Not to mention the way they spell "puppys." I guess that could have been intentional!

ladyjane 02-05-2010 07:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by teacup0819 (Post 2988209)
I know that you are all about the good of your yorkies. I would never even think you would sell a sick puppy. Please don't think that was what this thread was about. I just wanted to know more about the breeder. :animal-pa

First off, don't be naive enough to believe that everyone on YT is about the good of yorkies. Sure, many are; but there are many who have other agendas imho.

You now have been given information about the breeder, just like the person you are thinking about buying the puppy from was given. I can only say this. If you are willing to run a risk of having serious health issues with your yorkie go for it. You best have a stash of money just in case! Some things don't show up right away. There are many, many threads on YT of things that happen with poorly bred yorkies.

Since clearly many people on YT could give a rats behind about the numbers of yorkies being euthanized daily, I doubt that my posting about those horrors is going to make a huge difference here. It has been said countless times and people still pad the pockets of these worthless, lazy humans who make a living off the backs of defenseless pups.

livingdustmops 02-05-2010 07:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizzwanned (Post 2988197)
Yes I got Maggie from Yorkievalleypuppys. I asked the breeder to keep her longer but she had already separated her from Momma and she didn't want to keep her longer, as she was already alone-her sister had left. Sophie also came from this breeder, which is why I went ahead and got Maggie from here. She was recommended to me from a groomer. I did not think Yorkievalley was a puppymill, and I really hope they are not. They do accept credit cards..and paypal. Sophie was a great dog and I wanted one that was related to her but she was no longer breeding her mom and dad. I don't know if Maggie is related to her but she is a wonderful puppy. If I found out she wasn't healthy or something was wrong with her I would def. not sell her.
I honestly cannot understand how you did not know what kind of place this was after being on YT for 3 years. We have posted over and over again what is a puppymill and what to look for.:(

ourfirstyorkie 02-05-2010 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ladyjane (Post 2988844)
First off, don't be naive enough to believe that everyone on YT is about the good of yorkies. Sure, many are; but there are many who have other agendas imho.

You now have been given information about the breeder, just like the person you are thinking about buying the puppy from was given. I can only say this. If you are willing to run a risk of having serious health issues with your yorkie go for it. You best have a stash of money just in case! Some things don't show up right away. There are many, many threads on YT of things that happen with poorly bred yorkies.

Since clearly many people on YT could give a rats behind about the numbers of yorkies being euthanized daily, I doubt that my posting about those horrors is going to make a huge difference here. It has been said countless times and people still pad the pockets of these worthless, lazy humans who make a living off the backs of defenseless pups.
:thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:

amanda350 02-05-2010 10:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizzwanned (Post 2988197)
Yes I got Maggie from Yorkievalleypuppys. I asked the breeder to keep her longer but she had already separated her from Momma and she didn't want to keep her longer, as she was already alone-her sister had left. Sophie also came from this breeder, which is why I went ahead and got Maggie from here. She was recommended to me from a groomer. I did not think Yorkievalley was a puppymill, and I really hope they are not. They do accept credit cards..and paypal. Sophie was a great dog and I wanted one that was related to her but she was no longer breeding her mom and dad. I don't know if Maggie is related to her but she is a wonderful puppy. If I found out she wasn't healthy or something was wrong with her I would def. not sell her.
I don't usually get into the puppy mill discussions as I myself get frustrated at the people who just don't seem to care, but I have to ask. You said that Sophie came from this place as well and if I remember correctly, didn't she just die with no warning or cause known? Do you not wonder if her death could be related to the fact that she did indeed come from a puppy mill. Also, you made a few posts after bringing Maggie home about her being real sick and also about her whining a lot. You have not seemed to be to happy with her since you got her. Could it be that she is from a puppy mill and may have something seriously wrong with her?? I am not saying that you do not care about your animals, but I can say that I would not want Maggie at the risk of her dying after 3 yrs due to health issues just like Sophie did.

livingdustmops 02-05-2010 11:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by amanda350 (Post 2989152)
I don't usually get into the puppy mill discussions as I myself get frustrated at the people who just don't seem to care, but I have to ask. You said that Sophie came from this place as well and if I remember correctly, didn't she just die with no warning or cause known? Do you not wonder if her death could be related to the fact that she did indeed come from a puppy mill. Also, you made a few posts after bringing Maggie home about her being real sick and also about her whining a lot. You have not seemed to be to happy with her since you got her. Could it be that she is from a puppy mill and may have something seriously wrong with her?? I am not saying that you do not care about your animals, but I can say that I would not want Maggie at the risk of her dying after 3 yrs due to health issues just like Sophie did.
I agree about the health issues and then she bought a dog from this breeder with other flags...

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...kennel-sc.html

jackson25 02-05-2010 12:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2989331)
I agree about the health issues and then she bought a dog from this breeder with other flags...

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...kennel-sc.html
Interesting!:rolleyes:

mizzwanned 02-05-2010 12:25 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2989331)
I agree about the health issues and then she bought a dog from this breeder with other flags...

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...kennel-sc.html
What other flags does she have? That she loves her dogs?

mizzwanned 02-05-2010 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by amanda350 (Post 2989152)
I don't usually get into the puppy mill discussions as I myself get frustrated at the people who just don't seem to care, but I have to ask. You said that Sophie came from this place as well and if I remember correctly, didn't she just die with no warning or cause known? Do you not wonder if her death could be related to the fact that she did indeed come from a puppy mill. Also, you made a few posts after bringing Maggie home about her being real sick and also about her whining a lot. You have not seemed to be to happy with her since you got her. Could it be that she is from a puppy mill and may have something seriously wrong with her?? I am not saying that you do not care about your animals, but I can say that I would not want Maggie at the risk of her dying after 3 yrs due to health issues just like Sophie did.
Yes I think Sophie passed from HGE, after researching some and asking my vet about it. Thanks for asking but I am happy with Maggie. The whining-that may be due to her not being socialized well but she is not doing it as much and that's def. not something that would make me not want her:confused: I love her-if it were up to me I wouldn't even rehome her. The only reason I was wanting to rehome her was because of her and Livie not getting along. But she is smart and playful, very alert. The only problems I can think of with her is the whining and her eating her poop-which I also have been working with stopping and it has been working. Her getting sick in the beginning has nothing to do with where she came from-it was from me changing her food. She just had some diarrhea and throwing up. When I got London the same thing happened to her-actually that happens to many puppies and that is my fault for not gradually switching her food correctly.

jackson25 02-05-2010 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by mizzwanned (Post 2989373)
What other flags does she have? That she loves her dogs?
Her breeding females....some are just above 3lbs!


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