Spike has no papers......
 

I'm fairly new here and have recently thought about studding Spike. Only thing is, I have no paperwork for Spike. Spike is 3 years old and weighs under 2 pounds. No question in my mind he is a pure-bred. Can I get paperwork for him somehow? How much do you think I could charge to stud?

you would need to contact akc for his info on parents...that is if his parents were reg with them. there will most likely be a penalty fee for reg, but is still possible to get. he is a good age for breeding, but you need to ask yourself why you want to do it. is he from healthy lines, is he within the standard,, who would you breed him with, have you checked the background of the female you have in mind for him...i know, so many questions...but i just want to make sure you are prepared. so much can happen. keep us informed.

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btw, he is adorable i might add

I really know nothing about his line. I saved Spike from the Humane Society and found absolutley nothing about his past. He is very healthy. I want to breed him because I think he needs to. He humps a couple of dogs from the neighborhood when he play with them. And if he is, I figured I might as well charge a stud fee.

Humping is usually a dominance thing, not really an "in the mood thang". ;) Unless it's a female in heat....then that's a different story!

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AKC will not allow you to register him..no one has any idea who his parents are ...he may well be a purebred Yorkie, but unless you know the breeder and can get his registration info, AKC will not talk to you much beyond NO!
He could be from another country and shipped to the US..very common...there are dozens valid reasons for AKC denying papers.

she's (pat) right. i didnt understand if you had the info on his parents from his breeder at first, but after re-reading i see you got him from humane society. that was a great thing for you to do, but DO NOT breed him. you dont know and cant find out where he came from. so just enjoy him and love him! and you also cannot register him through akc if he is a humane society baby adopted. keep us updated on him, he sure is a little cutie!

doesn't the human society automatically spay and neuter before they adopt out?

you sure your little man isnt neutered? I thought that was normal practice on a rescue dog? :confused:

That's what I thought, too. I would be shocked if he wasn't already neutered.

I have a very close friend who works at the Humane Society ;) and he gave me a call the minute Spike came in the door. I was able to rescue Spike without him having to be neutered. T-Bone is a Humane Society pup as well but he is neutered.

I think the CKC (Continental Kennel Club) will register your dog with pictures of your dog and 2 witnesses signing their form stating your dog is a yorkie... (I have a copy of the form here that I am reading...there is a witness section if your dog is over 6 months old). You can get the form online ... do a search on Continental Kennel Club. You can call the various registries and check with them... CKC, ACA, APRI and see what their policies for registering are.

Hope this helps!

Alot of the alternate registries are not worth the paper they are printed on for this very reason. Many were formed to help mill breeders sell 'registered' dogs for more $.
This dog should not be bred, since you have no way of determining whether or not he is carrying recessive genetic traits for inheritable health problems. I am sure you do not want to be responsible for producing pups with serious health issues. Yorks are famous for 'em, check the sick/health threads. Just cause he's cute, doesn't mean you should breed him. The person you know at the Humane Society should have insisted that he be neutered... please make a responsible choice and have him neutered asap.

So because AKC won't give me a piece of paper I shouldn't breed him??? If AKC is as good as most poeple make them out to be, why don't they do blood work or similar things to determine a bloodline or "recessive genetic traits?"

There are tests that can be done to see if he has certain traits, but think of what you're asking...for his DNA to be tested for a recessive genetic trait, not for something that will eventually show up in him,that's money right there. There are some things that can be tested for, and some that cannot. I think that it depends on why you want to stud him out. It seems to me that it's probably just a money thing, which is the wrong reason anyway, but if you do stud him out you just need to be aware that Spike is a very little Yorkie without a pedigree. You don't know where he came from or what his parents were like. He is far under the breed standard, and thus he and any substandard puppies he produces have a much higher risk of health difficulties. It's not very fair to the puppies produced, or the breeder you stud him to if you just get CKC papers and go for it. As long as you let the breeder know his background ahead of time, then you're not indebted to them later, but anyone willing to mate their female with him, without knowing anything, probably isn't a very knowledgable breeder. I don't think anyone meant to offend saying that Spike wasn't fit to breed. If you were going to keep all the puppies it's a totally different story, they're just for love and cuddling in the family, but otherwise it's basically the same principal as mating mutts (though that's a bit harsh, but I'm just trying to draw a bit of a parallel).

No. You should not breed him because you don't know what the genetics of his offspring might have. You could inadvertently be causing lots of suffering for more dogs if they have genetic problems. He will also be healthier and happier if you get him neutered.

Its up to the dog owner to do all the tests needed for studding. AKC is the registry to back up the dog heritage only.

If you don't have any background knowledge of your dog you should have at least X-rays of knees, blood work to check functions, bile acid testing, eye exam, Brucellosis check, make sure he is free from any heart murmur.

I have to say IMO though that any Humane Society who lets an employee send out an unaltered animal needs reviewed.

This dog may have been there due to a problem. Some Yorkies are dumped because owners find out there is a health problem they don't want to pay for. You won't know unless you do a complete health exam with tests.

Thats exactly what I was thinking.. abt a Yorkie being dumped,,, it just doesnt happen,often, In all my years,, I have NEVER seen a Yorkie at our pound,, barely ,any small dogs at all, because there is such a demand, and waiting lists. I would WONDER why and how this dog got to the pound,, Has your vet seen him and checked him out completely? IMO I wouldnt want to chance what could happen if he is bred. Too many question marks.

AKC does have DNA testing available, but it will only determine or rule out parentage. AKC registration is only a small point when it comes to choosing to breed or not. Unfortunately, science has not as yet given us the tools to determine which problematic genes may be carrying traits that breeders would like to eliminate. Therefore, it requires an enormous amount of research into the health backgrounds of each breeding dog we use to try to eliminate the problems that may be carried by our 'healthy' breeding dogs. We look back at parents, siblings, grandparents, great-grandparents etc... as far back as possible on both sides to try to make sure we are not bringing forward any of the myriad problems with health. A good breeder should be familiar with genetics and all the possible health problems common to the breed. Do you know about portosystemic shunt, luxating patellas, collapsing tracheas, Legg-calve perthes, heart murmurs, open fontanels...just to scratch the surface?
You say you just want another puppy, what is your responsibility to any other pups produced from the mating? Or any pups they produce if allowed to be bred by whoever gets them, and so on and so on. They will be on the planet because of a choice you made.
food for thought.

Hello,
I'm new here, too. But I have an 11 year old, no papers, no past, but VERY NEUTERED Yorkie, "Chipper". Chipper's hypoglycemic so we had him neutered at six months. Now we have a little girl Yorkie, "Mini", due to whelp on October 24th. The 'ol man, Chipper, started humping on her when she first came in season, and still does! Nothing downstairs, but I guess it's still upstairs.

Breed him? Yes! Lots of people want tiny's. But do get a Vet Good Bill of Health for both your stud and the female you find. These AKC Yorkie puppies are selling now for a bloody fortune, but there are A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO WANT A MINI YORKIE AS A PET. And, will pay $300-$500. So, either charge $150 the first time ... no guarantee he's viable ... or take pick of litter, and sell the puppy.

I know a lot of Breeders do not want unpapered Yorkies out there ... but, c'mon, not a lot of people (who would make wonderful owners) can afford the prices!

What are the reasons to use him at stud ?

I was going to say the same thing.

he came from a humane society and they didn't neuter him first? that seems very odd to me.

nevermind...I saw that you answered that question. however, just because he humps everything doesn't mean that he needs to be bred. you know nothing of his past, what kind of traits he may carry.

alternatives or not...because he humps everything in site doesnt validate his quality or worthiness. You know NOTHING of his background, turning him loose recklessly to breed is irresponsible! What concerns me is your comment "Because he humps everything in sight, why shouldnt you get paid for it" tells me you need to think this over and over and over again and wake up thinking youve made the right decision, let your conscience guide you and never forget he was a rescue and obviously there was a reason for that. Keep in mind you may be responsible for the next 12 yorkies or mix breeds available in rescue because you know nothing about his lineage, that being said, should give you a clue NOT studding him is the right answer. I might add MOST breeders worth their salt would find out he has no background and NEVER use him. So if you want to be serious about studding find a great representation to the breed with a desireable pedigree, study and know his background well and begin your studding reputation with knowledge not tarnish or GREED (offering a rescue)!

I am working in a dog shelter and I never saw a dog needing to be bred . Most of the time , it is the persons needing $ . He may be cute but shelters are full of cute dogs .

Is it at all possible that this is yet another flame bait post? I have read and re-read the answers to the questions. They are, well, not quite what I would expect them to be. It is one of those things I just can't put my finger on.
I hope the "friend" was booted out of the shelter! And, I would hope that you as an owner would spend some time educating yourself about the responsibilities and results of putting 2 dogs together and making puppies..

I am just going to suggest that someone needs to do some homework before they dispense advice.

1 irresponsible owner + another irresponsible owner = too many dogs in shelters.

:mad: Dumb dumb dumb!!!!!!!! Why would you want to help put alot of POSSIBLE sick dogs out there........you need to think with your brain...not the dollar signs in her eyes!!! :mad: :thumbdown :thumbdown