HI Mary, I'm hanging in and doing good...Mom is hanging in as well...just taking it a day at a time. But she's holding her own pretty good so far :)
Thanks for asking :)

Donna

Been thinking about you. Prayers are with you.

Mary

Thank you hon! I really appreicate it :) I'm ready for NY so I can have a break and let my brother take over for awhile :)

I don't see how it would be possible for him to sire any pups. The testicles are completely removed as well as the "tube" that pumps the sperm. He should not be able to ejaculate at all, i cannot see how that would be possible.

Also, I find it hard to believe he would be able to tie with her without some serious pain only 4 days after..

Maybe she let them breed before he got neutered. Why didn't she tell you the female was in heat before you sent her a male?? Sorry, sounds fishy to me.

Did she sign a contract saying she would have the female spayed? I would hold her to it and tell her she needs to have it done now.

I would have neutered the male before sending him at his age. Also, do you have proof he was neutered?

I require a copy of spay/neuter certificates and it must be done by 6 months.

Ditto....

He should have been neutered first, I agree. But, she wanted to do it with her vet, and we (yes, stuipdly), trusted her completely since there was a relationship there. In my gut, I have a feeling something is 'off', but I don't know anything for sure. Usually we require proof of spay/neuter before releasing akc papers (and, when she got the female, we weren't requiring proof, just giving limited registration), but I went ahead and sent the papers, limited of course, because we trusted her (not that having the limited akc papers makes a difference - she still can't register any puppies) and if she intended on breeding from the get-go, you'd think she would have 'tricked' us into an unrelated male.




Anyway, I knew I would get a lot of flak from this post, but I just wanted some advice.... I have been sick to my stomach for the last 3 days over this whole thing (it had an effect in the ring this weekend, too - I couldn't focus at all). I have told the owner that the best/ only option in my opinion is an immediate spay.



I guess, if nothing else, I have learned to neuter males before allowing them to leave. And, trusting someone is just not enough. We have to protect owners from themseves - even if the whole story is completely true, it could have all been avoided if Wyatt had been neutered first or if we had required proof of spay before placing another dog in the home.


More than anything, I hope someone else reads this and avoids a similar situation. I can't put in to words the torture this is causing me physically. I feel like a total failure and like I let the breed down... Maybe that's why I'm so sick over it...

Oh you are not a failure, nor are you perfect! I think we can all attest to the fact we have all made mistakes when it comes to breeding and selling dogs. As well as buying them.

Most likely it was not something she planned, and she is the one to blame for not having the female spayed. She could of gotten pregnant by any dog.

I have learned to not trust anyone because people lie for what you would think is no reason to. It is just best to have everything out in the open, and in a very detailed contract. Let people know they will be charged extra for not having the dog fixed.

My contract says if they do not do it by 6 months they will have to pay me up to $950.00 if they do not have them fixed. The charge is a breeding fee. I figure if they don't have the dog fixed then they must want to breed it. And it gives them something to think about before they try to screw me, because I will enforce it.

It's to bad we have to be so un-trusting. And even giving limited registration they can go to the one of the other registries and register the dog and still breed them. Of course they aren't worth as much but so many don't care.

What did she say when you told her you wanted the pup spayed now? I forgot how old you said she was but you might also tell her that having puppies this young is dangerous.

You can only do so much and I think you have done that. But really, don't beat yourself up over this.

I would also tell her that if she decides to allow her to have the pups that she either cannot sell them (has to give away with small adoption fee) or she can sell them but she has to give you 80%. She should not be allowed to make any money off the litter. That is my opinion however..

The breeder can register CKC (USA) ACA etc..more and more pet buyers no longer care about AKC papers. Limited AKC's mean nothing unfortunately...

Post 22....I would also tell her that if she decides to allow her to have the pups that she either cannot sell them (has to give away with small adoption fee) or she can sell them but she has to give you 80%. She should not be allowed to make any money off the litter. That is my opinion however..[/QUOTE]

JMO..I would not accept a penny from breeding this bitch to her brother...

The verdict was in last week ( I just forgot to post).

NOT pregnant! Thank GOD

Though, I have learned a more than valuable lesson here, that's for sure!

Thank you to everyone for the advice and letting me know how things SHOULD have gone. :)

Thanks for coming back to update us. I didn't think he would of been able to get her pg after being neutered. glad to hear she isn't.

I sure hope you have convinced them to get the female spayed NOW and not wait any longer;)