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ddj2 01-26-2010 06:33 AM
Delivered puppy he was breach, but with a couple of good pushes and me gently pulling he is out.

Mardelin 01-26-2010 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by ddj2 (Post 2972567)
Delivered puppy he was breach, but with a couple of good pushes and me gently pulling he is out.
Keep watch on his breathing as well as the rest of the pups....Since there was green prior to the delivery on this one, it could affect their resperation and cause complications.

Hopefully you didn't pull the puppy's legs. You said breach if his hind legs were protruding that is a posterior presentation, not breech.

BamaFan121s 01-26-2010 06:42 AM
Whew...what a relief.

Yes, never never never pull the legs...or head! Just to confirm, and Mary I'm sure you'll know what I mean, I've always been instructed that in those instances, you should form 'hooks' with your index and middle fingers and hook around under the hips or shoulders? Gently and slowly pulling while slightly twisting back and forth. Is that correct? (In my mind, that is a very hard thing to explain via the typed word.)

Thankfully, I have never had to do this with one of mine...only with Shih Tzus.

Mardelin 01-26-2010 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2972581)
Whew...what a relief.

Yes, never never never pull the legs...or head! Just to confirm, and Mary I'm sure you'll know what I mean, I've always been instructed that in those instances, you should form 'hooks' with your index and middle fingers and hook around under the hips or shoulders? Is that correct? (In my mind, that is a very hard thing to explain via the typed word.)
You are absolutely right and always pull gently with a contraction. Pulling on legs and head can cause great damage. I've had diffculty with pup's heads being too big and had to completely lubricate and dialate my girl.....

BamaFan121s 01-26-2010 06:52 AM
Well that just sounds super fun! :eek: Yeah, very easy to injur the pup if not done right...and at that stage, they are quite slippery and hard to grasp. :( Definately one of those 'need to know' aspects, but NOT something I would feel comfortable with having to try to coach someone through over the net/phone.

Shih Tzu breeder friend of mine says that it's not at all uncommon for her to have to assist in this manner with pup. I guess maybe the cranial structure of that breed presents a higher likelyhood of getting hung up in the canal...

Mardelin 01-26-2010 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by BamaFan121s (Post 2972595)
Well that just sounds super fun! :eek: Yeah, very easy to injur the pup if not done right...and at that stage, they are quite slippery and hard to grasp. :( Definately one of those 'need to know' aspects, but NOT something I would feel comfortable with having to try to coach someone through over the net/phone.

Shih Tzu breeder friend of mine says that it's not at all uncommon for her to have to assist in this manner with pup. I guess maybe the cranial structure of that breed presents a higher likelyhood of getting hung up in the canal...
I've had to do it twice......Both with the whelping the first pup. Pups were very normal in size, but for some reason my girls hadn't dialated enough to pass the pup. My last whelp I had one that happened just that way but, was being presented head up, instead of down....try dialating your girl, turning the pup around and assisting the head to pass.......

livingdustmops 01-26-2010 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2972585)
You are absolutely right and always pull gently with a contraction. Pulling on legs and head can cause great damage. I've had diffculty with pup's heads being too big and had to completely lubricate and dialate my girl.....
Oh God, that made me squeeze my legs together...poor mom...Lordy.

Of course I never heard the end of it from my mother that by the time she got to the hospital one foot was out from me but the other leg was still in the uterus and I almost ripped in half...now I know that is not entirely true but the vet (oh I mean Dr.) had to push me back up so he could grab both feet/legs and pull me out feet first.:p:D:p

BamaFan121s 01-26-2010 07:05 AM
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try dialating your girl, turning the pup around and assisting the head to pass.......
Ugh...no thanks, I'd like to take a pass on that one if at all possible. (Too bad it doesn't work that way.)

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Of course I never heard the end of it from my mother that by the time she got to the hospital one foot was out from me but the other leg was still in the uterus and I almost ripped in half...now I know that is not entirely true but the vet (oh I mean Dr.) had to push me back up so he could grab both feet/legs and pull me out feet first.:p:D:p
Oh Lordy, you ain't right? You know that, right? Just curious, are you still that flexible? Glad the vet was able to straiten you out!

Mardelin 01-26-2010 07:05 AM
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Oh God, that made me squeeze my legs together...poor mom...Lordy.

Of course I never heard the end of it from my mother that by the time she got to the hospital one foot was out from me but the other leg was still in the uterus and I almost ripped in half...now I know that is not entirely true but the vet (oh I mean Dr.) had to push me back up so he could grab both feet/legs and pull me out feet first.:p:D:p
It appears the OP has gone offline....so, I don't think our help is needed on this thread anymore.

BamaFan121s 01-26-2010 07:07 AM
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It appears the OP has gone offline....so, I don't think our help is needed on this thread anymore.
Looks like you're right, so I guess I can quit hanging out on this thread and hitting "refresh" now. :p Hopefully she will come back with an update after mom is done, pups are fed and happy and the female is resting. :)

Mom2TwoYorkies 01-26-2010 07:44 AM
I was lurking (as usual) :p and I was waiting to see whether it was a actual breech or a posterior birth . . .and the green that came out prior to the birth doesn't that usually mean trouble? I've always thought that green discharge or any kind of blood prior to a pup being pushed out was a bad thing. Does that usually require an immediate vet visit? How long do you actually have if those things present themselves?

Mardelin 01-26-2010 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mom2TwoYorkies (Post 2972663)
I was lurking (as usual) :p and I was waiting to see whether it was a actual breech or a posterior birth . . .and the green that came out prior to the birth doesn't that usually mean trouble? I've always thought that green discharge or any kind of blood prior to a pup being pushed out was a bad thing. Does that usually require an immediate vet visit? How long do you actually have if those things present themselves?
You are right about the green discharge prior to a pup being whelped, usually a sign of premature placential seperation and can mean trouble. Not always requiring a vet thing, but this girl had been pushing for over an hour, which could have been a sign of several things; the pup being hung up. And there is the possibility of one of the remaining pups is in distress. I posted some Complications on a previous post.....

YorkieRose 01-26-2010 09:43 AM
The green discharge was apparent AFTER the birth of the first pup..this breech pup was the second...in this case it would be normal and not worry me.
A green discharge before any pups have been born is a worry.. most often it means there is a plancenta separation. There is green that is decomposing blood from the whelping..perfectly normal..and infection can be green in color...odor is a factor also..takes a bit of experince to know when it is serious and when it is normal. Best wishes...

ddj2 01-26-2010 09:49 AM
Finally getting back Abby did push the big bugger out. He was 7.1 oz. and within a few min out popped the next one. She rested for a while and just finished with the last. Though will be taking to the vet for a shot as she didn't deliver the last placenta. Thank you for all you help and concern. Glad that everything worked out. All of the puppies were big. 6.4, 7.1, 6.0 and 7.0 oz. Think this will be her last litter. All puppies are doing fine. Will keep you posted.

ddj2 01-26-2010 09:54 AM
Oh just wanted to clairfy, He was delivered feet first, but have always thought that was breach, but guess breach is when it is but first?


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