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Brooklynn 12-16-2009 02:09 PM
I won't have to worry about a lawyer LOL....mine will be spayed/neutered before they ever leave my house :)

Donna

tegamom1 12-16-2009 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 2918832)
What you don't seem to understand is that for most us, yorkies are a HUGE part of our lives. We place their well being first, even when that means annoying those that don't like our questions. And actually, I do have much better things to be doing but irresponsible people like you are keeping me from it!
You said it! :thumbup: :thumbup:

livingdustmops 12-16-2009 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 2918855)
Hey, what did I do? :p:D:p Never mind, you made me laugh and I needed that right now. :D
HaHa..it started with #36 and the Nobel Peace Prize...and because I am not a responsible adult I had to blame it on someone else and I picked you because you have Maddox and he brings smiles to your face just thinking about him....:D:p:D

BonBon 12-16-2009 02:15 PM
This is interesting....I just got a pm from WenK and I now have another question for you terrific breeders.

She says that "the AKC policy on limited registration does not say anything about a spay-neuter clause." And "If this lady doesn't have a spay-neuter clause then it is her right to choose to breed her dogs if she wants to."

Do you agree? Is it her right, or is she just abusing the trust the breeder placed in her?

jamiee 12-16-2009 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2918834)
It's not a know it all opinion.....it's how responsible reputable breeders conduct themselves.......

Immature? By putting your dogs welfare upfront.......mmmmm immature because of concerns for the dogs....well then I gues I am immature, and I'll were the title proudly.

Mardelin...I'm sure you are a wonderful breeder. I will say this again...I am not a breeder. I happen to have 2 pets that I consider my children and they had a litter. I am trying to find these puppies the best homes I can find. I'm not quite sure how you think I am putting my dogs' welfare upfront.
The breeder did not have a contract when I bought my dog, therefore, I am not breaching anything. The immaturity sets in when you all gang up on the new person by acting like everyone should know what you, as a breeder knows. That is absurd.
All of you should go to the AKC website and read about limited registration. The first sentence states exactly what I originally said...that since my boy has limited registration, his offspring can not be registered. I never had a contract so why would I be doing something wrong here??

Mardelin 12-16-2009 02:19 PM
Never really had to worry about one either, everyone I've sold a dog to has been in close proximity to me, I see most of them since I groom them. Even when I come back into Dallas the ones I've placed there, come to Lee's for me to groom or see.

WinstonMom 12-16-2009 02:19 PM
It is possible that your contracts are legal and enforceable even if they were not done by a lawyer. I don't know if your laws are different than ours (I am in Canada) but there was an article in the Canadian Kennel Club magazine last year stating that any and all of our personal contracts were legal, even if not done by a lawyer. I haven't as of yet but will be adding a fine ($5000) for breach of any of my contract as the CKC says we can do that. We cannot just seize our dogs, we have to buy them back, but can state the price of one dollar for taking the dog back.

Audrey

Mardelin 12-16-2009 02:24 PM
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Originally Posted by jamiee (Post 2918869)
Mardelin...I'm sure you are a wonderful breeder. I will say this again...I am not a breeder. I happen to have 2 pets that I consider my children and they had a litter. I am trying to find these puppies the best homes I can find. I'm not quite sure how you think I am putting my dogs' welfare upfront.
The breeder did not have a contract when I bought my dog, therefore, I am not breaching anything. The immaturity sets in when you all gang up on the new person by acting like everyone should know what you, as a breeder knows. That is absurd.
All of you should go to the AKC website and read about limited registration. The first sentence states exactly what I originally said...that since my boy has limited registration, his offspring can not be registered. I never had a contract so why would I be doing something wrong here??
I'm aware of the AKC rule. But, limited registration has it's unspoken rule amongst reputable breeders of spay/nueter. I knew that years ago when I purchased my first yorkie as pet only....no contact....but, the registration had the limited box blocked in......

Now that being said, if your boy was bred unintentionally, (and I don't know what your plans are) but, the ethical thing to do is to place the pups, not sell them. And the sire should have been nuetered, that would have been putting his welfare upfront as well as the dams.

BonBon 12-16-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by livingdustmops (Post 2918864)
HaHa..it started with #36 and the Nobel Peace Prize...and because I am not a responsible adult I had to blame it on someone else and I picked you because you have Maddox and he brings smiles to your face just thinking about him....:D:p:D
Well, I can't argue with any of that! :D

Wait, I wanna be irresponsible too! It's seems so like so much less stress. :p

jackson25 12-16-2009 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2918883)
I'm aware of the AKC rule. But, limited registration has it's unspoken rule amongst reputable breeders of spay/nueter. I knew that years ago when I purchased my first yorkie as pet only....no contact....but, the registration had the limited box blocked in......

Now that being said, if your boy was bred unintentionally, (and I don't know what your plans are) but, the ethical thing to do is to place the pups, not sell them.
:thumbup::thumbup:Well said responce!

jackson25 12-16-2009 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 2918884)
well, i can't argue with any of that! :d

wait, i wanna be irresponsible too! It's seems so like so much less stress. :p
Me too!!!

Mardelin 12-16-2009 02:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by WinstonMom (Post 2918874)
It is possible that your contracts are legal and enforceable even if they were not done by a lawyer. I don't know if your laws are different than ours (I am in Canada) but there was an article in the Canadian Kennel Club magazine last year stating that any and all of our personal contracts were legal, even if not done by a lawyer. I haven't as of yet but will be adding a fine ($5000) for breach of any of my contract as the CKC says we can do that. We cannot just seize our dogs, we have to buy them back, but can state the price of one dollar for taking the dog back.

Audrey
I know of several breeders in Canada that do have the $5,000 breach of contract in their contracts.....I'm seriously thinking of adding it to mine. It is my understanding that contracts are legal and binding if both signatures are on them; the buyer and the seller.

BonBon 12-16-2009 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jamiee (Post 2918869)
Mardelin...I'm sure you are a wonderful breeder. I will say this again...I am not a breeder. I happen to have 2 pets that I consider my children and they had a litter. I am trying to find these puppies the best homes I can find. I'm not quite sure how you think I am putting my dogs' welfare upfront.
The breeder did not have a contract when I bought my dog, therefore, I am not breaching anything. The immaturity sets in when you all gang up on the new person by acting like everyone should know what you, as a breeder knows. That is absurd.
All of you should go to the AKC website and read about limited registration. The first sentence states exactly what I originally said...that since my boy has limited registration, his offspring can not be registered. I never had a contract so why would I be doing something wrong here??
Have you had both pets for all 6 years? Is this their first litter? It sounds like you're very knowledgeable about what the AKC allows. Are you saying you didn't know any of this before?

jackson25 12-16-2009 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by bonbon (Post 2918892)
Have you had both pets for all 6 years? Is this their first litter? It sounds like you're very knowledgeable about what the AKC allows. Are you saying you didn't know any of this before?
Interesting? She has done her homework, somewhat!;)

WinstonMom 12-16-2009 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2918890)
I know of several breeders in Canada that do have the $5,000 breach of contract in their contracts.....I'm seriously thinking of adding it to mine. It is my understanding that contracts are legal and binding if both signatures are on them; the buyer and the seller.
It might make people think a little bit before they try to pull the wool over your eyes and do something stupid.


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