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Mardelin 11-05-2009 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Gracie1964 (Post 2868702)
I to have read the studies and understand the concerns herein.
However the studies are not complete and medical protocol at this point.
The protocol varies from study to study, Vet. to Vet. and Breeder to
Breeder. My vaccination protocol is what I am comfortable with as is
my Vet. I am very open to change of protocol when indeed the studies
prove to be complete and effective. I have seen many many times the
effects of under or no vaccinations. In 19 years I have had two cases
of reaction to vaccinations in my own litters. I am very much in contact
with my Clients from 19 years to current and as of yet have not had
any long term problems (Thankfully). We do not use lepto, or corona,
in our vaccines. I don't like to use either until the pups are at least
6 months. I have contacted Fort Dodge through out the years and
follow their recommendation, combined with that of my Veterinarian.
I do agree with many points that have been brought up in this discussion,
and I am sure in time my protocol will change. I try to stay educated on
all the latest studies concerning Yorkshire Terriers and I am always
open minded and continue learning.
Vaccination protocal as well as Canine Nutrition evolves as with everything else concerning medicine. However, Dr Dodd's Vaccination Protocal is what is being taught in Vet Schools throughout the country.

Lepto is something that should only be administered with caution and dependent on the region one lives in, and very detrimental to yorkie pups. Corona virus vaccine, there is different strains of Corona, so the vaccine is totally unnecessary past the age of 7 months of age.

Fort Dodge is a manufacter I personally would stay away from anyway. I've had too many friends in the breeder/exhibitor world that have used with horrible outcome....their pups contracting the diseases, through the vaccine.

Sookie 11-05-2009 09:16 AM
I gave my puppies their shots myself. In this case I gave the 5-way at 9 weeks and 12 weeks and will do again at 15 weeks. I started a little later than I would have normally because they were so tiny and I was being extra cautious. Neither one of them had a reaction.

Since I will be taking them out often, I plan on giving the Bordatella at 18 and 21 weeks. I'm doing the injectable not the nasal.

Both puppies were taken to the Vet for a full exam at 8 weeks.

Mardelin 11-05-2009 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Sookie (Post 2868722)
I gave my puppies their shots myself. In this case I gave the 5-way at 9 weeks and 12 weeks and will do again at 15 weeks. I started a little later than I would have normally because they were so tiny and I was being extra cautious. Neither one of them had a reaction.

Since I will be taking them out often, I plan on giving the Bordatella at 18 and 21 weeks. I'm doing the injectable not the nasal.

Both puppies were taken to the Vet for a full exam at 8 weeks.
Good girl....but, I might suggest you holding off on that 3rd one until 16 weeks....

I do the Nasal Intra Trac III between 8 and 9 weeks.....

Sookie 11-05-2009 09:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2868729)
Good girl....but, I might suggest you holding off on that 3rd one until 16 weeks....

I do the Nasal Intra Trac III between 8 and 9 weeks.....
I can hold off until 16 weeks but I'm curious why? Do you think every 3 weeks is too much for them? I appreciate your opinion especially since this is the first time I've done the shots myself. :)

I was thinking I should hold off on the Bordatella until they've had a few weeks to adjust to the last 5-way shot. I already have the injectable on hand. When should I give them the first shot? 19 weeks?

Mardelin 11-05-2009 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Sookie (Post 2868736)
I can hold off until 16 weeks but I'm curious why? Do you think every 3 weeks is too much for them? I appreciate your opinion especially since this is the first time I've done the shots myself. :)

I was thinking I should hold off on the Bordatella until they've had a few weeks to adjust to the last 5-way shot. I already have the injectable on hand. When should I give them the first shot? 19 weeks?
In order for the vaccinations to have maximum affectiveness. It is recommended to give the 3rd at 16 weeks of age. Ok to give the 1st and 2nd 3 weeks apart.

I've usually given the Intra Trac III Nasal, with their first vaccination. I've never used the Injectable, but you're right not to give it during the same week as their other vaccinations.

starstella92 11-06-2009 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Love_Capone (Post 2864395)
Thanks guys, I needed that advice. The pups are taken to the vet several times for check ups and exams. Her prices do reflect the savings saved from shots. I didn't know if this was a common practice or not. She says the vets in her area, start at 3 weeks, wonder if I bought another puppy if she could possibly wait until later. Anybody else have an opinion?
Could she mean that they started on dewormer as early as three weeks? That is normal, but certainly not that actual vaccinations.

Love_Capone 11-06-2009 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by starstella92 (Post 2870288)
Could she mean that they started on dewormer as early as three weeks? That is normal, but certainly not that actual vaccinations.
I need to recheck the paperwork and see what it says, but I remember my vet wanted to re-do most of the shots.

JeanieK 11-06-2009 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2864181)
I give my pups their vaccinations and follow Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocal, which my vet does too. However, are taken in twice for thorough vet checks, hip and knee x-rays and blood panels, etc.......

There are vets that do not accept vaccination records and re-vaccinate do so for the primary reason of revenue. The only required vaccination is rabie vaccine, which breeders are not allowed to give.

Three weeks is way too young to begin the vaccination process.....even instructions from the manufactorer states to begin at 6 weeks, which suppresses mother's immunities.
Yes I agree to that, and re-vaccinating is not good. Too much vaccination is not good.

So a vet that suggests re-vaccinating does not have the best interest of your puppy in mind.

However, vaccinating under 9 weeks of age does no good either.

From what I have read it does not suppress the mothers immunity, it is the opposite. The mothers immunity suppress the vaccination and so it is therefor useless. Which is why Dr Dodd suggests not starting til 9 weeks.

When I posted about the "revenue" on another thread I was "flamed" unmericifully, for even suggesting such a thing.

bjh 11-06-2009 09:49 AM
My recommendation to anyone who buys a pup that has been vaccinated by the breeder is that they take the pup to a vet that does titer testing. There is no way I would allow a vet to just start over with the vaccinations without doing a titer test first.

Gracie1964 11-06-2009 10:35 AM
I am learning a lot about vaccinations and the different opinions on this subject.

Love_Capone 11-06-2009 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2870414)
My recommendation to anyone who buys a pup that has been vaccinated by the breeder is that they take the pup to a vet that does titer testing. There is no way I would allow a vet to just start over with the vaccinations without doing a titer test first.
I have since switched vets, I had no clue at the time when I first got my puppy about over vaccinating or anything like that. They did say the same thing that Mardelin said about it not being effective. I didn't even know you could do a titer test. Thanks for all the advice.

Mardelin 11-06-2009 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Gracie1964 (Post 2870486)
I am learning a lot about vaccinations and the different opinions on this subject.
Evidently the post you posted after this one got deleted, however, on the subject matter I completely agree with you. The post you were referring to did honestly offend me and I'm sure others.

Vaccinations are a minimal expense, but when your concern is taking these pups into a Vet's office and exposing them to who knows what, I'd rather do it myself. My vet completely agrees with my practice. He knows that I'll be bringing the pups in for vet checks and I don't mean listen to the heart, look in the ears, check the mouth exam.....a thorough exam. Another reason I prefer to give my own injections is the possibility of a show dog....I don't want my pups to be afraid of a table, so nothing distasteful should be done on an exam table.....no shots, no taking the temp, no clipping nails.....all which are done this way at a vets office.

chattiesmom 11-06-2009 12:32 PM
Fantastic post!
 
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Originally Posted by bjh (Post 2868450)
WOW, what full vaccination do you give? My personal opinion is that you are over vaccinating your pups. The new vaccination protocol recommends that vaccinations should not be started until the pups are at least 8 weeks old and it says vaccinations should be 3 to 4 week apart. You are right in that it is each breeder preference but I will always speak out against over vaccinating. The attached link will explain the concerns of vaccinating too young.
Critter Advocacy
I couldn't agree with you more.

011011 11-06-2009 12:33 PM
I give my own shots and my vet will mark it down in the health record that we give to the new owners..
I have been with my vet for 26 years he knows I give them and what they are. They are also stored properly in the fridge
My pups also get a few checks by Jerry and a well exam before shots are even given.
I have never had any vet repeat the shots I have given if anything they will give the last puppy shot.

flafox67 11-06-2009 12:34 PM
Wow, I want your vet. I just paid $250 for 2 to have their annual checkup and shots.


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