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Need advice from breeders I don't know if this is the right place to post because I am not a breeder, but I need advice from breeders. How do you feel about breeders that give the pups shots themselves? I received a shot schedule from the breeder but not an official shot record that only vets can give. I ended up having to have him revaccinated because I needed records and because my vet thought he had been given shots too early at 3 weeks and they probably wouldn't have been effective. Is it ok for breeders to administer the shots themselves? I'm thinking about getting another yorkie and wondering if I should look into different breeder, if this isn't a common practice. Do any of you do this? Thanks in advance for the advice. |
I know alot of breeders give shots. I have thought about it but never have. I know my vet doesn't like when shots are gave by breeders. He says you never know if they have been keep cold. I am lucky though my vet only charged me a little over $100 to have 6 adults checked and boosters. I like to have my pups checked out anyway and he charges so little for the shots I am better off to let him do it at this point. If I had my eye on a puppy it wouldn't be the deciding factor if they gave their own shots if they where done on schedule... 3 weeks is too young though... |
I have done the same thing with my puppies. They went to the vet for a thorough exam, shots and worming. Then I could give the entire puppy medical history to the new owner when the puppy was sold, and their vet would have a record of everything done, and a vet to call if any quesitons. |
I give my pups their vaccinations and follow Dr. Dodd's vaccination protocal, which my vet does too. However, are taken in twice for thorough vet checks, hip and knee x-rays and blood panels, etc....... There are vets that do not accept vaccination records and re-vaccinate do so for the primary reason of revenue. The only required vaccination is rabie vaccine, which breeders are not allowed to give. Three weeks is way too young to begin the vaccination process.....even instructions from the manufactorer states to begin at 6 weeks, which suppresses mother's immunities. |
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Thanks guys, I needed that advice. The pups are taken to the vet several times for check ups and exams. Her prices do reflect the savings saved from shots. I didn't know if this was a common practice or not. She says the vets in her area, start at 3 weeks, wonder if I bought another puppy if she could possibly wait until later. Anybody else have an opinion? |
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And you are more than likely will have to repeat them. Make sure that she is doing hip and knee x-rays and blood panels.....Most vets will only go over a pup but, not do certain procedures unless the breeder requests them. I do personnally know a YTCA breeder/exhibitor/handler in Del City...........not far from you and their vet follows Dr Dodd's Vaccination Protocal.....which is taught at Vet schools. |
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Vaccinations I own a kennel in Tennessee and we do give our own vaccinations. We do however have all our Pups vet. checked prior to going to their new Parents. We use Fort Dodge Vaccines shipped over night on dry ice. The one way to know if a breeder is giving the vaccinations is that each shot comes with a peal sticker to adhere to the records. I work very closely with our vet. at all times. I was a Vet. Hosp. Admin. for several years and our office knew who the good, respected breeders were in our area, and the ones who were terrible. I just prefer not to take my Babies to the Vet. office (although very clean) until they have protection via vaccinations. We vaccinate at week 4 with neo-par for parvo only, and the full vaccinations at weeks 6,8,10,12,14 weeks. It's really each breeders preference. But good breeders can do it right, under the guidance of a good Vet. Good Luck, and Yorkies are like chips you can't have just one::aimeeyork |
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Your opinion of over vaccinating is not only yours......It's also the opinion of Vet hospitals and a lot of vets.....Over vaccinating can lead to multitude of problems, especially autoimmune diseases, kidney, liver, blood and some nuerological disorders. In addition beginning the process at such a young age acutually suppresses the mother's immunities that pups obtain via mother's milk in the first 24 hours of their little lifes. What some people don't realize is that vaccinations do not guarantee that your pup will not contract these diseases. There is also a group of concerned breeders, owners, in conjuction with vets are backing and funding studies to fight for 7 year rabies vaccine. |
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Vaccinations I to have read the studies and understand the concerns herein. However the studies are not complete and medical protocol at this point. The protocol varies from study to study, Vet. to Vet. and Breeder to Breeder. My vaccination protocol is what I am comfortable with as is my Vet. I am very open to change of protocol when indeed the studies prove to be complete and effective. I have seen many many times the effects of under or no vaccinations. In 19 years I have had two cases of reaction to vaccinations in my own litters. I am very much in contact with my Clients from 19 years to current and as of yet have not had any long term problems (Thankfully). We do not use lepto, or corona, in our vaccines. I don't like to use either until the pups are at least 6 months. I have contacted Fort Dodge through out the years and follow their recommendation, combined with that of my Veterinarian. I do agree with many points that have been brought up in this discussion, and I am sure in time my protocol will change. I try to stay educated on all the latest studies concerning Yorkshire Terriers and I am always open minded and continue learning. |
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Lepto is something that should only be administered with caution and dependent on the region one lives in, and very detrimental to yorkie pups. Corona virus vaccine, there is different strains of Corona, so the vaccine is totally unnecessary past the age of 7 months of age. Fort Dodge is a manufacter I personally would stay away from anyway. I've had too many friends in the breeder/exhibitor world that have used with horrible outcome....their pups contracting the diseases, through the vaccine. |
I gave my puppies their shots myself. In this case I gave the 5-way at 9 weeks and 12 weeks and will do again at 15 weeks. I started a little later than I would have normally because they were so tiny and I was being extra cautious. Neither one of them had a reaction. Since I will be taking them out often, I plan on giving the Bordatella at 18 and 21 weeks. I'm doing the injectable not the nasal. Both puppies were taken to the Vet for a full exam at 8 weeks. |
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I do the Nasal Intra Trac III between 8 and 9 weeks..... |
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I was thinking I should hold off on the Bordatella until they've had a few weeks to adjust to the last 5-way shot. I already have the injectable on hand. When should I give them the first shot? 19 weeks? |
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I've usually given the Intra Trac III Nasal, with their first vaccination. I've never used the Injectable, but you're right not to give it during the same week as their other vaccinations. |
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So a vet that suggests re-vaccinating does not have the best interest of your puppy in mind. However, vaccinating under 9 weeks of age does no good either. From what I have read it does not suppress the mothers immunity, it is the opposite. The mothers immunity suppress the vaccination and so it is therefor useless. Which is why Dr Dodd suggests not starting til 9 weeks. When I posted about the "revenue" on another thread I was "flamed" unmericifully, for even suggesting such a thing. |
My recommendation to anyone who buys a pup that has been vaccinated by the breeder is that they take the pup to a vet that does titer testing. There is no way I would allow a vet to just start over with the vaccinations without doing a titer test first. |
I am learning a lot about vaccinations and the different opinions on this subject. |
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Vaccinations are a minimal expense, but when your concern is taking these pups into a Vet's office and exposing them to who knows what, I'd rather do it myself. My vet completely agrees with my practice. He knows that I'll be bringing the pups in for vet checks and I don't mean listen to the heart, look in the ears, check the mouth exam.....a thorough exam. Another reason I prefer to give my own injections is the possibility of a show dog....I don't want my pups to be afraid of a table, so nothing distasteful should be done on an exam table.....no shots, no taking the temp, no clipping nails.....all which are done this way at a vets office. |
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I give my own shots and my vet will mark it down in the health record that we give to the new owners.. I have been with my vet for 26 years he knows I give them and what they are. They are also stored properly in the fridge My pups also get a few checks by Jerry and a well exam before shots are even given. I have never had any vet repeat the shots I have given if anything they will give the last puppy shot. |
Wow, I want your vet. I just paid $250 for 2 to have their annual checkup and shots. |
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