I did not and will not use a companion ( pet quality ) dog at stud . Most of the peoples I know were responsibles enough to have them neuter . Having a cute pup or dog don't mean that he or she have to be bred .

Do you have pictures of your Yorkie ?

What are the lines on the pedigrees ?

Gazou have Rothby , Caraneal , Jentre etc etc

I have lived with several intact dogs in my lifetime and I have lots of experience in training them. My current dogs were intact for many months before they were neutered so I DO HAVE EXPERIENCE living with and training intact dogs.

So what you are saying Kimberly is that it is okay for you to have a stud dog who are your companions but no one else should do it? I think if a person is aware of the drawbacks and negatives they can make those decisions for themselves as all of the breeders here have. You, txshopper73 and Yorkiesmom1970 have decided you can handle the drawbacks and you have intact males...while gazou has decided it is not for her.

My current vet does not belive in neutering or spaying as a matter of course if you are not going to breed. He feels it is irresponsible in fact to alter a dog unless there is a valid reason to do it. He feels that dogs should be "left with all their Parts" unless there is a good reason (not just human convenience) for removing any parts. Surgery is risky and painful and I will seriously consider not neutering my next male. I have decided at this point that, unless a valid reason arises that makes it in their best interest, I will not spay my females although they will never be bred.

I have read all the research about increased risks of mammary cancer and uterine disease and I agree with my vet. That risk is not outweighhed by the risk of surgery. My girls are tiny, they are with me 24/7, they wear panties when they are in heat and I can protect them from getting pregnant. I can put up with the personality and hormone issues as I would prefer not to have them go thorugh an unnecessary surgical procedure.

Do you own any males or do you use only outside studs?

Are you saying it is irresponsible not to have a pet neutered, because there are some vets who feel it is irresponsible to neuter unless there is a valid reason that is in the best interests of the dog? Surgery is risky and the so-called health benefits of neutering are in no way proven to outweigh the risk of the surgery and the pain the animal must endure.

Obviously, irresponsible owners who cannot contain and control the dog should have them altered, but as long as unwanted pregnancies can be prevented and the dog is not overly aggressive, and absent some other compelling reason, it is perfectly okay to leave a dog unaltered imo.

Juat another viewpoint to consider.

i dont think that's what our member asking the question was getting at. and i'm so glad that we humans don't practice the art of only breeding show quality. if so only super models and actors would ever be allowed to have children.

your lines do sound impressive. however our member asking the questions probably doesnt have that and she just wants to know how to go about breeding her boy if she chooses. as long as she goes about it responsibly, i don't see what anything else should matter.

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i dont think that's what our member asking the question was getting at. and i'm so glad that we humans don't practice the art of only breeding show quality. if so only super models and actors would ever be allowed to have children.

your lines do sound impressive. however our member asking the questions probably doesnt have that and she just wants to know how to go about breeding her boy if she chooses. as long as she goes about it responsibly, i don't see what anything else should matter.

pros and cons
 

ok this was a current article in ease to understand the results either way!
Kim your vet is the exception not the rule!!!!

read on

It’s time to start thinking about spaying or neutering your dog. But, you are not quite sure if it is the right thing to do. If you’re wondering whether you should just leave your dog as nature intended, consider the positive and negative aspects of spaying and neutering before making your decision.

Spaying – The Positive Side


Spaying removes the risk of pregnancy.

Pet overpopulation is a serious issue and by allowing your dog to have litters, you are adding to the problem. Finding homes for your new family additions is not as easy as you may think. Even if you choose to keep the puppies, you now have the additional cost of vaccines, parasite control, toys and food for several pets. In addition to costs, the health of the mother can be in jeopardy during delivery. Some new mothers can have serious complications delivering puppies and can even develop health problems during nursing. All these potential problems can be avoided by spaying your dog.


Spaying makes for a cleaner, calmer dog.

Without the drive to mate, your dog may be quieter and not prone to an incessant need to seek out a mate. The spayed dog no longer attracts males and their annoying advances and serenades. Dogs won’t have a bloody discharge for several days while they are in heat. Without proper protective products, the discharge can stain sofas, bedding and carpets. Spayed pets are also easier to get along with. They tend to be more gentle and affectionate.


Spaying keeps your dog healthier.

A final positive aspect of spaying your dog is that spayed pets tend to have fewer health problems. Spaying is the removal of the ovaries and uterus. Without these organs, ovarian cysts, uterine infections and cancer of the reproductive tract are no longer a concern. Studies have shown that dogs spayed before puberty have a significantly lower chance of developing breast cancer than unspayed dogs or dogs spayed later in life.

Spaying – The Negative Side


Spaying means sterilization.

Spaying will result in the sterilization of your dog, and she will no longer have the ability to become pregnant. If you wish to breed your dog, spaying should not be done.


Spaying may cause weight gain.

Some pets may gain weight after spaying. Unspayed animals typically have a strong mating desire and can expend a lot of energy seeking a mate and reproducing. Without this energy burden, your dog may eat the same amount but not burn off as many calories. Cutting back on her food can help reduce the weight gain but it is still something to be concerned about.


Spaying makes some dogs less active.

Pets that have been spayed tend to be less active. If a more sedentary dog is not for you, spaying may not be the best option.

Neutering – The Positive Side


Neutering removes the risk of pregnancy.

Pet overpopulation is a serious issue and by allowing your dog to breed, you are adding to the problem. Although you may not own the female dog, and you are not burdened with finding homes for those new puppies, someone else is. Even if you accept your responsibility and choose to keep the puppies, you now have the additional cost of vaccines, parasite control, toys and food for several pets.


Neutering makes for a calmer dog.

Another positive aspect of neutering your dog is that neutering can result in a calmer, and sometimes cleaner, home. Without the drive to mate, your dog may be quieter and not prone to an incessant need to seek out a mate. The neutered dog no longer feels the need to seek out and serenade females. He no longer has the stress of needing to mark his territory and urinate throughout the house and yard. Neutered pets are also easier to get along with. They tend to more gentle and affectionate. Neutered males tend to roam less and typically are not involved in as many fights with other animals.


Neutering keeps your dog healthier.

A final positive aspect of neutering your dog is that neutered pets tend to have fewer health problems. Neutering is the removal of the testicles. Without these organs, testicular cancer is no longer a concern and the risk of prostate problems is reduced. For those people who would like to sterilize their dog but do not wish to alter his appearance, testicular implants are available.

Neutering – The Negative Side


Neutering is sterilization.

Neutering will result in the sterilization of your dog. He will no longer be able to reproduce, so if you intend to breed your animal, do not have him neutered.


Neutering changes his appearance.

Your dog will look different because his testicles will no longer be present. If the absence of these organs is a cosmetic problem for you, don’t have him neutered, or discuss testicular implants with your veterinarian.


Neutering may cause weight gain.

Some pets gain weight after neutering. Intact animals typically have a strong mating desire and can expend a lot of energy seeking a mate and reproducing. Without this energy burden, your dog may eat the same amount but not burn off as many calories. Cutting back on his food can help reduce the weight gain but it is still something to be concerned about.


Neutering will make him quiet.

Pets that have been neutered tend to be less active and calmer. If a more sedentary and peaceful dog is not for you, neutering may not be the best option

I never said I had any drawbacks in owning an intact male. Where does this come from? I said that Chester...who's over 2 years old...has only sprayed twice in my home. Once on the floor...when my friend brought her in-heat girl over who was tinkling ALL over my house and he only did it in one place...and a couple of days ago when he went in my lap. Other than these 2 isolated incidents, he's never done it. :confused:

To clarify...by "outside studs" I was referring to dogs outside your kennel program not dogs you keep outside. I think someone misunderstood. :rolleyes:

What I was referring to is that you have evaluated the pros and cons of owning intact males as pets and have decided the benefits outweighed the cons. It is great that Chester is the way he is but you had no way of knowing what he would be like when you got him as a puppy right?

you're right, but I think I raise my dogs a little different than others. I'll leave it at that. Paula also does not have a problem with her studs spraying in the house either. They know better...as do mine. Now, outside, they'll spray eachother...hehe...but not in the house.

Thank you...this makes my point that Kimberly was refuting earlier by saying that I didn't know what I was talking about because all my current dogs are neutered, and that is that you can train an intact dog to behave. it is hard but it is possible and it is up to the human to insist on good behavior.

I have been successful at this as have you and Paula.

What was the question

Hi, is there anyone here that will please answer these questions for me? Thanks all for your differences in opinion. I am glad we are all not 100% alike right? That would be scary!!! But one thing I have noticed in here, is that there seems to be alot of competition when it comes to breeding. I guess I feel like people get (whats the word I am looking for) defensive, offensive, scared? I dunno??? I asked a simple simple question, considering many of you in here know what you are doing, and while I don't, I am trying to find out what will be the best for me and mine, and trying to learn the pros and cons. I do have to agree that a good temperment is better than the "PERFECT" (so called) yorkie. And I would never risk putting a puppy in danger, or its mother. I am sure that all of us in here have been where I am at one point in time right? I mean, no its not all about how cute or cuddly my pup is, but I am sure we have or had entertained the thought of making some extra cash, right?


First impressions are everything....

I think you can train any male dog not to mark....is it easy ...not always.

I think you have right to explore breeding your male dog and you are doing your research so I think you will make the right choice.

Good luck! :thumbup:

yep, hold on tight girls. we will be shut down soon, lol. so let me get a last word in here before, as i keep having my threads disappear....this one's not my thread thank God, maybe it will stay...ha ha!!! anyway, some of us do great with intact males and some dont! its up to the individual person or breeder if they are willing to deal with it. chances are, they will mark if not neutered. this is from my experience as a young girl, age 5 or 6. my mom's males always marked. she had 4 at one time. neutering wasnt a big "thing" back then. 2 of her males were bred....the one's who never got the pleasure did it just as bad as them. maybe because of the others...i dont know. but they all did it. i've never had an intact male that didnt. whether he was neutered or not, bred or not...so.....we can either neuter, or rely on our cherished belly bands....kim, you have great info here and shouldnt be ridicouled...everyone has had great info here. and yes i know i cant spell girls!

[QUOTE=Toby's Human]Hi, is there anyone here that will please answer these questions for me? Thanks all for your differences in opinion. I am glad we are all not 100% alike right? That would be scary!!! But one thing I have noticed in here, is that there seems to be alot of competition when it comes to breeding. I guess I feel like people get (whats the word I am looking for) defensive, offensive, scared? I dunno??? I asked a simple simple question, considering many of you in here know what you are doing, and while I don't, I am trying to find out what will be the best for me and mine, and trying to learn the pros and cons. I do have to agree that a good temperment is better than the "PERFECT" (so called) yorkie. And I would never risk putting a puppy in danger, or its mother. I am sure that all of us in here have been where I am at one point in time right? I mean, no its not all about how cute or cuddly my pup is, but I am sure we have or had entertained the thought of making some extra cash, right?



you do have good intentions and your questions are good ones. however, making extra cash shouldnt be your main objective...yes, in time if you establish a knack and a passion for breeding, that may fall into place as i'm sure it has with any breeder on this forum who's been at it a while! but it shouldnt even be your first thought just starting out...i wish you the best and if you want any info without any drama, email me anytime.

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You can have a male who is used for stud and a companion all rolled into one..BUT most need to wear belly bands to protect your home. My males had to live separate from my females...because they were REAL stud dogs..they peed on everything including their own bedding, water bowls, eat other and the girls..that is what a well used stud does. They had their own area in my home...own play yard. AKC isn't happy with a breeder who lets males and females live together in groups.
BUT..my situation is very different then a person who only owns one male and has no females around.
I do not place males without neuter agreements (unless selling to a breeder) WHy..because 7 out of 10 times my boy is going become a nuiance to the owner with his marking.

I have tried to remain civil..BUT any vet who thinks it irresponsible to spay/neuter is giving the pet owner very foolish advise..and is just plain ignorant.

http://netscape.petplace.com/article...asp?artid=3376
please all forgive me for not posting the link giving the writer credit or the OPINION credibility.

When quoting someone elses opinion I most always post the link and credit the person whether I cut and paste or post the link, Kim I think that is my decision. If your looking at credibility in my post then I hope your curiosity is satisfied - Pros and Cons of Spaying and Neutering by: Dr. Dawn Ruben

you have to be the most voracious reader, poster and opinion giver of all time, you are so good at multitasking here.

I hope you can respect those of us who decide to let our dogs keep all their god given organs and not put them through the risk, trauma and pain of that surgery which we feel is unnecessary.

[QUOTE=yorkiemom1970] It wasn't my first thought, but when you put over 1000.00 into a breed that is perfect just for you, it is nice to know that there is a possibility that you might be able to breed him. Sorry if that wasn't apparent. I love Toby, I am happy with him, and it wouldn't bother me if he didn't breed with anyone, ever..... :)

Oh, Pat, I hope that I wasn't reading too much into your statement. Emotions are running a little high...but with this statement, it sounds like if a stud dog isn't bred very often it isn't considered a REAL stud dog??? Then what is it?

I guess I'll answer your question nicely Kim.

I'm here because I love reading what the breeders have to say. I rarely post in this section and don't offer advise but do read it everyday.

I also think... while it's great that your vet here has so much experience - he isn't the one posting here. From what I'm reading... a vet that is telling people NOT to neuter is not doing his job.... but that's a different debate. You using your vets views on certain issues may have a place on the forum somewhere.... but it just it's not the same as hearing from someone who is actually breeding dogs.

the other thing is you mentioned ethics ?

The only thing I see In MY OPINION that is unethical..... is you telling people to not spay/nueter their dogs.

[QUOTE=Toby's Human]I completely understand. You spend possibly thousands for the perfect one...that you can afford...and you want the possibility to breed...but that's just it. It's possible but not guaranteed.

I couldnt agree more :thumbup:

Your point is well taken and I was not questioning your credibility as I had read the article before. It is as you say your choice about posting the link as I explained later my comments about the length of the post were mostly in response to Villette's post complaining about how long some of mine are. LOL.

I really don't care how long posts are. I will decide whether to read thoroughly or skim depending on how much time I have an how interested I am in the subject matter.
Thank you for the compliment, I think...lol

OKAY...there you go again....misquoting me!!

I never told anyone not to spay/neuter their dog!! I would never be so rude as to try to make such a personal decision for someone! It is not my place. I am free, however to express my views on the subject as you are.

EXCUSE ME ? The above is DIRECTLY quoted from you - Are you saying this post isn't encouraging people to not spay or neuter ? What did I misquote here ? Do you KNOW how many people read this forum and may get the wrong signal by seeing this ?

Thanks Robbie...I feel the same about you.

None of those quotes is me telling people not to spay/neuter their dog!! That was my point and my protest over you misquoting me.

Give people some credit please.....some think it is irresponsible not to alter if you are not going to breed, I think it is irresponsible to alter as a matter of course....people are free to decide which is right for them and their dog...after all.. it is still a free country...(despite the current administration's efforts to make it otherwise) :eek:

Kimberly
 

Kimberly...no,no, no...I should have used the word "one of a group of males". these boys can be just awful, they are so macho with each other, peeing is their hobby...those can be the worst. If I could pick a stud it would be one like you have...believe me!!!