Selecting a Breeder
 

Ok so I need some help from some breeders please. My yorkie poo had puppies and I plan to keep one (I breed her back yorkie). The Mom (CKC) is 9.5 lbs and the Dad (AKC) is 2.5 lbs. I want to keep one of the females for future breeding. now I am torn I have attached myself to each of the puppies in different ways and lthis is a very hard decision. I am going to show pics of them seperately and give a brief description and I would like some feed back if possible. My purpose in breeding is of course to better the line (I know they will never be full yorkie) and this is why I am asking for input. I have several people interested and wanted to be able to let them begin to bond with their puppy so I feel like I should make my choice.


Puppy A: Is black with dark tan (almost red) she weighs 2 lbs 12 oz
the second pic of her is not the best lighting but I wanted to
show the wavy hair PUPPY A IS 1ST 2 PICS

Puppy B: Is the runt and has a beautiful baby doll face she is 2 lbs 5 oz

Oh I guess I should mention they are 6 1/2 weeks old.

PUPPY C: is so adorable she just has a different look than the others. Her back paws are white (Daddy is a Parti Carrier)

sorry pics didn't show up the first time

Hi, cute pups by the way. I don't understand your question. Selecting a breeder, are you asking which would make a good potential breeder?

Oh nevermind, you said you want one for future breeding. Can I ask why you are continuing breeding this line? They're not purebred, so you're not bettering the breed and second do you know both lines of the parents? Sorry, I'm not trying to bash you or start anything. Just curious as to why you want to breed one of the pups. If I can go back and check, was this litter a planned breeding or accidental?

Only since you asked I will give an honest opinion. They are cute pups but NONE of them should be bred. They are mixed puppies, look like mixed puppies, are large for their age, are not good examples of the standard, and I am not at all understanding why you would say your "purpose in breeding is of course to better the line." I do not see that at all.

If you want to better a line, you need to start with purebred dogs with thoroughly researched histories, good health history on both sides, both AKC, both good representatives of the standard, not over 7 pounds, then make sure to have the vet test them for genetic problems and physical features, then have them evaluated by a couple of well-experienced breeders who also show or have shown their Yorkies. All this should be after you have spent a couple of years researching, studying, and hopefully finding a breeder willing to mentor you.

Do yourself and the breed a favor, spay your Yorkiepoo and do not keep any of the pups with making them a "breeder" in mind. I say this not to be harsh, but to be honest about what breeding should be about. Too many see their own cute puppy and think it is breeding quality when they are not at all.

what did you plan on breeding your future yorkiepoo breeder to? these puppies are what? 75%yorkie and 25% poo, or are there more dilutions in the lines?

what "line" are you trying to better? i don't understand:confused:

This was a planned pregnancy. I don't necessarily want to better the breed, but I want to better the line (if that makes any sense). I might catch some flack on this but I am new to breeding and this is something that I really wanted to do. Eventually I want to purchase a purebred yorkie (for a pet) but at this time I cannot. I am not trying to become a byb and make an astronomical amount on these puppies. all of my puppies are being sold to people with a disability and I am offering them at a 3rd of the cost of the going rate in my area ($250 basically recovering my cost). I guess I can sum it up by saying this is a learning experience and a chance to provide a child or adult with a disability the puppy they always wanted at a lower cost . To be honest when Emma had her litter I wanted a puppy. I always dreamed of owning a yorkie but could not afford it (I am disabled and raising 2 boys) The first person to contact me about purchasing a pup was a 9 year old girl who was in a coma from meningitis, she suffers from panic attacks and numerous other problems. She comes to see the puppies at least twice a week and wow just to know that I can make her dream come true is very humbling. So I decided that this was the path I was going to take.

Yes the puppies are 75% yorkie and 25% poo, there are no other dilutions in the lines and if I am to breed them it would be to a yorkie.

You are breeding mixed breed puppies. 75%, 25%, 50, 10......makes no difference! Spay and neuter!

It does not matter who you sell to. I know saying you sold to a girl in a coma? and all disabled folks makes it sound magnanimous but it still does not make it right. (How many have you sold btw? You say all of your puppies are being sold to people with a disability. You are asking about keeping at least one of the 2 females you pictured. How many disabled people contacted you? How many puppies did your girl have?)

You are basically saying upfront that you want a purebred but cannot afford it right now, so you are breeding mixed breed dogs that look close to yorkies. Then you are planning on keeping one of the mixed puppies to breed too. Are you going to make a continued business of selling mixed breed dogs? What about the ones you are selling to the disabled people? Are they going to breed them? Then their puppies get bred, and on and on and look how many mixed breed dogs you could quickly be responsible for all because you cannot afford a purebred Yorkie? Many of those will probably wind up sending in pictures and getting papers at the off-the-wall registries like CKC (continental kennel club) and then they will sell to some unsuspecting person as a purebred and that person will wonder why her puppy grows up not looking like a Yorkie. Worse, she breeds it and the puppies look like the poo in yorkiepoo instead of the yorkie she thought she had! For not trying to be a byb, you have done a good job of it anyway. Being a byb does not hinge on how much you sell your puppies for, it hinges on your practices.

I know there are some areas where this sort of thing goes on more than others. It does not make it right. If you really want to breed, you need to research and do it right. Breeding yorkies is a huge responsibility and it should not be taken lightly.

Please spay and neuter! Keep the puppies with their mother until at least 12 weeks old, or better yet, keep them until you can safely spay and neuter them before selling so others do not breed them. The only way to stop this sort of thing, is to speak up against it. I am sorry you got into this situation thinking it was okay. Please reconsider what you have started.

I am sort of looking around & over my shoulder here, thinking maybe this is a "Candid Camera" situation. Not too many people come to a place like YT, admit what you have been doing and then ask for advice on keeping one of the pups to continue the bad breeding practices. I keep expecting to hear a warning beep along with, "This is a test, just a test, should this have been an actual breeding, you would have been instructed to ........"

OYVEY DOS MIO! I can't believe someone wants to breed to better mixed lines........how in the world can you do that? Someone with disabilities should go to the shelter and rescue one because they need a loving home and I don't think mixed breed yorkies are the way to go in breeding...you risk of running into health issues selling to someone with disabilites of the possibilites having health issues in the pet you are selling and what if the dog gets liver shunt, LP ect... do you really think they can afford the vet bills and the hurt and pain of possibly losing their beloved pet because of unethical breeding practices...I would truly rethink what you are doing...mixing breeds causes health issues from both breeds and enhancing that risk...why would you want to put someone with disablities in that position again OYVEY DOS MIO!!

Donna Bird

You can find mix breeds in the pound for under well under $100.00, adopting one of these dogs will save their life. Rescues also have lots of mixed and purebreds, and prices are very reasonable, the dogs often have been neutered and trained as well. The recession has affected the price of dogs, yet vet prices are still very costly, and if you can't afford unexpected health care for your litter it might be best to wait until you have some money saved. Experienced breeders, understand you can not know if a dog is worth breeding until close to a year, and some will hold back a prospect to see if it has potential.

Ok I just want to thank you for 100% attacking me. I thought that people came in here to ask questions and learn. I am very receptive to other peoples views and yes you make some very good points and definitely gave me some things to think about, but I can't help but feel as though you have slapped me in the face and screamed stupid.

As far as people attacking you, what did you expect coming on here for advice about "bettering the breed" of a mixed dog. I agree with others. None of them should be bred. The majority of us on here do not own nor breed so-called "designer dogs" or in other words, mixed breeds

Spay and nueter these dogs. If you have homes for them great, but don't continue to add to those mixed breeds that are already in shelters. You say you don't want to be a backyard breeder, but in essence you already have, you've done it once and plan to do it again with offspring.

I have inherited a maltipoo......she's spayed and my grandsons pet. Cute as a button and was adorable as a pup, but then they all are. However, does have temperament problems and we've worked hard on them. You are taking a chance by breeding indiscrimenately that these pups may have inherited the best and worse of both worlds.

Question? I see this thread titled Selecting a Breeder.....I don't see anything that remotely indicates that.

This is a great place to learn. If you want to learn, then please... listen. Listen to what they are telling you and learn from it. Nobody here will tell you it's ok to breed mixed breeds on purpose. FlDebra is exactly correct. She wasn't being mean, just being honest.

And Mardelin.... I think she was asking us to help her choose which one of her puppies she should keep as a breeder.

Thanks, someone else helped me figure it out. The title was a bit confusing. At any rate....just like me to think on another plane. Pups are much too young to even think about picking a breeding speciman, let alone them being a mixed breed.

No, sorry, but it does not make sense.. You cannot "better the breed"--the dogs are mutts, not recognized breeds, so there is nothing to "better." (Same can be said for the "line.")

To answer your question regarding which one should be kept for breeding--my answer would be NONE of them should be kept for the purposes of breeding them, for all the reasons that have already been mentioned.

Yes, people do come on here to ask questions and learn. And generally, people who have done their research and who are breeding with the purpose of adhering to the breed standard, they recieve a lot of support and helpful advice. However, when you are breeding without any regard for the breed (or in this case breedS) at all, then you generally will not have many people willing to support your cause and offer advice that would enable you to progress down the path that you are on.

I think it's safe to say that the majority of the breeders here who offer advice and help have spent years dedicating themselves to their dogs and to preservation of the Yorkie. Your practice goes against that, so it shouldn't be surprising that you are not receiving their praise, support and encouragement.

I appreciate all the feedback and I will agree that I have not thought of all of the points brought up here. Sorry my title was misleading, sorry if I offended anyone and I will take a step back and take more time to educate myself before I get into this.

Here's a couple of links that many of us have found useful in deciding whether we should breed, I'm sure many of us have considered the option, and not everyone has visited the pound and understands that literally millions of dogs are put to sleep each year because no one wants them. These links give reasons why you should breed as well as why it may not be a good idea for you. I urge you to read them, and you since they aren't directed specifically at you, you won't feel like feel the need to be defensive.

Breeding Your Dog

Dog Owner's Guide: Ten reasons to breed your dog

Just one more thing to think about. Reputable breeders have had oops breedings (mixed). However, the way they handle the placement of the offspring is spay/nuetering them and giving them away, not ever thinking of selling them.

That is great to hear--it's not always easy to admit that you may have gotten in a bit over your head and not thought things through as in depth as you had thought you had. Both you and your dogs will benefit from taking the time to more throughly research and plan. I am so glad that you were able to actually consider the advice being given and swallowing your pride to see how it applies to your own situation.

Very few actually do that it seems. :(

If you really are passionate about breeding, I would suggest that you take your time and approach it responsibly. Try to find an experienced breeder that will help you out while you learn.

Good luck.

I will absolutely consider the advice that has been given and appreciate it. I purchased my yorkie poo from a women who breeds yorkies, it was not something that she did on purpose. She bought a yorkie who was pregnant and did not know it. She has supported breeding my yorkie poo, though she does not breed them herself. When I talked about bettering the line what I was trying to say was eventually the poodle would be a very small contribution to this particular line. I guess I did not stop to think about all of the other things that go along with it. I will not breed these puppies and will do more research and when I feel confident in what I have learned I will then make a more informed decision as to whether or not breeding is something I wish to pursue. All but one of my puppies is spoken for and I will strongly suggest that the dogs be spayed/neutered. Emma had four puppies 3 girls, 1 boy, 2 girls and the boy are going and I will now be looking for a home for the 3rd girl. Maybe my question and my first breeding experience started out as a dumb one, but I have learned something from it.

They are very cute puppies, but as an owner of five Purebreed Yorkies, I must say SHAME ON YOU:thumbdown Continuing to breed for an outcome of mixed breed dogs makes no sense.:confused: You are in no way bettering the breed or line but you are adding to the overpopulation of mixed breeds, many of which end up at the pound. :eek: It's nice that you want to provide a puppy for disabled people. May I suggest that you get them a gift certificate to the local humane society so that they can give a puppy that is already here, a good loving home. A $100.00 girt certificate is alot cheaper than the $250.00 you say you will sell them for to recoup your costs.:(

I understood what you meant by improving your line, but from what I understand, even though you would continue to breed with nothing but yorkies in the future, the dogs aren't really ¼ something and ¾ something else. Genes are passed and dominant genes will show a trait even though the dog only gets that gene from one parent. For example, poodles have really curly hair, and Yorkies have straight hair, the curly hair gene is dominant, so every dog will inherent the curly hair, it may not be as curly as the Poodle's, but it will still not look like a Yorkies hair should look. If you breed these dogs to a straight hair yorkie, the offspring could inherited the curly hair gene again, and being dominant, it would show on the dog, so you might have to breed 10 litters to ever get rid of the kinky hair, and there are so many other traits to consider as well. At one time there just wasn't enough dogs to go around and mixing and trying to develop a new breed was fairly common, but this isn't really recommended anymore. It's best to start with the best examples of the breed you can find, and improve on that.

I've just got to say that I personally hate it when someone uses the term "shame on you". If you read the OP's replies, she has been very receptive to considering different opinions on the subject. I remember at one time, I didn't think mixing was such a bad idea, and in fact, all my pound puppies were mixed, and I thought they were adorable. However, when I learned more about the subject, I understood that mixing was a bad idea.

I first came to YT looking to become a breeder myself. I had ideas in my head on how it all worked and how easy and great it would be because I just knew the momma would just do it all. BOY WAS I WRONG!!!!! I would like to say I had an oops breeding but I knew my yorkie was in heat and I knew what would happen if she was around a male....so I take responsibility and say I uneducatedly (if it is even a word) allowed my yorkie to be near a male and they did tie once. I have since then learned a WEALTH of information and had a litter of 5 pups since then who are now 8 weeks old today. I have been blessed with a text book easy pregnancy, easy whelping, healthy puppies who are wonderfully beautifully text book yorkie puppies. My most difficult situations have been not knowing what the "bubble" was when whelping I had no clue (but thanks to Mardelin I am now educated) and I had an episode of puppy constipation (I thought it was a seizure) easily resolved with a $77 enema and prune juice. I CANNOT IMAGINE any type of truly tragic situation with my puppies or losing my momma.
I have spent the past 4 + months completely stressed out, financially draining, and extremely tired trying to do everything in my power to make sure I am doing right by Bella Mia and our puppies. Dont get me wrong I dont mind it one bit but it wasnt the easy simple momma does everything way I pictured in my head. That all being said I have decided I still have much to learn about breeding and I would still like to someday become a breeder. Until that time comes I will continue to learn everything I can about showing yorkies and finding a GREAT mentor and breeding correctly.
Do lots and lots of research and then I will do some more that is my attitude....when I am better educated I will have the knowledge to go along with my intrest.
Please do not feel stupid just learn from the wonderful information you have been given and do right by what you have learned.....the folks here give better, more detailed information than most any other source about yorkies. Please take the VALUEABLE educational part of what the ladies are telling you and go from there...GOOD LUCK!

Angela,

Yesterday I had a litter and not one presented a bubble, they just popped out......first time I ran across that one. Now what I did like about this group is that they all appeared head first......