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cj125 07-31-2009 04:36 PM
Mary, why would anyone need to use 3 kennel names?

Mardelin 07-31-2009 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 2733796)
Yes, it looks like the breeder is showing this dog to it's Championship but he'll be in Storybook's breeding program. :confused::confused::confused:
http://storybookyorkies.com/scoutspage.html

Dee, you know it looks like a lot of the old time show/breeders are mentoring or at least letting people purchase some their CH dogs. I thinks it's a way to continue their lines. Most of them are getting on in age and it sure would be a shame if their fabulous lines ceased to exist. I just hope that they're using good judgement on those that they're entrusting their lines to.
Connie,

In some transactions a breeder/exhibitor will sell a dog for the price of a show dog, but will have another price tacked onto it if the new owner wishes the breeder to finish it. Several exhibitors are doing this.

As with our breeder, who is getting on in years. I know there are conditions/provisions that she has made for the dogs. Some have people that they have mentored continue their lines.

Then there are others that have made provisions to spay/nueter and place them in wonderful pet homes.

Jay Amon/Montclair the name died with her. There are a few dogs out there with the Montclair name, but they are the last of the line. Johnnie Robinson's line went with him.

Mardelin 07-31-2009 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 2733808)
Mary, why would anyone need to use 3 kennel names?
I'lll PM you

Mardelin 07-31-2009 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by cj125 (Post 2733808)
Mary, why would anyone need to use 3 kennel names?
Well there is a very old time breeder that did a variation on her kennel name. The skuttle butt is that the dogs she really promoted she put such and such kennel name on them and the dogs that just weren't up to snuff, in her opinion, she put the other kennel name on them.

cj125 07-31-2009 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2733821)
Well there is a very old time breeder that did a variation on her kennel name. The skuttle butt is that the dogs she really promoted she put such and such kennel name on them and the dogs that just weren't up to snuff, in her opinion, she put the other kennel name on them.
Interesting....

Micah my love 07-31-2009 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by GAOMariposa (Post 2733394)
Thank you for the information. It seems like she's a great breeder, since she says she keeps the puppies until they're 7 months and then she said she wanted me to call her so she could talk to me personally. She did come off a bit harsh when she told me that. But I guess the wording was just a bit wrong.

How is it that one of her puppies was only $500, when that little girl I was looking at was $2500?

You're right, though...not everything in life is what it seems. I guess I should have known something was up when no one on YT had one of her puppies and no one seemed to know anything about her. Thanks again for the information. This is why I love to ask YTers everything.

The puppy that i saw was most definately a $500. baby, its new owner said the living conditions were absolutly filthy. and it did not look like the girl advertised that you liked. just take your time until you find someone that you feel you can trust. there are still some good people left
If you are looking for one to show i am sure that you can find a good show breeder on YT or if you are wanting a beautiful pet they can be found here to. I bet someone pm's you

I am not a show person but if i were younger i would give it a try, like some others on YT i raise a few litters a year and i have dogs from very good lines. no puppies at this time except one 2day old male
Good luck finding your little one.:)

GAOMariposa 07-31-2009 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Micah my love (Post 2733981)
The puppy that i saw was most definately a $500. baby, its new owner said the living conditions were absolutly filthy. and it did not look like the girl advertised that you liked. just take your time until you find someone that you feel you can trust. there are still some good people left
If you are looking for one to show i am sure that you can find a good show breeder on YT or if you are wanting a beautiful pet they can be found here to. I bet someone pm's you

I am not a show person but if i were younger i would give it a try, like some others on YT i raise a few litters a year and i have dogs from very good lines. no puppies at this time except one 2day old male
Good luck finding your little one.:)
Thank you for letting me and others who were also looking into this breeder know what to really expect. And there are great breeders out there. I'm confident I'll find my little girl. :p

Amazing Yorkies 08-01-2009 09:13 AM
Good Luck finding your baby girl! If you're wanting a pet, I think $2500 is a little high. That's more like a Show Prospect price. Micah (Betty) Thank you for posting about the living conditions of the $500 pup... Storybook has contacted me in the past for Show Prospects.

Mardelin 08-01-2009 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies (Post 2734558)
Good Luck finding your baby girl! If you're wanting a pet, I think $2500 is a little high. That's more like a Show Prospect price. Micah (Betty) Thank you for posting about the living conditions of the $500 pup... Storybook has contacted me in the past for Show Prospects.
Deb,

You live in the Midwest....and yes for quality pet there $2,500 is a bit high. However, East and West Coasts.....pretty much on the button from a reputable breeder, maybe a bit lower but, not much.

Amazing Yorkies 08-01-2009 11:34 AM
Thanks Mary!

blueskies 08-01-2009 02:17 PM
Just out of curiosity, would it be considered reputable if you let a puppy go around 12-14 weeks as a show "prospect" BUT held the registration papers and had the person pay "pet price" until the puppy was 6-8 months of age and could be better evaluated? Then at that time if the pup was determined to be show quality, the buyer could pay the additional amount and receive the registration papers (and receive a new show contract and what not). If not, the buyer would be required to spay/neuter and provide proof, then receive registration papers, or return to the breeder to have them do the same. I am new to all this so just wondering.

Mardelin 08-01-2009 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by blueskies (Post 2734786)
Just out of curiosity, would it be considered reputable if you let a puppy go around 12-14 weeks as a show "prospect" BUT held the registration papers and had the person pay "pet price" until the puppy was 6-8 months of age and could be better evaluated? Then at that time if the pup was determined to be show quality, the buyer could pay the additional amount and receive the registration papers (and receive a new show contract and what not). If not, the buyer would be required to spay/neuter and provide proof, then receive registration papers, or return to the breeder to have them do the same. I am new to all this so just wondering.
Not usually done that way. It's up to the breeder to do the evaluation and it should remain in the breeders house to be evaluated on an ongoing basis. There are other things to insuring a dog is show, that are the breeders responsibility. You don't begin training a dog at 6-8 months of age....it begins slowly as early as 8 weeks, with each pup in a litter getting the same training....until the pups are old enough to begin evaluation, usually the temperament is the first thing one begins with. By the time a person obtains a show dog, it is pretty much table trained, lead trained and the coat has already begun to be cultivated. It's not about the money, it's about our and the dogs reputation......they should be ready to go, other than the final test; how they take to the ring.

Amazing Yorkies 08-01-2009 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by blueskies (Post 2734786)
Just out of curiosity, would it be considered reputable if you let a puppy go around 12-14 weeks as a show "prospect" BUT held the registration papers and had the person pay "pet price" until the puppy was 6-8 months of age and could be better evaluated? Then at that time if the pup was determined to be show quality, the buyer could pay the additional amount and receive the registration papers (and receive a new show contract and what not). If not, the buyer would be required to spay/neuter and provide proof, then receive registration papers, or return to the breeder to have them do the same. I am new to all this so just wondering.
Not something I would agree to. If I was purchasing a Show prospect, that's what I would want. Why would someone want a possible pet, if they were looking for Show Prospect in the 1st place? I would be quickly looking elsewhere!

blueskies 08-02-2009 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2734802)
Not usually done that way. It's up to the breeder to do the evaluation and it should remain in the breeders house to be evaluated on an ongoing basis. There are other things to insuring a dog is show, that are the breeders responsibility. You don't begin training a dog at 6-8 months of age....it begins slowly as early as 8 weeks, with each pup in a litter getting the same training....until the pups are old enough to begin evaluation, usually the temperament is the first thing one begins with. By the time a person obtains a show dog, it is pretty much table trained, lead trained and the coat has already begun to be cultivated. It's not about the money, it's about our and the dogs reputation......they should be ready to go, other than the final test; how they take to the ring.
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Originally Posted by Amazing Yorkies (Post 2734805)
Not something I would agree to. If I was purchasing a Show prospect, that's what I would want. Why would someone want a possible pet, if they were looking for Show Prospect in the 1st place? I would be quickly looking elsewhere!
Thank you both. I will keep looking then. I am having trouble finding the best breeders out here. I might have to venture down the west coast to find the right mentor. ;)

Mardelin 08-02-2009 07:26 AM
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Originally Posted by blueskies (Post 2735492)
Thank you both. I will keep looking then. I am having trouble finding the best breeders out here. I might have to venture down the west coast to find the right mentor. ;)
There are great breeders up where you live.

Are you looking for a show dog? If so, how far along are you in your search? Are you new to the show world?

If your answer is yes. It's not the difficulty of not finding good breeders where your are, as there are many and many that I know on personal basis. The difficulty is that they will not release a show dog to a newbie.....it just isn't happening. Too many of these reputable breeders have been burnt in the past, their lines placed in hands where the only intention was to breed, they had no concern for the years of perfecting a line.


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