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Nancy1999 06-14-2009 08:18 AM
Anyone know Huddersfield Ben birthdate?
 
I've been doing a little reading on the history of the Yorkshire terrier, and there is one dog by the name of Hudderfield Ben who is said to be the father of the Yorkshire Terrier. While the breed didn't originate in Yorkshire, England, Ben, who lived there, is said to have been an excellent ratting dog, and although he was 9-12 pounds regularly sired stock that was able to compete in the under the 7 pound limit.

I thought it would be fun to celebrate his birthday, but all I can find is his day of death, September 23. Since so many of you have access to better books, I was hoping someone might have access to this information. Also, does anyone think there will be lots of arguments if I repeat the claim that he is indeed the "father" of the Yorkshire Terrier? I got my information from Wikepedia, although I've read other sources that say the same thing. Huddersfield Ben - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mardelin 06-14-2009 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2668755)
I've been doing a little reading on the history of the Yorkshire terrier, and there is one dog by the name of Hudderfield Ben who is said to be the father of the Yorkshire Terrier. While the breed didn't originate in Yorkshire, England, Ben, who lived there, is said to have been an excellent ratting dog, and although he was 9-12 pounds regularly sired stock that was able to compete in the under the 7 pound limit.

I thought it would be fun to celebrate his birthday, but all I can find is his day of death, September 23. Since so many of you have access to better books, I was hoping someone might have access to this information. Also, does anyone think there will be lots of arguments if I repeat the claim that he is indeed the "father" of the Yorkshire Terrier? I got my information from Wikepedia, although I've read other sources that say the same thing. Huddersfield Ben - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Even in my books all it states is whelped 1865 and died at the age of 6.

Mardelin 06-14-2009 08:39 AM
Back in 1865 – the year of Huddersfield Ben's birth – dogs were bred to exhibit useful qualities, not for their looks. There also was not much interest in keeping breeds pure. There are very few accurate records of dog breeding at this time. It is also thought that dog breeding was considered such a secret business that no records were kept for fear of the knowledge getting out to competitors. Yorkshire Terriers got their name because the breed was perfected in Yorkshire.

Nancy1999 06-14-2009 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2668780)
Back in 1865 – the year of Huddersfield Ben's birth – dogs were bred to exhibit useful qualities, not for their looks. There also was not much interest in keeping breeds pure. There are very few accurate records of dog breeding at this time. It is also thought that dog breeding was considered such a secret business that no records were kept for fear of the knowledge getting out to competitors. Yorkshire Terriers got their name because the breed was perfected in Yorkshire.
Right, that goes along with what I've been reading, but it also adds that he fathered many many dogs, and is said to be the father of the breed.

Here's a little more they say:
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Mr. and Mrs. M.A. Foster of Bradford, in West Yorkshire England, owned Huddersfield Ben. The dog was bred by Mr. W. Eastwood in the town of Huddersfield, England. [4] According to Ben's pedigree, he was linebred (the product of a mother-son pairing), as was his mother Lady. [5] Lady was the great-great-granddaughter of Mr. J. Swift’s Old Crab, a long coated black and tan terrier born around 1850. Old Crab and Old Kitty, a Paisley Terrier owned by J. Kershaw of Halifax, West Yorkshire England, are the earliest recorded predecessors to the Yorkshire Terrier.

Mardelin 06-14-2009 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2668796)
Right, that goes along with what I've been reading, but it also adds that he fathered many many dogs, and is said to be the father of the breed.

Here's a little more they say:
Yep, it goes on to say that the breed was perfected in Yorkshire, hence the Yorkshire Terrier.

Nancy1999 06-14-2009 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2668805)
Yep, it goes on to say that the breed was perfected in Yorkshire, hence the Yorkshire Terrier.
Yes, and he's from Yorkshire. I guess my point is - Do you think people would argue the idea that he is the "father" of the breed. I thought a little celebration might be in order, and a reminder that all our yorkies are related.

I also wasn't sure if people would be offended by celebration of the day of death, instead of the day of birth.

Mardelin 06-14-2009 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2668816)
Yes, and he's from Yorkshire. I guess my point is - Do you think people would argue the idea that he is the "father" of the breed. I thought a little celebration might be in order, and a reminder that all our yorkies are related.

I also wasn't sure if people would be offended by celebration of the day of death, instead of the day of birth.
I don't think anyone would argue the idea the he is considered the father of the breed. In most everything written about the Yorkshire Terrier it makes mention of that.

Nancy1999 06-14-2009 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2668830)
I don't think anyone would argue the idea the he is considered the father of the breed. In most everything written about the Yorkshire Terrier it makes mention of that.
Ok, thanks since I probably won't find his birth month date, do you think celebrating his "life" on September 23 would be acceptable? I appreciate your thoughts on this matter.

Mardelin 06-14-2009 09:12 AM
If you haven't go on to YTCA.org. Joan Gorden's History of the yorkshire terrier clearly writes alot about Ben

Nancy1999 06-14-2009 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mardelin (Post 2668846)
If you haven't go on to YTCA.org. Joan Gorden's History of the yorkshire terrier clearly writes alot about Ben
Yeah that was one of my sources, but it still didn't mention birth month.

Woogie Man 06-14-2009 09:18 AM
You can find the pedigree for Huddersfield Ben here.....

Ojibwa Yorkies

I know it doesn't answer your question, but is some additional info.

Mardelin 06-14-2009 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 2668866)
You can find the pedigree for Huddersfield Ben here.....

Ojibwa Yorkies

I know it doesn't answer your question, but is some additional info.
Pedigree is loosely written and doesn't make mention of his BD, just the year.

Mardelin 06-14-2009 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Nancy1999 (Post 2668858)
Yeah that was one of my sources, but it still didn't mention birth month.
I don't think that would be a problem.

Nancy1999 06-14-2009 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Woogie Man (Post 2668866)
You can find the pedigree for Huddersfield Ben here.....

Ojibwa Yorkies

I know it doesn't answer your question, but is some additional info.
Thanks, lol, it looks like the just added the word, "old" or "young" to name new dog. There's Old Dolly, Old Sandy, Old Crab, Old Kitty, and of course, "Young Dolly." Things have certainly changed a lot since then. :D

bjh 06-14-2009 09:40 AM
Nancy, do you have the book 'The Book Of The Yorkshire Terrier' by Joan McDonald Brearley? If you don't, I highly recommend it. It was written in 1984 but it has some great information on the history of the Yorkshire Terrier. It has lots of pictures of many of the older yorkies. It is amazing to go back and see how much the breed has changed. You can usually find the book on Ebay or Amazon.


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